India needs to take out terror targets in Pakistan

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by Sridhar, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. Sridhar

    Sridhar House keeper Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2009
    Messages:
    3,473
    Likes Received:
    1,015
    Lashkar founder Mohammad Sayeed and 26/11 attacks accused Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi must be neutralised one by one if Pakistan does not act against them, says Brigadier Gurmeet Kanwal (retd).
    Click here!

    Ajmal Kasab [ Images ], the sole terrorist arrested during the 26/11 terror strikes in Mumbai [ Images ], has finally been hanged. But he was only a foot soldier of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba [ Images ], a fundamentalist organisation that continues to launch acts of terror on Indian soil.

    Despite the voluminous evidence presented to Pakistan, President Asif Ali Zardari's [ Images ] government has failed to satisfactorily meet India's demands for either effectively putting on trial the masterminds of the Mumbai terror strikes or handing them over to face justice in India.

    Peace is undeniably important, but not if the cost is a continuing proxy war in Jammu and Kashmir [ Images ] and terrorism in other parts of India, being sponsored from across the border by organisations over which the Pakistan government claims it has no control.

    Since all other options have been exhausted, the Government of India must consider viable military and covert options to send a strong message to the Pakistan army [ Images ] and the Inter Services Intelligence that India's threshold of tolerance has been crossed and enough is enough, especially if a similar incident recurs.

    Military options include raids across the Line of Control [ Images ] on the leadership and training camps of the Lashkar, the Jaish-e-Mohammed and the Hizbul Mujahideen [ Images ] by Special Forces, the destruction of the Pakistan army's posts on the Line of Control and its logistics installations in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir by heavy doses of artillery fire and the precision bombing of selected targets by the Indian Air Force.

    However, hard military options have only a transitory impact unless these are sustained over a long period of time. The use of force also causes inevitable collateral damage, runs the risk of escalating into a larger war with attendant nuclear dangers and has adverse international ramifications.

    In order to achieve a lasting impact and ensure that the actual perpetrators of terrorism are targeted, it is necessary to employ covert capabilities to neutralise the leadership of terrorist organisations. Clandestine operations can be methodically planned and stealthily executed at an opportune moment.

    These are not time-critical responses and they also have an element of 'plausible deniability' built into them. Other advantages include relatively low political, economic and military costs and low risk of casualties for operatives as local personnel -- who harbour grudges against the targeted organisations -- can often be used.

    After Independence, Indian intelligence agencies had virtually no covert capabilities available while Pakistan launched irregular warfare against India in Kashmir and sustained it over the next few decades.

    After the 1962 war with China, the newly-established external intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing, received help from the Central Intelligence Agency to establish capabilities for clandestine operations across India's borders.

    When the ISI intervened to provide 'political, diplomatic and moral' support to the protagonists of the insurgent Khalistan movement in Punjab [ Images ] in the 1980s, India is reported to have retaliated in the restive regions of Sindh and Balochistan.

    Soon after the Brass Tacks IV crisis in 1987 (when the Indian Army's [ Images ] simulation of a full-scale war on the border unsettled Pakistan), R&AW chief A K Verma and then ISI chief Lieutenant General Hamid Gul (now on India's wanted list) reportedly agreed to stop launching covert operations against each other.

    Pakistan did not keep its part of the bargain in Kashmir on the specious plea that it is was a disputed territory. It went flat out to support militancy in Jammu and Kashmir. Since then, Pakistan has often accused India of clandestine interference in its internal affairs, but has failed to corroborate its claims with hard evidence.

    B Raman, a well-known intelligence analyst, has written, 'R&AW imposed heavy costs on Pakistan for supporting the Khalistanis and should be able to do so now for its support to the LeT and other jihadi terrorist organisations.'

    According to the intelligence grapevine, India's covert capabilities in Pakistan were wound down on the prime minister's orders in 1997, so as to promote reconciliation.

    If that is true, a great deal of effort will be necessary to establish these capabilities from scratch. Young operatives will have to be selected and trained -- initially in the rudiments of intelligence gathering -- and after being given some in-country experience, in the complexities of high-risk special operations in a hostile foreign environment.

