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i wrote this long time ago, thought i would share here and make my point.


TRADITIONAL APPROACH TO FIRE ASSAULTS BY ARTILLERY


HOW IT IS DONE

Because artillery is an indirect fire weapon, A FORWARD OBSERVER (FO) is employed. He must take up a position where he can observe the target using binoculars and laser rangefinders etc and call back fire missions on his radio.
The FO sends map references and bearing to target, a brief target description, a recommended munitions to use, and any special instructions such as "danger close" (the warning that friendly troops are within 600 meters of the target when using artillery, requiring extra precision from the guns).
The FO and the battery basically "walk" the fire onto the target.The FDC (FIRE DIRECTION CONTROL) calculates the CFF (CALL FOR FIRE) and send a deflection and elevation to the gun line. The gun line cranks the specified elevation and deflection on the howitzers and gets ready to fire.

FIG 5: PICTORIAL PRESENTATION OF THE WORKING OF ARTILLERY CALL FOR FIRE PROCESS

Also when the guns have fired the FDC signals the FO and the FO observes the fall of shell. He then signals corrections. These are normally of the form of left/right of the bearing line and distance along it, for example "right 50 add 100" (distance in meters). When the fire is good enough the FO signals "TARGET ON, FIRE FOR EFFECT”. If the mission requires a walking barrage he may continue sending correction orders.

MODERN APPROACH TO FIRE ASSAULTS BY ARTILLERY

HOW IT IS DONE

DIGITAL FIRE SUPPORT OFFICER (FSO)

Major armies around the world are embracing the concept of Digital Fire Support Officer (Originally co-developed by Elbit and the IDF’s Ground Forces Command) which is modern analogue of the traditional FORWARD OBSERVER (FO) to designate targets for infantry and fire battalions.
Instead of sending in FORWARD OBSERVERS, TACTICAL UAVs are used to create targets and also to direct fire. With network-enabled UAVs to replace traditional FORWARD OBSERVERS to direct fire from artillery guns and rocket systems, artillery will be in a position to share in operations formerly reserved for air-power.
Also instead of completely replacing the FORWARD OBSERVER, the DIGITAL FIRE SUPPORT OFFICER can work in tandem with the FO. It becomes the extended eye in the sky for the FO.
In addition to near precision like standoff attacks against fixed targets, combined arms warfare involving infantry, artillery and other platforms will be able to deal with time-sensitive moving targets at distances ranging from 10 to 40 kilometers.

FOR THE PRESENT AND FUTURE INDIAN SCENARIO IT IS HIGH TIME TO INCLUDE AND UTILIZE UAVs ALONG WITH NECESSARY SUPPORT SYSTEMS TO SERVE AS A DIGITAL FIRE SUPPORT OFFICER ALONE OR IN TANDEM WITH THE TRADITIONAL HUMAN FORWARD OBSERVERS FOR BETTER COMBINED ARMS WARFARE. (if not already done)
it is just a amateurish view so plz bear with me :scared1:

determined rebels in Ukraine out to prove my point of view :biggrin2: with commercial UAV
thank you all Mr.rebels :biggrin2:
 
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Will be meeting an old school friend this weekend artillery major, do let me know if there are any questions will try and ask him things which are obviously non classified.
 

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Will be meeting an old school friend this weekend artillery major, do let me know if there are any questions will try and ask him things which are obviously non classified.
there are lot of talks about guns, kindly do ask him if there is any plan for smart ammunition too.............
 

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Will be meeting an old school friend this weekend artillery major, do let me know if there are any questions will try and ask him things which are obviously non classified.
Please ask him about Pinaka Mk-2 trails status and excalibur, Indian carbines - MSMC status.
 

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Indian Army set to acquire Artillery Guns, Finally







New Delhi. The Government has finally decided to go ahead with the acquisition of 145 M777 Ultra Light Howitzers (ULH) from BAE Systems, US, and also induction of an indigenously upgraded version of the Swedish Bofors FH 77 Field Howitzer whose purchase in the 1980s had created allegations of corruption and cast a jinx on the Indian Artillery by politicians.

The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), the highest decision making body of the Ministry headed by the Defence Minister, cleared the process for acquiring the guns at a meeting in New Delhi on June 25.

It is after 30 years now that the Indian Army’s efforts to replace its ageing guns have got a hope.

Notwithstanding the allegations of corruption, the Bofors FH 77 was a great gun and proved its worth in the 1999 Kargil War when it delivered three rounds per minute with precision strike on Pakistani positions up to 29 km away. VP Singh, who had led the campaign to replace Rajiv Gandhi as Prime Minister in the 1980s, had described it as “a poor quality gun which fires backwards and kills own troops”. He did succeed Rajiv Gandhi but thanks to the intensity of the campaign against Bofors, no government was able so far to take a decision to renew the Army’s inventory of artillery weapons.

Headed by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, the DAC also gave clearance for indigenous production of the Dhanush gun, which is based on the designs supplied by the Swedish company 30 years ago. The Dhanush, being developed by Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), will be an upgraded variant though, and has been tested in trials to the Army’s satisfaction.

The M777 is being purchased in a $750 million deal with the US Government under its Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme. The US Army will coordinate the supplies with the Indian Army.

BAE Systems, which manufactures the gun, will supply 25 guns directly, and the remaining under progressive assembly in India in collaboration with the Mahindra group.

