India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturirangan

[shiphone]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

something about Chinese SAR sat....some English source


A.the military ones...YG-1,YG-3,YG-10 of YG serial (metioned by KevWang)

The Yaogan 1 (Remote Sensing Satellite-1) remote sensing satellite was launched by CZ-4C rocket from China's Taiyuan space center on 26 April 2006. It is China's first space-based synthetic aperture radar (SAR) system. The military designation of the satellite is Jian Bing-5 (JB-5). The whole development project was funded by the PLA.

Satellite Date LS Launch Vehicle
Yaogan 1 (JB-5 1) 26.04.2006 TY LC-7 CZ-4C
Yaogan 3 (JB-5 2) 11.11.2007 TY LC-7 CZ-4C
Yaogan 10 (JB-5 3) 10.08.2010 TY LC-9 CZ-4C

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B. the civilian one HJ-1C

HJ 1C (Huan Jing = Environment) is a small chinese radar Earth observation satellite operated by the China Centre for Resources Satellite Data and Application (CRESDA). The satellite constellation is composed of a number of small satellites, the ground system, and the application system. It provides all-weather (3 to 100 m meter) imagery. The Huan Jing constellation consists of two small optical satellites, the HJ-1A and the HJ-1B, and one radar satellite, the HJ-1C.

HJ 1C 18.11.2012 TY LC-9 CZ-2C

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since this is a defence forum, I prefer talking about the military related stuff.

these are the Military Satellites lunched by PRC...and as I know, indian friends are still waiting for the very first Military Satellite Lunch (naval intelligence and communications purpose)...although the delay news keep coming every year, I'm sure ISRO will be able to make the final leap in the end.

 

[p2prada]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

1. GLONASS is actually a pure Russian Project...

More or less.

We won't be getting military signals just like that..

and the so called IRNSS Project, we'd better talk about it when the first satellite of this system lunched , and we could say this won't happen in this year...

First two launches are for this year. They are keeping the schedule under wraps. Of course this depends on the success of the GSLV too.

2. RISAT2 is an Israel made satellite...

The radar is Israeli, the satellite itself is Indian.

and friends, we'd better end this simple compare with the thread title "India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturirangan ".

Without a heavy launcher India cannot compete. PSLV is a success, but there is a limit to payload. GSLV will double and even triple that capability. So, until GSLV matures there is no competition. After GSLV matures, then we should have the technology and also the budget to fund major projects. This year the budget is $1.2 Billion, up from $750 Million last year.

 

[p2prada]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

these are the Military Satellites lunched by PRC...and as I know, indian friends are still waiting for the very first Military Satellite Lunch (naval intelligence and communications purpose)...although the delay news keep coming every year, I'm sure ISRO will be able to make the final leap in the end.

CARTOSAT 2A is a dedicated military satellite and it has an unknown resolution. But it is only said to be less than 1m. CARTOSAT 2B is civilian with a 0.8m resolution. GSAT-7 is expected to be our first comm satellite. PSLV C22 will launch the first IRNSS satellite.

India is officially opposed to militarization of space and at the same time MoD has a tech roadmap for the same.

ISRO is officially a civilian agency and so is our entire nuclear industry (until the American deal was announced). I hope you get the point here.

 

[Bhadra]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

thats why i hope some indian members here who may happen to be some insiders to shed some light on what dr Kasturirangan was actually talking about......

Alas ! Dr Kasturirangan did not that Indian's are behind the Chinese. Otherwise there would have so much discussion.

 

[shiphone]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

1.yes, I rechecked our Space launch Watch forum and indian source, the first IRNSS plan is in this June...sorry about that...but we have to wait and see. 3 other remarkable space missions seem very possiable this year: the continued GSLV MK2, the Experiment Lanuch of MK3 and mars mission ,plus 2 other PSLV missions including first IRNSS , I regret to say I have some doubt that the PLAN would be all accomplished according to the ISRO record.

2. yes, yes,a big yes...as some our space tech specialist pointed out in a TV interview about 4-5 years ago, the current situation of Indian Rockets--payload ability and reliability--limited the Indian Satellite's ability and quantity. after 2 GSLV MK1,2 failures in 2010, ISRO lost two important heavy Communication Sats, and last year, ISRO had to use the PSLV to put a much lighter Communication Sat into GEO obit and used European Rocket to launch the heaviest one as well (but this more than 3 tons level Sat also beyonds the current GSLV ability)...I thought GOI has made a very important choice to raise the budget for Launch vehicle development...we will see the positive impact in the near future

3. with the tech development, the civilian Earth Observation Sats could be used for some military purpose...but military Sat has some Specificity

 

[roma]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

It is intertesting that beautiful lady @roma ask us to prove India has the best statellites, does that mean as long as Indians open their big mouths and claim they have the best, then that is a fact?

not true ! = lie .... is this the way in ccp ??

i only asked u to post less ....please

 

[p2prada]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

1.yes, I rechecked our Space launch Watch forum and indian source, the first IRNSS plan is in this June...sorry about that...but we have to wait and see. 3 other remarkable space missions seem very possiable this year: the continued GSLV MK2, the Experiment Lanuch of MK3 and mars mission ,plus 2 other PSLV missions including first IRNSS , I regret to say I have some doubt that the PLAN would be all accomplished according to the ISRO record.

We are keeping our fingers crossed for the April launch of GSLV Mk2.

(but this more than 3 tons level Sat also beyonds the current GSLV ability)...I thought GOI has made a very important choice to raise the budget for Launch vehicle development...we will see the positive impact in the near future

Don't read too much into the 2500 Kg payload. PSLV has seen significant increase in payload depending on what was required. Similarly even GSLV Mk2 may see different variants of the same rocket.

