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Christine Fair is more pakistani then pakistanis themselves i.e. the blatant liar.:emot15:

India in Afghanistan, part II: Indo-U.S. relations in the lengthening AfPak shadow

BY CHRISTINE FAIR, OCTOBER 27, 2010 Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 11:55 AM Share

Despite deepening security threats from both the Taliban and other Pakistan-based proxies operating against Indian personnel and institutions in Afghanistan, thus far India has remained committed to staying in Afghanistan. India has its own concerns about the ultimate settlement in Afghanistan given that such a political settlement will likely come about through some sort of a twinned process of reconciliation and reintegration of former Taliban fighters back into Afghanistan's political landscape.

Surely this will be a prominent matter of discussion when U.S. President Barack Obama undertakes a state visit to India next month. As one Indian commentator recently wrote:

The real criterion for measuring success [of the Obama visit] would lie in assessing whether or not the two leaders have reached consensus on defining the dangers that their, and other, countries face from the Af-Pak area and how they intend to tackle it. They must agree on a mechanism for arriving at such assessment and there is only one way of doing it. What is needed is a trilateral forum of consultations consisting of the U.S., India, and Afghanistan.

In some measure, India should be assured that the Obama administration's assessment of the "Pakistan challenge" more closely mirrors that of India than that of the Bush administration, which remained doggedly committed to its Panglossian assessments of Pakistani President Parvez Musharraf's various promises to contend with the terrorism menaces based in and from Pakistan. However, as Bob Woodward lays bare in Obama's Wars, while the Obama White House has a better appreciation of the challenges with Pakistan it lacks any significant strategy to contend with them.

Moreover, Obama has much to prove to the Indians following a shaky start. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton went to China first -- not India. Both Obama and Clinton made various statements attesting to the primacy of China in the U.S.'s Asia strategy. India was piqued by the Obama administration's lack of attention, having become habituated to the incessant wooing of the Bush administration, which urged the United States to alter its entire nonproliferation regime to accommodate the controversial Indo-U.S. civilian nuclear deal. The deal was important to Washington ostensibly to constrain China. Ashley Tellis, the architect of the deal, explained the importance of such a move in 2005:

If the United States is serious about advancing its geopolitical objectives in Asia, it would almost by definition help New Delhi develop its strategic capabilities such that India's nuclear weaponry and associated delivery systems could deter against the growing and utterly more capable nuclear forces Beijing is likely to possess by 2025.

Any U.S. retrenchment from this position on China would leave India exposed.

India continues to watch with concern as Washington continues to ply military assistance to Pakistan while remaining unable or unwilling to compel Pakistan to abandon militancy as a tool of foreign policy and to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure that has inflicted such harm upon India and other countries the region. Worse, India fears that Washington will provide funds and access to weapon systems that are more appropriate to target India than Pakistani insurgents. In the wake of the recently concluded U.S.-Pakistan strategic dialogue, more defense wares will be on their way to Pakistan. India's Defense Minister A.K. Antony summarized India's concerns during a September 2010 trip to Washington: "We feel that even though the U.S. is giving arms to Pakistan to fight terrorism, our practical experience is (that) it is always being misused. They are diverting a portion against India," Antony had said during his visit here.

Will India stay the course in Afghanistan? Planning for the "day after"

Obama's (largely misconstrued) announcement that U.S. troops will begin drawing down military forces from Afghanistan in a conditions-based fashion in July 2011 has been widely read as "sever and saunter," or perhaps even "cut and run" among Afghanistan's neighbors. The Obama administration's assurances that the United States will remain committed to Afghanistan's development and transition have had little palliative impacts upon these calculations. India is no exception. Obama's commitment to ending the military commitment to Afghanistan has triggered a vigorous domestic debate within India about its future role in Afghanistan.

Indians are right to worry about how they will continue their programs and initiatives in Afghanistan as the United States and other international military forces reconfigure their posture away from active military operations in the future. Indian personnel have been under steady attack in Afghanistan.

After the 2008 attack on India's Embassy in Kabul, the Indian Express ran a poignant editorial that captured this dilemma. The author wrote:

After the Kabul bombing, India must come to terms with an important question that it has avoided debating so far. New Delhi cannot continue to expand its economic and diplomatic activity in Afghanistan, while avoiding a commensurate increase in its military presence there. For too long, New Delhi has deferred to Pakistani and American sensitivities about raising India's strategic profile in Afghanistan.

Some Indian analysts have articulated an explicitly military option for India in Afghanistan. Dr. Subhash Kapila, writing in December 2009, explains, "India has wrongly shied away from a military commitment in Afghanistan for two major reasons. The first was the American reluctance to permit Indian military involvement in Afghanistan out of deference to Pakistan Army sensitivities. The second reason was the political and strategic timidity of India's political leadership who have yet to recognize that being a big power would involve shouldering military responsibilities to reorder in India's favor the security environment in South Asia." He argues that since the U.S. exit is a question of when not if, India must begin preparing extensive contingency planning for the "day after" of the U.S. exit from Afghanistan.