    They will also need to be imparted specialised instructions in selecting, training and motivating local agents to carry out pre-planned and opportune strikes against selected targets.

    It takes at least three to five years to put in place basic capabilities for covert operations in Pakistan as both the terrorist organisations and their handlers like the ISI have to be penetrated. It is to be hoped that permission has been given to R&AW to revive its earlier capabilities.

    Targets should include the leaders of fundamentalist terrorist organisations in Pakistan who are sponsoring terrorist strikes in India and their ISI handlers -- particularly those who are renegade or rogue elements.

    Masterminds like Lashkar founder Mohammad Sayeed and 26/11 attack accused Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi must be neutralised one by one if Pakistan does not act against them.

    Fugitives from the Indian justice system, like gangster and prime accused in the 1993 Mumbai serial blasts Dawood Ibrahim [ Images ], must be hounded out. In fact, Dawood should be secretly apprehended from his hideout in Karachi and brought back alive to India to face a public trial.

    In a later phase, when a network of operatives is in place and sufficient experience has been gained, logistics installations of the army like ammunition dumps -- from which explosives are issued for suicide strikes -- should be blown up.

    In this age of realpolitik, adherence to ahimsa (non-violence) will not pay dividends and India will remain at the mercy of terrorist organisations. Such organisations will always have the initiative as they can choose the time and place of the next attack.

    R&AW must be given the wherewithal necessary to undertake sustained covert operations in Pakistan to eliminate the leadership of organisations inimical to India.

    The flames of fundamentalist terrorism in India are still being fanned by the Pakistan army and the ISI, though on a reduced scale. The time to debate this issue on moral and legal grounds has long since passed.

    India needs to TAKE OUT terror targets in Pakistan - Rediff.com India News
     
    Patriot and Yusuf like this.
  2.  
  3. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2009
    Messages:
    24,272
    Likes Received:
    11,274
    Location:
    BANGalore
    I see a reflection of my thoughts in OP.
     
  4. W.G.Ewald

    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2011
    Messages:
    14,140
    Likes Received:
    8,528
    Location:
    North Carolina, USA
  5. spikey360

    spikey360 Crusader Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2011
    Messages:
    2,285
    Likes Received:
    2,116
    Location:
    The Republic of India
    We have a Prime Minister who believes in appeasing Pakistan just like Britain and France believed in appeasing Hitler.
     
    SPIEZ and sesha_maruthi27 like this.
  6. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2009
    Messages:
    24,272
    Likes Received:
    11,274
    Location:
    BANGalore
    No cutting across party lines, our govts have failed. I mean last 15 years and especially since 9/11 when terror attacks have increased. Parliament attack, Akshardham, Various attacks in Mumbai.

    I have long ago and repeatedly talked about raising the stakes. Have proactive policy where we will hold Pakistan to account for a single bullet fired in India. We retaliate without asking questions. It will make them spend a lot of money on defence, there will be fear, and it will help the secessionist movements in Pak too.

    If I get to any such office which has the power to decide, I'd implement some very harsh measures against Pak
     
  7. The Fox

    The Fox Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    457
    Likes Received:
    267
    Location:
    Bangalore
    India Cant do it the Govt is Spine less........ think about it if the govt cant take action against the people who are doing funeral for Ajmal kasab in Srinagar then what can india do in Pakistan the Kongress Govt is a Pussy Govt and Don't have Balls They are scared of loosing Muslim vote bank
     
    Patriot, natarajan and uss like this.
  8. The Fox

    The Fox Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    457
    Likes Received:
    267
    Location:
    Bangalore
  9. spikey360

    spikey360 Crusader Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2011
    Messages:
    2,285
    Likes Received:
    2,116
    Location:
    The Republic of India
    This is mostly true. Actually they are not man enough to go into battle with Pakistan. Even if they lose Muslim votebank, they could have made up more than their losses if they were ready to show true courage. I agree with your first part. This government is an extremely timid government. Leave Pakistan, they can't even handle BD infiltrators.
     
  10. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2009
    Messages:
    24,272
    Likes Received:
    11,274
    Location:
    BANGalore
    Another idiotic post.

