India, China top arms importers: SIPRI

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  1. nandu

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    India, China top arms importers: SIPRI

    While the United States remains the world's biggest arms supplier, India and China are the biggest importers of conventional weapons, the sales of which rose sharply by 22 per cent globally in 2005-2009, a leading Swedish peace research group said.

    The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) data showed that transfers of major conventional weapons rose by 22 per cent in 2005-2009, compared to the previous five-year period with China and India being the biggest importers of conventional weapons.

    While China's arms imports accounted for nine per cent of the global defence sales, the same figure for India was seven per cent, SIPRI said.

    Eighty-nine per cent of China's arms imports originated from Russia, it said while identifying France and Ukriane(three per cent each) as the other major sources of conventional weapons.

    In the case of India, Russia supplied 77 per cent of the country's imported conventional defence equipment while United Kingdom supplied eight per cent and Israel providing five per cent of its arms requirements.

    The SIPRI noted that the volume of arms transferred to the top five major recipients for the period 2005-2009 has increased by four per cent over 2000-2004, but the volume of arms transferred to the two largest importers for both periods, China and India, has decreased by around 20 per cent and seven per cent, respectively.

    Transfers of major conventional weapons systems to China have dropped significantly in the last three years. With the exception of a handful of helicopters from France and Russia, no major conventional weapons were delivered to China in 2009, SIPRI said.

    The volume of deliveries to India and Pakistan has increased significantly in recent years and will continue to rise during the next five years. India continues to receive Su-30MKI combat aircraft and T-90S tanks from Russia and in 2009 received its first A-50 airborne early warning aircraft, considered an important force-multiplier, from Israel.

    Pakistan received 2 Jiangwei (or F-22P) frigates, its first new major surface warship for many years, and the first of up to 300 JF-17 combat aircraft from China. It also received its first airborne early-warning aircraft, the Saab- 2000AEW aircraft from Sweden.

    The SIPRI said combat aircraft accounted for 27 per cent of the volume of international arms transfers during 2005-2009. Orders and deliveries of these potentially destabilising weapon systems have led to arms race concerns in the following regions of tension: theMiddle East, North Africa, South America, South Asia and South East Asia.

    Source:brahmand.com
     
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  3. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    I am sure most are aware of it, but China has dramatically decreased their arms imports. What is a hidden little factoid is their civilian purchases will be used for military purposes. I wouldn't be too concerned as a civilian helicopter turned into a weaponised role isn't nearly as effective as one dedicated to the task. There domestic arms production, at least for the big ticket items, has dramatically slowed. They claim more self-reliance and big military spending but it isn't really getting them very far. Ship, tank, and aircraft production are way lower than it was back in the 90s and on a much lower budget.
     
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    tony4562 Tihar Jail Banned

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    That is not true. In the 90's China picked up the pace of military modernization, but that was relative to the complete hiatus during the 80's. For example, China only managed to build 4 destroyers in the 90's, 1 Luda, 2 Luhu and 1 Luhai, on the other hand 10 destroyers (4 sov, 2 052B, 2 052C and 2 051C) were either built or procured (from abroad) in the past decade alone. And the newer ships are much more capable than any of the older ones. What is true is that China has not added another destroyer since 2007 partly due to relocation of Jiangnan yard, china's premier destroyer builder, but has in its place added 8 054A frigates which are more or less equal to 052B in many aspects.

    So to say that China's domestic weapon production has fallen off the radar is simply not true. What is happening is that things are now progressing at a more steady pace. The same can also be observed with J10 procurement, following clock work of 1 regiment a year,about 6 regiments of J10 have now formed since the aircraft was inducted into the air force in 2004.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    I wasn't talking about procuring rusting Soviet destroyers. The Type 054s were being built in the 90s. Type 52s built in the ninties, Luda-II 90s, the last half of the Luda Is, first half of the Type 57s, all of the Type 55s, the last Type 053H, All of the Jianghu-Vs. We are talking well over 20 ships of frigate/destroyer designation built in the 1990s alone. 24 Type 37-IG corvettes built in the 90s and most of the 20 37IS. All of the Type 072 amphib ships. When it comes to submarines, 15 Ming SSKs were built in the ninties which dwarfs any number built in the last decade. PLAN built several more tonnes of vessles in the ninties than they have built in the last decade.

    When speaking of PLAAF production it doesn't even come close. Most of the current serving J-7s were produced in the ninties, most of the J-8IIs, all of the JH-7s. J-10 production is a drop in the bucket. Even adding Su-27SK doesn't put it in the park. Chinese production has come to a near standstill compared to the ninties.
     