In August of 2008, Pragati (an online, independent Indian defense publication) dedicated an entire issue to debating whether or not India should send troops to Afghanistan. One author argued that India should expand its civilian effort as well as forge a military option. Shushant T. Singh, one of the contributors to that issue, explains, "A significant Indian military presence in Afghanistan will alter the geo-strategic landscape in the extended neighborhood, by expanding India's power projection in Central Asia."

Shanthie Mariet D'Souza, in the same issue of Pragati, urges India to stay the course and push to train Afghan National Security Forces over the objections of the United States, NATO, and Pakistan. At the other extreme are those who worry that the benefits of any Indian presence in Afghanistan are outweighed by the cost. (India has already been forced to expand its security forces' presence in Afghanistan to secure the civilian efforts underway.) Proponents of scaling back argue that India should do so when the United States and other coalition partners reduce their kinetic operations and retract their military footprints beginning in July 2011.

The stakes for India are higher than some may appreciate. India's efforts to shape the outcome in Afghanistan with its own security interests will be important evidence that India has what it takes to be a power of any consequence outside of South Asia -- much less globally. If India cannot effectively shape the course of events in its own "immediate neighborhood," how can it credibly lay claim to its great power aspirations at home or abroad?

Christine Fair is an assistant professor at Georgetown University and the author of Cuisines of the Axis of Evil and Other Irritating States. In part one of this post, she considered India's historical interests in Afghanistan.
 

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Shame that they have better gear then the average Indian soldiers...
 

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It's not. You don't know what you're talkin' about.






Are these the average gear for the Afghan army?

Because they look better then these.









 
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An Afghan National Army infantry trainee poses next to a .50-caliber machine gun at the Infantry Branch School Sept. 26, 2010. The school is where soldiers selected as infantry do their advanced training.

Afghan National Army infantry trainees learn about the .50-caliber machine gun at the Infantry Branch School Sept. 26, 2010. The school is where soldiers selected as infantry do their advanced training.

Afghan army soldiers dance to celebrate the Eid al-Fitr that marks the end of the holy fasting month of Ramadan at their combat outpost outside Salavat, Panjwaii district, south-west of Kandahar, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 10, 2010.


Afghan National Army infantry trainees learn about mortars at the Infantry Branch School Sept. 26, 2010. The school is where soldiers selected as infantry do their advanced training.
 

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NCO Battle Course


An Afghan National Army Infantry instructor shows his non-commissioned officer students how to move during their training, Oct. 25. The NCOs took part in the NCO Battle Course to learn anti-ambush techniques to further their knowledge.

Afghan National Army Infantry noncommissioned officers provide security after eliminating the ambush threat during their training, Oct. 25. The NCOs took part in the NCO Battle Course to learn anti-ambush techniques to further their knowledge

An Afghan National Army soldier plays the part of the ambusher as the Infantry Branch School non-commissioned officers take cover as they charge, Oct. 25. The NCOs took part in the NCO Battle Course to learn anti-ambush techniques to further their training.

Afghan National Army infantry non-commissioned officers train on the proper way to search an individual after the threat is eliminated during their training, Oct. 25. The NCOs took part in the NCO Battle Course to learn anti-ambush techniques to further their knowledge.

Afghan National Army infantry noncommissioned officers start their training by patrolling an area Oct. 25, 2010. The NCOs took part in the NCO Battle Course to learn anti-ambush techniques to further their knowledge.
 

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Are these the average gear for the Afghan army?

Because they look better then these.

First of all, no. These are not the normal gear for the Afghan army. What you're looking at are "photo troops".

These are the regular troops and the regular gear for the Afghan Army:






What you were looking at are specifically units of the ANA Corps <Commando units>.


Second of all, you've got your units for the Indian Army all mixed up. Not all of them are Army.

Specifically, the guys in the patka and green vest, as in the foreground of the first pic, are Rashtriya Rifles- which is a Central/Federal Paramilitary force.

Like these:




The guys rappelling down from the copter in the second pic, and most of the guys in the third pic are Army men.
 
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Kabul Military Training Center obstacle course


Sgt. Kayne Falconer, a member of the Australian army, instructs second lieutenants in the Afghan National Army on the proper way to setup a D-30 Howitzer. The second lieutenants are in the first few weeks of their artillery school class, and when they finish they will be artillery officers in the ANA.

A member of the Officer Candidate School for the Afghanistan National Army learns basic rifle marksmanship on a range at Kabul Military Training Center. The basic rifle marksmanship course was being instructed by members of the ANA and was beening overseen by members of the US and British Army.