    What has Indian Muslim votebank to do with Pakis?

    Don't be an idiot.

    India is deterred by Paki nukes. The day India decides to call the bluff, Pak will be finished.
     
    sesha_maruthi27 likes this.
  11. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2009
    Messages:
    15,623
    Likes Received:
    11,702
    ISI HQ is legitimate target................
     
  12. nrj

    nrj Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2009
    Messages:
    9,252
    Likes Received:
    3,347
    Location:
    Brussels
    Rubbish to bring in muslim vote bank here. Even if Congress gets vote of every single muslim in this country, still they can't form numbers to claim majority. This is the first thing they know, even when others are unaware.

    India has monumental inertia when launching offensive on Pak because of nukes, and its not bluff.
     
  13. Victor Sierra

    Victor Sierra Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2012
    Messages:
    369
    Likes Received:
    219
    Location:
    Himalaya
    I see my dream coming true. Such Ops are either without the knowledge of Government or highly classified. You just say it, we have plenty of our best men to do the job.
     
  14. The Fox

    The Fox Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    457
    Likes Received:
    267
    Location:
    Bangalore
    I am not taking anything away from patriotic Indian Muslims However i am talking about those who live in india and have pledged loyalty to Pakistan most of them donot come in Open but every one knows there are those who live here......... and for a example there is a politician in Bangalore who was a Central govt minister is sheltering illegal Bangladeshi in his farm house and no one has the balls to ask him............. and donot ask for any proof because no one does these with camera and record these activities and u know it
     
  15. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2009
    Messages:
    24,272
    Likes Received:
    11,274
    Location:
    BANGalore
    1) Hiw many such people are there who have "pledged" heir loyalty to Pak.
    2) Sheltering illegal BD people is your example of people "pledging" support to Pak? :facepalm:
    3) Faikure to not confront any illegal activity is the problem of the law enforcement agencies and off course the political nexus that goes with it.

    This is why I say the police should be independent of the political circus.
     
    sesha_maruthi27 likes this.
  16. VatsaOfBhrigus

    VatsaOfBhrigus Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2012
    Messages:
    265
    Likes Received:
    86
    Location:
    Seattle

    Yes illegal bangladeshis are responsible for providing logistics and other facilities to terrorists...... How did mumbai attack happen ?

    Those terrorist stayed here with indian muslims who supported them... not all, but it cannot be denied that muslims from india supported them.



    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
    Patriot and sesha_maruthi27 like this.
  17. VatsaOfBhrigus

    VatsaOfBhrigus Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2012
    Messages:
    265
    Likes Received:
    86
    Location:
    Seattle

    These people should have been shot dead at sight by the police.
     
    hello_10 likes this.
  18. Snuggy321

    Snuggy321 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2012
    Messages:
    506
    Likes Received:
    238
    GOI cant just risk a nuclear war. It has the responsibility to safeguard over one billion people. Even if the pak government does not want to use nukes, no one can predict the reaction of a bunch of fundamental pak army officers in charge of their nukes. Ever one knows that their government cant control the pak military 100 % and that it has been infiltrated by jihadis.
     
  19. VatsaOfBhrigus

    VatsaOfBhrigus Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2012
    Messages:
    265
    Likes Received:
    86
    Location:
    Seattle
    So disable the nukes.... If from a billion people the government cannot find resources to do that, it should drown and die in Nile or whatever middle eastern river they want.... they aren't worth drowning in ganga...
     
    Patriot likes this.
  20. sesha_maruthi27

    sesha_maruthi27 Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2010
    Messages:
    3,884
    Likes Received:
    1,568
    Location:
    Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh(INDIA)
    Guys, stop arguing with YUSUF BHAI. I know him personally and he is a very good INDIAN MUSLIM. I always respect his views in DFI. Plesae stop posting the pics of anti-Indians.....

    Come out and Ask the same question to the GoI and protest against them for not taking action upon those scumbags......
     
    LETHALFORCE and Snuggy321 like this.
  21. Snuggy321

    Snuggy321 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2012
    Messages:
    506
    Likes Received:
    238
    and you think this is gonna happen very easy or what?
     
    sesha_maruthi27 likes this.

Share This Page