Indian Army Armored Vehicles

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Appreciate the info.

I guess they're most likely further developing the Deutz derived Greaves cotton industrial unit into a proper military grade tank engine, just like the Argentineans did with their clones of the same engine.
 

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These are ERA protected T 72M1 at LAC operating at sub zero temperature. For a long time Army stressed on ATGM teams, light Armor (AMX 13 and BMP 2), Mechanized infantry and even Anti Tank Guns BS 3 (M 1944) to counter Chinese threat.

Only recently they have started deploying these heavy Armor apart from dedicated firing Range for Tank Warfare at High Altitude. New tanks shelters are being build up too.


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Jindal Steel to make high nitrogen steel for DRDO

he Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Jindal Stainless (Hisar) Limited (JSHL) on Wednesday inked a licence deal for manufacturing High Nitrogen Steel for armour applications.

The agreement was signed in the presence of Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre and DRDO Chairman S. Christopher.

Calling the development of the specific kind of metal, an outstanding achievement, Bhamre said: "I am glad that DMRL (Defence Metallurgical Research Laboratory) has given a very important and strategic material -- high nitrogen steel."

"I also congratulate the Jindal Stainless Steel for initiating to partner with the DRDO in their concerted efforts to optimise lab technique versus industry scale production," he added.



The DMRL is the lead DRDO laboratory for researching complex metals and materials required for modern sophisticated warfare weapons systems.

Speaking on the occasion, JSHL Vice Chairman Abhyuday Jindal said: "We are extremely pleased with this development and we believe HNS will immensely benefit the Indian Defence sector, going forward."

"The hard-work and perseverance of 10 years of JSHL with Ministry of Defence has culminated in a fantastic result for the country in line with Prime Minister Narendra Modi's vision of Make in India."

"It paves way for development of specific application of HNS in the context of the Army's ongoing and futuristic modernisation programmes," he said.

Informing on the status of the industralisation of the manufacturing of the HNS steel, Jindal said: "Jindal Steel has already optimised manufacturing process at industry level. We are at 'take-off' stage for further development and commercialisation of technology to product-specific applications."

HNS has potential application in all armoured vehicles, including Infantry Combat Vehicles (ICV), Main Battle Tank (MBT), Future Ready Combat Vehicles (FRCV), and Aviation and Naval systems.

--IANS

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Source : http://www.business-standard.com/ar...h-nitrogen-steel-for-drdo-117030100560_1.html
 

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Some where near Longawala ..


At test facility ..

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Field maintenance and repair vehicles which can keep up with any Armoured thrust ..



Advance simulator modules in service both for mobility and firepower..
 

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Only recently they have started deploying these heavy Armor apart from dedicated firing Range for Tank Warfare at High Altitude. New tanks shelters are being build up too.


I frankly don't get the idea behind placing heavy armour at high altitude, unless ofcourse, it's from the reserve forces. There's no comprehensive retreat policy in place. I mean, you can't assume that we'd always have the offensive advantage. What if they're forced to retreat? There's absolutely no way you can move heavy armour out quickly enough incase the tide turns against them. Even airlifting the tanks would take a whole lot longer than lifting out light armour or howitzers. The mountain passes would turn into major obstacles the the tanks just sitting ducks, either all killed or captured. Stuck between a rock and a hard place, quite literally.
 

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Bonus picture : India`s own 1500hp tank engine, Its no longer in design phase but prototyping already ..

It could quite possibly be a 1500kw (2000hp) motor, gross rating. All good tank engine are tested that way.Bombed to max, and then detuned to ensure that it runs reliably and has a longer service life.

Think of it as a weigh lifter training with 500kgs at the bench, and then asking him to only lift a mere 100kgs all the time. It'll be a piece of cake for him to do that.


Besides, they need to keep future requirements in mind too. All the R&D goes to waste if they'll have to design a new motor because the old one can't keep up.
 

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I frankly don't get the idea behind placing heavy armour at high altitude, unless ofcourse, it's from the reserve forces. There's no comprehensive retreat policy in place. I mean, you can't assume that we'd always have the offensive advantage. What if they're forced to retreat? There's absolutely no way you can move heavy armour out quickly enough incase the tide turns against them. Even airlifting the tanks would take a whole lot longer than lifting out light armour or howitzers. The mountain passes would turn into major obstacles the the tanks just sitting ducks, either all killed or captured. Stuck between a rock and a hard place, quite literally.