A member of the Officer Candidate School for the Afghanistan National Army learns basic rifle marksmanship on a range at Kabul Military Training Center . The basic rifle marksmanship course was being instructed by Afghan instructors and was beening overseen by members of the US and British Army.

A member of the Afghan National Army attends a literacy class in Kabul Military Training Center. This class is designed to help members of the ANA with basic literacy skills.

An Afghanistan instructor directs Basic Warrior Trainees during Military Operations in Urban Terrain at Kubal Military Training Center. The class is being monitored by members of the 2nd Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division.

A member of Basic Warrior Training simulates throwing a hand grenade during an obstacle course at Kabul Military Training Center. The course involves many obstacles that make two men teams simulate throwing grenades and charging bunkers.

Members of Basic Warrior Training navigate through an obstacle course set up at Kabul Military Training Center. The obstacle course makes BWT students take cover behind obstacles, low crawl under wires, and climb walls to complete the course.

A member of the Officer Candidate School for the Afghanistan National Army learns basic rifle marksmanship on a range at Kabul Military Training Center. The basic rifle marksmanship course was being instructed by members of the ANA and was beening overseen by members of the US and British Army.

An Afghan instructor directs Basic Warrior Trainees during Military Operations in Urban Terrain at Kubal Military Training Center. The class is being monitored by members of the 2nd Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division.
 

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First of all, no. These are not the normal gear for the Afghan army. What you're looking at are "photo troops".
Specifically, the guys in the patka and green vest, as in the foreground of the first pic, are Rashtriya Rifles- which is a Central/Federal Paramilitary force.
@Rage,
Its True most of the pics are of AFGHAN COMMANDOS & SFs, But as there army is being supervised by foreign army`s they are getting modern day by day specially Infantry, ANA mordanisation is in good speed the more you get close to main cities like Kabul, Kandahar you will see ANA troops with M60s and M16s and it s not far when frontline troops will be using these mordern hardwares with RPD & AK-47s, Whereas In IA no one seriously considering any major up-gradation of Infantry, everyone looking for big tanks and Aircrafts, Regarding RR, Its Indian Army`s elite counter-terrorism fighting organization, Its relation with other forces like paramilitary and police is minimum..
 

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First of all, no. These are not the normal gear for the Afghan army. What you're looking at are "photo troops".

These are the regular troops and the regular gear for the Afghan Army:






What you were looking at are specifically units of the ANA Corps <Commando units>.


Second of all, you've got your units for the Indian Army all mixed up. Not all of them are Army.

Specifically, the guys in the patka and green vest, as in the foreground of the first pic, are Rashtriya Rifles- which is a Central/Federal Paramilitary force.

Like these:




The guys rappelling down from the copter in the second pic, and most of the guys in the third pic are Army men.
Alright, thanks for the info..

I still dont like the gear the Indian army is using then.

 

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Heres a Example of ANA regular troops near Kabul:

Afghan National Army (ANA) soldiers stands guard near the site of a plane crash east of the capital Kabul on October 13, 2010. The cargo plane operating on behalf of a US-based company crashed into mountains and burst into flames near the Afghan capital on October 12, killing all eight crew on board, officials said.












 

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Afghan Commandos, US Special Forces Clear Panjwa'i

A company of Afghan National Army Commandos conducts a clearing operation with soldiers from Special Operations Task Force - South Sept. 21, 2010, in the village of Chalgor, Panjwa'i District, Kandahar province, Afghanistan. The combined force conducted a clearing operation throught the town in order to stop insurgent freedom of movement and clear the town of improvised explosive devices to make a route safe for local villagers and coalition forces to travel














 

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Alright, thanks for the info..

I still dont like the gear the Indian army is using then.

@Rage,
Its True most of the pics are of AFGHAN COMMANDOS & SFs, But as there army is being supervised by foreign army`s they are getting modern day by day specially Infantry, ANA mordanisation is in good speed the more you get close to main cities like Kabul, Kandahar you will see ANA troops with M60s and M16s and it s not far when frontline troops will be using these mordern hardwares with RPD & AK-47s, Whereas In IA no one seriously considering any major up-gradation of Infantry, everyone looking for big tanks and Aircrafts, Regarding RR, Its Indian Army`s elite counter-terrorism fighting organization, Its relation with other forces like paramilitary and police is minimum..
Gentlemen,

While I agree that the modernization process in the Indian Army has been languishing for far too long, I also see that some progress has been made. Some of the units of the Naga regiment of of Division Central Command, for example have now all been equipped with Tavors, in addition to many of the soldiers in Jammu & Kashmir. And the new helmets seen in Indra-2010 are very different from the older patka and steel helmets, and very similar to the very cool Israeil OR-201. Therefore, modernization is well and truly underway and the benefits of it can now be seen, although it took far to long to get to.

