India’s elite anti-terror force NSG plans to go hi-tech

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    India’s elite anti-terror force NSG plans to go hi-tech

    New Delhi, June 12
    India's elite anti-terror force, the National Security Guard (NSG), is planning to acquire the technology and equipment used by the United States Navy Seals in the operation that killed Osama Bin Laden, the most wanted man in the world.

    The technology had enabled US President Barack Obama to watch the live footage of the Al-Qaida leader being shot in the head. The footage was taken from a camera attached to the helmet of a Navy Seal. The Seals are Special Operations Force of the US.

    Taking a cue from the operation, codenamed "Neptune Spear", that took place in Abbottabad, Pakistan, on May 1, 2011, the NSG has now planned to use the same technology for their Special Force operations as well. The state-of-the-art equipment includes voice-data-video transfer, "mesh variety" communication devices, health-monitoring system, and body and head armour that is capable of protecting a man from the bullets fired from an AK-47 rifle. All these technologies have been integrated to form the "Future Black Cat Commando System".

    The system is presently under consideration by the government. The NSG will soon have a "test bed" to check the functioning of the system, which will be done by a "hit" (a squad of six to seven commandos) right up to the highest level of the top-level commanders.

    In a "hit," each troop will be equipped with a computer. The helmets have night vision goggles, which also have a night-vision camera that can be switched on or off. "The computer will send the live camera footage to the command centre via a commercial satellite. The commanders, who are monitoring the "hit," can change the plans of an operation in real time," said an official.

    This will also allow commanders sitting at the command centre to pass orders directly to the "hit" as well as receive requests from the commandos through the latest communication system called the "mesh or gridded variety".

    "The mesh variety allows the commandos of different "hits" to communicate simultaneously with each other and their commanders sitting thousands of miles away. They all are on the same radio channel. It is like a conference call over a telephone that will enable coordination of effort in case there are more than one "hit" operating. The radio devices that are presently with the NSG allows only one person to communicate at a time," explained the official.

    A mesh variety radio is attached to a commando's uniform. The radio is connected by a wire to the headphones and a mouthpiece close to the jaw. The communication device uses the bone conduction technology, which is the conduction of sound to the inner ear through the skull bones. "They will allow hands-free operations enabling the commando to fire his weapon even while communicating," said the official.

    The video transfer and the communication devices have been approved by the government for digital secrecy, implying that a conversation cannot be monitored or the system penetrated. "Messages being passed on the present radio handsets with the NSG can be intercepted easily. So radio silence or restricted conversation has to be maintained when the enemy is nearby," said sources.

    The future commando system will also use the state-of-the-art "level-3 alpha" helmet and body armour, capable of taking the hits from the 7.62 mm bullets of the AK-47 assault rifle. The Glock pistols and MP5s, the two primary weapons of the NSG, will also be equipped with the latest sights.

    The commandos will also have a health-monitoring system in the form of a wrist band. "It monitors the vital organs such as the heart and the brain. The commanders will have a monitoring system, which will show if a commando has been killed or is still alive," said the sources.

    Bharat Electronics Limited has been tasked to procure the equipment. "The system is in a good stage of development. Until now, we have tested individual pieces. After the "test bed," there will be further trials. Once the trials are complete, the entire NSG force will be equipped with it," informed the official.

    Future Commandos​

    • The state-of-the-art equipment includes voice-data-video transfer, “mesh variety” communication devices, health-monitoring system, and body and head armour that is capable of protecting a man from the bullets fired from an AK-47 rifle
    • The NSG will soon have a “test bed” to check the functioning of the system, which will be done by a “hit” (a squad of six to seven commandos)
    • In a “hit”, each troop will be equipped with a computer. The helmets have night vision goggles, which also have a night-vision camera that can be switched on or off


    The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Nation
     
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    To be able to maintain such a force with hi-tech equipment the force will need to be downsized radically up to 500 operators may be more realistic figures.
     
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    One of the foreign company makes it and SPG already have that kind of radio, not mash kind, but good enough. I saw that in one of the security expo.