Chinses have deployed a mix of light and Medium Tanks on their side facing India so Indian forces need their own Mechanized assets besides there are several areas on LAC which support Tank Warfare.
 

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When will the active protection system come for our tanks ? Have inducted T-90's more than 10 years back.
 

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Chinses have deployed a mix of light and Medium Tanks on their side facing India so Indian forces need their own Mechanized assets besides there are several areas on LAC which support Tank Warfare.



I agree with that. It's only that I believe the risk factor is just way to high, and you end up either taking it all or loosing it all, depending upon whether you have the tactical advantage, or if it runs out.

Take the Punjab borders for instance, the Pakistani armour suffered badly when they picked the paddy season for a full frontal armoured attack, and their Pattons just bogged down in the muck. They ended up as nothing but sitting ducks, and left the crew to choose between fight or fright. This accidental tactic was taken advantage of by the Indian army and improvised further, to be used once again against the Pakistani armour, when the canals were purposely breached and the battlefield flooded, and the Pattons suffered the same fate all over again.
Now, it is preety obvious that incase of another war, both sides are going to be extremely wary of being the first ones to shove medium to heavy tanks into that terrain, for this same tactic is sure to be used against them. Once stuck, there's absolutely no where for them to manoeuvre anymore, and no way to retrieve the tanks either. Lighter armour may still suffice better, and still be able to get around, but only as long as the muck is not so goey (it's clay soil, afterall) that the tracks bite down deeper into the muck until the belly comes into contact with the surface, unless ofcourse a vehicle is retrofitted with wider tracks to increase the footprint of the vehicle, so that the ground pressure remains below where the don't bite into the surface (kind of like what those ski-slope plowers with their ultra wide, low ground pressure tracks).

In the mountainous terrian, though different, the tanks could possibly end up with the same scenario, considering that there's usually only one road connecting to these areas; just one corridor to move in or move out, and nowhere to go that if route is taken out. Moreover, the steep slopes are rather landslide prone too, so it could take no more than one hit to take the road out, and corner the entire division.
 

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The decision to deploy tanks to build up India’s light, mountain infantry divisions was taken due to doctrinal changes in China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA). The PLA has deployed armoured and motorised formations in both their military regions across the Line of Actual Control ..

According to the International Institute of Strategic Studies, Lanzhou Military Region, which faces Ladakh, has 220,000 PLA troops, including an armoured division and two motorised infantry divisions (a division has three brigades). The Chengdu Military Region, opposite India’s north-eastern states, has some 180,000 PLA troops, including two armoured brigades and four motorised infantry divisions.

The Ladakh-based 14 Corps will be allocated an armoured brigade to cover the flat approaches from Tibet towards India’s crucial defences at Chushul. In the Sino-Indian war of 1962, six vintage AMX-13 tanks that the Indian Army had airlifted to Chushul inflicted serious losses and delay on the advancing Chinese.

The second armoured brigade will be located in the Siliguri corridor in Bengal, covering the approaches from Sikkim to the plains. One regiment will be located on the flat, 17,000-feet-high North Sikkim plateau, on which border areas are hotly disputed between China and India.

From source : http://www.business-standard.com/ar...es-to-defend-china-border-112091702018_1.html

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India is operating tanks in these areas from late 80s, The first were few AMX then T-55s and BMP-2 and now T-72M1s, I am sure with given time they have their plans for tactical retreats and counter attacks at those terrains ..

In the mountainous terrian, though different, the tanks could possibly end up with the same scenario, considering that there's usually only one road connecting to these areas; just one corridor to move in or move out, and nowhere to go that if route is taken out. Moreover, the steep slopes are rather landslide prone too, so it could take no more than one hit to take the road out, and corner the entire division.
 

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Yeah, I guess they don't have much of a choice either ways. They need to counter armour with armour. Though, the Chinese are much better equipped when it comes to a retreat scenario; a better infrastructure network with multiple road connectivity, and even railroad network, besides better air-lifting facilities.
 

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