Besides, the personal weapons in use by the soldiers in both the Armed forces are not nearly comparable. The Afghans rely on a bunch of Makharov semi-automatic pistols and a pile of AKM's and small quanty of AK-47's and -74's (in use with the Afghan Special forces, left over from the Soviet war in Afghanistan). While the Indians use the AK-103 and the INSAS, which despite all its drawbacks, is still inherently technologically superior. For all the stuff you hear about Indian officials pawning military-equipment and boots off on the sly, such stuff happens with even greater frequency in Afghanistan.

I want to stress very, very strongly, that I have nothing against our Afghan brethren. I want to see them grow and prosper. And a strong army is for them, just as important to me as a strong Army for us.
 
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Afghan Commandos and US Special Forces clear Kandahar


Afghan Commandos from 4th Commando Kandak pull security in Talukan Village, Oct. 30, during a clearing operation in the Panjwa'i District, Kandahar province, Afghanistan.

Afghan Commandos from 4th Commando Kandak move up a road in Talukan Village Oct. 30, during a clearing operation in the Panjwa'i District, Kandahar province, Afghanistan.

Service members from Special Operations Task Force - South review their maps during the pre-dawn hours of Oct. 30, in the village of Talukan, Panjwa'i District, Afghanistan. A combined force consisting of nearly 100 Afghan Commandos from 4th Commando Kandak, combat advised by a team from SOTF-S, were in the village to rid the area of insurgents, gather intelligence and neutralize any improvised explosive devices.

A U.S. Special Forces soldier searches a tree line for insurgent activity Oct. 30, in Talukan Village, Panjwa'i District, Afghanistan. A combined force consisting of nearly 100 Afghan Commandos from 4th Commando Kandak, combat advised by a team from Special Operations Task Force - South, went to the village to rid the area of insurgents and neutralize any improvised explosive devices.

Afghan Commandos from 4th Commando Kandak prepare to move into a compound during a clearing operation Oct. 30, in Talukan Village, Panjwa'i District, Afghanistan. A combined force consisting of nearly 100 Afghan Commandos, combat advised by a team from Special Operations Task Force - South, went to the village to rid the area of insurgents and neutralize any improvised explosive devices.

An Afghan Commando from 4th Commando Kandak waits to board a helicopter before dawn Oct. 30, en route to Talukan village, Panjwa'i District, Afghanistan. A combined force consisting of nearly 100 Afghan Commandos, combat advised by a team from Special Operations Task Force - South, went to the village to rid the area of insurgents and neutralize any improvised explosive devices.

An Afghan Commando from 4th Commando Kandak waits to board a helicopter before dawn Oct. 30, en route to Talukan village, Panjwa'i District, Afghanistan. A combined force consisting of nearly 100 Afghan Commandos, combat advised by a team from Special Operations Task Force - South, went to the village to rid the area of insurgents and neutralize any improvised explosive devices.

An assault force consisting of nearly 100 Afghan Commandos from 4th Commando Kandak, combat advised by a team from Special Operations Task Force – South, wait to board helicopters Oct. 30, en route to Talukan village, Panjwa'i District, Afghanistan.


An Afghan Commando from 4th Commando Kandak pulls security in Talukan Village, Oct. 30, during a clearing operation in the Panjwa'i District, Kandahar province, Afghanistan.
 

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India, Afghanistan to sign mining agreement soon


India and Afghanistan are set to take up their economic engagement to a new level as the war ravaged nation has invited India to explore and mine its large mineral deposits, reports CNBC-TV18's Rituparna Bhuyan quoting sources.


Initially, the Afghani mineral resources were estimated at around USD 1 trillion. Now it turns out that the reserves are actually worth 3 times that initial estimate and have been presently valued at around USD 3.3 trillion. Sources have told CNBC-TV18 that being a strategic partner, Afghanistan is now actually looking at India to formalize an agreement for cooperation on mining through which Indian companies can go to Afghanistan and mine Afghani mineral resources.


India and Afghanistan will soon be signing an MoU on this and Afghani Mines Minister Wahidullah Shahrani is already in India and has had talks with the Mines Minister B K Handique and Commerce Minister Anand Sharma.

India already has an advantage in this regard as the Geological Survey of India already has maps of the region. Sources said that the Geological Survey of India as well as officials from the Indian Bureau of Mines will be going to Afghanistan in April after the winter is over.


Moreover, executives from Hindustan Copper Limited are also likely to visit the war ravaged country to assess the copper reserves in that nation. Sources said that Indian interest in that country includes huge reserves of copper, iron ore, gold, uranium and lithium deposit.

What remains to be seen here is that if India is able to have a first mover advantage in the region as other resource hungry nations will be vying for the same resources as well.



India, Afghanistan to sign mining agreement soon: Sources - CNBC-TV18 -
 

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