Anyway, there may be a new PSLV model for IRNSS-1 launch, probably called PSLV-HP.

Overall, you can say by 2015, ISRO will become highly competitive in the heavy satellites launch segment with probably new developments beyond GSLV Mk3. You also need to remember that ISRO's achievements are very noteworthy considering the kinds of budget we are working at and we will retain a cost advantage over a long time.

 

[nimo_cn]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

not true ! = lie .... is this the way in ccp ??

i only asked u to post less ....please

Once you are telling the not true, it is lying.

 

[roma]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

.It is intertesting that beautiful lady roma ask us to prove India has the best statellites -------

Once you are telling the not true, it is lying.

so whay do you lie ?
nowhere did i ask you to prove anything ....i only asked you to post less .

 

[bose]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

I haven't, but one doesn't have to see those pages to understand the fact that India can't make the best satellite. There are plenty of countries that can make better satellites than India, such as America, Japan, France, etc.

Please don't narrow the subject from satellites to civilian satellites, and after that to remote sensing satellites which I know Indians are good at. Dr. Kasturirangan's original words are "we have got best satellites in the world.", he certainly wasn't just refering to civilian satellites.

And another thing I want to point out is, there isn't so many technological differences between civilian satellites and military satellites, what distinguishes them is the purpose of their missions. So, there is no such thing that one can make the best civilian satellites while can't make the best military satellites.

There are some kinds of satellites India specialize in, mostly in remote sensing satellites, which has been confirmed by Chinese scientists. But even in that area, India doesn't get the best sateliites, what makes Indians' work remarkable is their efficiency in managing the largest RSS constellation. In general, India's satellite industry is at a low level compared to the best.

Many people here certainly don't agree with me, then fine. Tell us what best satellites India has, list the models and their specifics.

It is intertesting that beautiful lady @roma ask us to prove India has the best statellites, does that mean as long as Indians open their big mouths and claim they have the best, then that is a fact?

Why Chinese are so jealous people ??? India makes world best satellites and that too better than USA.. PERIOD...

Any problem ??

 

[nimo_cn]

Why Chinese are so jealous people ??? India makes world best satellites and that too better than USA.. PERIOD...

Any problem ??

No problem except that you are lying about India making the best satellites in the world.

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[nimo_cn]

so whay do you lie ?
nowhere did i ask you to prove anything ....i only asked you to post less .

I didnt lie, you did ask us to search about the world best made by India, which is nonexistence. It is not our burden to prove you are the best, you need to prove it yourself.

As long as you people fail to prove that, we reserve the right to question it.

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[huaxia rox]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

Can you please tell all the words that are needed to be included in the statement? We can pass it on to all scientists in India saying Huaxia Rox want you to make statements just like that!

scientists in every nation have their own ways to say truth.....either radical or conservative is ok so long as truth is being told.....and i guess no matter where the scientist comes from one thing for him or/and his nation has to be true.....which is सत्यमेव जयते my indian friend.......

You are wrong there @cir. The criteria to make best satellites is not the ability to make decent smartphones. But it's ceramic ware. China scores again!

a reasonable though indeed...just dont know if you care to apply the same thought to something like 'you paki(stani)s cant even make a decent locomotive how do you make an a-bomb?'

 

[huaxia rox]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

not true ! = lie .... is this the way in ccp ??

i only asked u to post less ....please

if you know you are not true but you still say you are true then you are lying....

if you dont know you are not true and you say you are true then you at least are being wrong.....

 

[no smoking]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

Why Chinese are so jealous people ??? India makes world best satellites and that too better than USA.. PERIOD...

Any problem ??

Well, it is arguable if Indian satelites are better than Chinese one.

Better than USA? My friend, your imagination just goes too far!

 

[no smoking]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

We are keeping our fingers crossed for the April launch of GSLV Mk2.



Don't read too much into the 2500 Kg payload. PSLV has seen significant increase in payload depending on what was required. Similarly even GSLV Mk2 may see different variants of the same rocket.

Anyway, there may be a new PSLV model for IRNSS-1 launch, probably called PSLV-HP.

Overall, you can say by 2015, ISRO will become highly competitive in the heavy satellites launch segment with probably new developments beyond GSLV Mk3. You also need to remember that ISRO's achievements are very noteworthy considering the kinds of budget we are working at and we will retain a cost advantage over a long time.

Today is 2013, india hasn't get her GSLV MK3 stable for her own yet. How can you expect foreign customer to bet billions dollars on it, not to mention the unknown "new developments" beyond GSLV MK3. Certainly ISRO's achievements are worth of applause, but your record is not that brilliant.

 

[bose]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

No problem except that you are lying about India making the best satellites in the world.

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We are not lying... to us those are the beast in the world... and that does not warrants any explanation to any one...

 

[bose]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

Well, it is arguable if Indian satelites are better than Chinese one.

It is our belief so no arguments here...

Better than USA? My friend, your imagination just goes too far!

Good to have such imagination...

 

[Tolaha]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

scientists in every nation have their own ways to say truth.....either radical or conservative is ok so long as truth is being told.....and i guess no matter where the scientist comes from one thing for him or/and his nation has to be true.....which is सत्यमेव जयते my indian friend.......


a reasonable though indeed...just dont know if you care to apply the same thought to something like 'you paki(stani)s cant even make a decent locomotive how do you make an a-bomb?'

A sudden, remarkable improvement in your writing skills! Amazing! You were struggling with English earlier but now along with English, a sprinkling of Hindi as well! Care to share the secret?

As for the bolded part, thanks to unscrupulous countries, making an atom bomb has become easier than making locomotives.

 

[angeldude13]

Re: India is not competing with China in space programme: Kasturiranga

we can't compete with china.we are 2 or 3 decades behind them in space technology.