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    Check your sources first, I suggest wikipedia. The first 054, not even the ones dubbed 054A which come with VLS and first appeared in 2006, appeared in 2003. The same goes for many of the weapons mentioned.

    Try search for the folllowing: 052B, 052C, 051C, 071, 072III, 022, Song SSK, Yuan SSK, 054, 054A, 093 SSN, 094 SSBN...
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Shenzhen and Yantai were launched in the late ninties. I suggest you read Haze Gray if you want the dates. None of the 2000 production even comes close to the 1990s.
     
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    Yantai is a 053 Jiangwei class warship, shenzhen (167) was the lone 051B ship built.

    Info about ships in the PLAN is very easy to find:

    In the 90's China built
    4 destroyers: 1 051 Luda, 2 052 Luhu and 1 051B Luhai
    14 frigates: 4 jiangwei I, 4 Jiangwei II and 6 obsolete Jianghu V (just to fill the number)

    All of them had only HQ7 as SAM, the jianghus didn't even have those.

    In the 00's China built & aquired
    10 destroyers: 4 Sov, 2 052B, 2 052C, 2 051C, these ships are large with VLS and PAR and arial-defence capability

    16 frigates:
    6 jiangwei II (con'l from the 90's), 2 054 and 8 054A

    You tell me is that or progress or not. Also regarding other ships, yes China built 6 Houjian fast crafts and 16 Houxin fast crafts in the 90's, but in the past decade more than 40 022 catamaran type fast crafts were built. And while China bullt several Ming SSKs during the 90's along with the lead hull of the Song class SSKs, (the Ming program dates back to the 70's, most of them bullt in the 80's), around 10 Songs and at least 2 Yuan were built in the new millenium. Also China got 8 more Kilos during the period compared with just 4 Kilos in the previous. Also 093s and 094s only appeared after the turn of millenium.
     
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    Oops, donæt think there is currently a major warship named after Yantai, could be a real old 051 Luda hull.
     
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    Wrong, in the 90s China built

    (4 DDG) 2 Shenzen DDG, 2 Harbin DDG,

    (19 FFG) 1 Zhuhai FFG, 3 Jinan FFG, 4 Jiangwe II FFG, 4 Anqing FFG, 1 Huangshi FFG, 6 Zigong FFG

    Who cares?

    PLAN acquired 2 Sovremmeny in the late ninties so wrong again.

    In the 2000s China built,

    (6 DDG) 2 052B, 2 052C, 2 051C

    (11 FFG) 4 Jiangwei-II, 2 Jiangkai-I , 5 Jiangkai-II


    PLAN built 40 Type 037 corvettes in the 90s which far outway in tonnage those tiny FAC catamarans. The 15 Ming SSKs are far more tonnage than two Yuan... again we are not concerned with their imports. The only progress were a hadnful of nuclear subs.

    The total tonnage built by China from the ninties beats that of the last decade by a factor of 2:1.
     
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    tony4562 Tihar Jail Banned

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    I don't think it's possible to continue the debate with you when you blatantly refuse to recognize the obvious.

    Just before I quit, let me point out some of the obvious errors in your post.

    There is only 1 ship in the Shenzhen class, PLAN ship Shenzhen with pennant number 167. There is no Harbin class destroyer, only Luhu class (052) with 2 ships,112 Qingdao and 113 Harbin

    there is also no Zhuhai class FFG, no Jinan class FFG, no Anqing class FFG, no Huangshi class FFG, and no Zigong class FFG

    Jinan is the name of the first destroyer (class 051 Luda, 17 built) built in China, in year 1971, and Zhuhai is the class's last ship built in 1990.

    4 Jiangwei I (code 053 H2G) frigates and 4 improved Jiangwei II (053H3) frigates were built in the 90's, along with 6 venerable 053H1G Jianghu V ships (one of the ship is named Zigong)


    2 Sovs were ordered in the 90's but didn't arrive until 2000 & 2001 respectively. 2 additional Sovs were ordered afterwards. Also China has sofar built 8 054A jiangkai-II with 6 commissioned). The ming boats were not entirely built in the 90's as the program started out in the 70's and they are smaller than either Song or Yuan (3000ton+). Also China didn't build 40 037 missile boats (we are only talking about 037-II Houjian and 037-IG Houxin here, not the old Shanghai class gun boats called 037 built during the cold war), only 6 Houjian and 16 Houxin. On the other hand more than 40 022 Houbei boats have been built, each more capable than either Houjian or Houxin, and at 220tons each they are not 'tiny'.
     
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    The name of the first is the lead of class of which the class is named.
     

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