    These things sound good but dont know how much practial it is. May be good with one or two guys. Giving it to all and suddenly you will lost focus of what your main objective is.
     
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    even an average joe is hi-tech with his android phone and internet connection, give the force some force multiplier.
     
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    But AFAIK, cellular wireless (mobile) communication is supposed to be the least secure medium of communication, & can be intercepted easily by anyone with necessary expertise & tools.
     
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    Don't like the part about the commercial satellite. That's not prudent.
     
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    Yes, a 10000 (!) men elite force is ridiculous.
     
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    In Indian context ? No, its not. It makes complete sense. The men at helm know better.

    Think about it.
     
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    Adding few more points, the training need to be improved specially house to house, hostage recuse ops..

    The Israeli team which trained the force one also should be called for NSG..

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    About the hardware specially the gear is available in India from Indian companies which manufacture products from latest vest to best plates and bolt-less helmets, If we are look outside consider this is a scam..
     
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    As far as the headgear is concerned, the newer Patka is still the preferred helmet for COIN ops, and even in urban warfare among the fighting forces, including the MARCOS and Para SF in Kashmir. It might be considerably heavier than your standard American Kevlar helmet, but it is also the only one with enough protection to stop a 7.62x39 round from 15 meters. Unmatched in frontal protection anywhere.

    As for the rest of the Body Armour, TATA makes BJs for American Law enforcement agencies, and have even supplied the Iraqi and Afgan forces (under a US tender), and these have proved their worth in combat. TATA has repeatedly said that they are ready to supply to the IA, the IN or the local police. What they have asked for is the price the GOI will be willing to shell out for one soldier's protection. TATA has protection gear all the way upto $40,000 per trooper complete with extra padding, extra ceramic inserts, side inserts, knee guards.

    Simple fact, you get what you pay for.

    You have a rather strange situation, the MoD when wants to purchase a BJ from a foreign vendor they are ready to accept the quoted price. But when it comes to desi companies, they want the same level protection at less than 1/2 the price of the foreign vendor....and thus you end up with a poorly protected soldier.
     
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    we have such a big country by the time you ask for your 500 men squad as it happen in Mumbai terror attack, lot of damage will be done. 100 NSG from Delhi took more then 24 hours, in this type of situation every second counts.
     
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    100% true. Know it for a fact. Further, the replacements/substitutes offered/evaluated simply do not match up.
     
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    Thats 10000 men from a population of 1.2+ billion, thats actually a good number. We get 15,000 people who show up to take part in a regular army recruitment day. Offcourse, we are a large country, 10000 out of 1.2 billion i.e 1 in 120000 people that actually very unique. Just because we have more people in an elite unit doesn't mean they got there because of lower training standards, anyone or everyone who has ever attended a full course at IMA or anyone of our elite schools comes out with tremondous praise and adminiration for skills and knowledge imparted on them.

    The average SF unit anywhere would find it hard to cope in some of the areas where our boys play everyday.
     
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    Russia Premier counter terror force is ALFA and guess what force is estimated to be 700 operatives
     
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    So ? How many we need ?
     
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    Our forces lack firepower, so we have increase manpower..

    This may change in coming days..

     
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    See reason firepower was lacking is due to the large force size.

    A force is considered elite when training, weapons and only the very best are in it.

    The approach at its debut had shortcomings a lean and efficient fighting force is required, to be supplemented by second tier rapid reaction force in each states
     
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    Sorry, don't understand your view..

    I will try to repeat :

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    We use larger forces to get in same level of firepower of a small western force..

    We have our tactics which are very efficient used by RR, And insurgency is very limited now..

    But our clinical ops don't have the clarity as western ops of similar situation..

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    Western Ideology center at small hi-tech forces with large firepower including heavy arty and air strike..

    Often result collateral damage on mass scale..

    But there house to house cleaning and hostage recuse drills are better than us..

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    @Ray Sir can shed some more light..

    Thnx..

     
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