Diplomatic paperwork between the two Governments like Letter of Request (LOR) and Letter of Acceptance (LOA) is under process.

Being light, the M777 will be ferried to high altitude locations. The gun can easily be carried by Chinook helicopters that the Indian Air Force (IAF) is acquiring from the US Boeing.

http://www.indiastrategic.in/Indian_Army_Set_to_Acquire_Artillery_Guns_Finally.htm
 

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there are lot of talks about guns, kindly do ask him if there is any plan for smart ammunition too.............
His unit is basically armed with the 105mm IFG, there is no talk of smart ammo on these guns or for 105mm medium gun units. For perspective there are some 200 105MM gun units in the IA, each armed with 18 guns.

There is action on smart ammo for 155mm guns however,the exact staus is known only to those unit commanders.

Please ask him about Pinaka Mk-2 trails status and excalibur, Indian carbines - MSMC status.
As a tube arty officer he has little or no information on rocket arty units.
his men are armed with the INSAS, arty men get new guns only after infantry units.
 

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For 1800 towed guns we should go totally indigenous

1000 DRDO atags
400 ofb ( Bofors ) based 155 / 52 Cal
400 kalyani ( own developed - no foreign jv ) 155/ 52 Cal
 

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I think Indian Army is heading from situation of having too few guns to Sabzi Mandi of Guns. Why cant they finalze on one Gun platform and then adapt to various versions, Be it Towed, SP, Tracked etc?
 

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I think Indian Army is heading from situation of having too few guns to Sabzi Mandi of Guns. Why cant they finalze on one Gun platform and then adapt to various versions, Be it Towed, SP, Tracked etc?
Different guns for different operational requirements...
Your point is valid if everybody was making the same calibre and barrel length, but that is not the case...
 

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Different guns for different operational requirements...
Your point is valid if everybody was making the same calibre and barrel length, but that is not the case...
sorry I should have mentioned. My comment was meant for 155 L 52 version
 

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For 1800 towed guns we should go totally indigenous

1000 DRDO atags
400 ofb ( Bofors ) based 155 / 52 Cal
400 kalyani ( own developed - no foreign jv ) 155/ 52 Cal
But there has to be a JV for Kalyani otherwise they will never be able to move up the value chain. Also their share has to be increased to at least 700 to make it economical. The 400 OFB + 1000 ATAGS would give too much to Defence PSU with not much for privatization of MIC. Focus of OFB should be on things that can simply not be done by private industry without our exchequer bankrupted. So possibilities of increased requirements during war time should be met by Defence PSU otherwise the private sector will cost too much. For Defence PSUs this is justifiable also since they are running on public money and no risk basis.

Towed Arty is one the best places to start privatization.
 

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For 1800 towed guns we should go totally indigenous

1000 DRDO atags
400 ofb ( Bofors ) based 155 / 52 Cal
400 kalyani ( own developed - no foreign jv ) 155/ 52 Cal
No , Kalyani light weight gun shall be better. For 155 mm, we should go for Dhanush and TATA. For light utility gun, we should go for kalyani.
 

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Any new design is looking at no less than 6 -10 years of trail and error ..

Give Dhanush manufacturing to TATA or L&T besides just OFB and you will have numbers ..

45cal is gud enough, Just increase production rate ..
 

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While ultra-light weight howitzers cannot be avoided but they have limited utility for us. Artillery regiment needs much more then just the barrel with a chassis under it to do its work. You could move the M-777 or the Kalyani Ultra Light weight howitzer with a helo. But you cannot move shells, charges, consumables, crew and fuel for the helo into the Himalayas using a helo. Unless off course, you are planning on fighting like ChooAssAey.

For the Chinese however it makes excellent sense to use an ultra light weight howitzer since they can simply drive right upto the Indian border and transporting these ultra light weight howitzers would be very easy in the Tibet bound railway line.

http://www.janes.com/article/62341/china-completes-development-of-155-mm-ah4-howitzer
China completes development of 155 mm AH4 howitzer
Christopher F Foss, London
- IHS Jane's International Defence Review
18 July 2016

NORINCO states that the AH4 has a combat weight of 4,500 kg, including its hydro-pneumatic suspension that enables the weapon to be deployed in firing position within three minutes and returned to its towed position in two minutes.

The AH4's elevation and traverse limits are almost identical to the M777 at -3 to 72° and 22.5° respectively.

It is operated by a crew of seven and when travelling the AH4 is towed by its muzzle.

A maximum range of 25 km can be achieved when firing the 155 mm Extended-Range Full-Bore Hollow-Base High-Explosive (ERFB-HB/HE) projectile.

The range can be extended to 30 km if the ERFB-Base Bleed/HE is employed. The weapon can engage targets out to 40 km with the latest ERFB-BB-Rocket Assist/HE projectile, although this may result in a loss of accuracy.

NORINCO has confirmed that the AH4 is also capable of firing its expanded family of 155 mm precision-guided munitions (PGMs). These include the latest 155 mm laser-guided projectile (LGP) GP6, which has a maximum range of 25 km with a first round hit probability of 90% and is capable of engaging stationary and moving targets.

This is a follow-on to the earlier 155 mm GP1 LGP and is claimed to have a higher resistance to jamming. Its multiple laser coding technology enables co-operative multi-target engagement.
 

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