'I'm proud my WMD lies led to Iraq war'

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    US Duped to Start Iraq War

    Is this another US whitewash to cover the act of attacking Iraq without any legitimate cause apart from 'regime change' and 'spreading freedom and democracy'?

    It is incredible naivety for anyone to believe this story that a superpower, with all the instruments at its command to verify, will believe any co.ck and bull story churned up by any old Tom, Di.ck and Harry and based on this hogwash in a cavalier manner start a war!
     
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    LONDON: An Iraqi man whose testimony the United States used as a key evidence to build a case for war in Iraq says he is proud that he lied about his country developing mobile biological warfare labs.

    The Guardian newspaper published an interview today with Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, who has been identified as the informer called "Curveball," whose claims about weapon labs formed part of then-US Secretary of State Colin Powell's speech to the UN Security Council in 2003, shortly before the war began.

    The Guardian quoted al-Janabi as saying: "I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that."

    Although some intelligence agents were skeptical of Curveball's story, the US Senate Intelligence Committee reported in 2004 that the Central Intelligence Agency "withheld important information about Curveball's reliability" from analysts dealing with the case.

    The Guardian interviewed al-Janabi in Karlsruhe, Germany in a mixture of Arabic and German. The US Senate panel's report said Curveball spoke in English and Arabic when he was interrogated by intelligence officers.

    Asked about his feeling's about the deaths and destruction during the war and in the years following, The Guardian said al-Janabi said there was no other way.

    "I tell you something when I hear anybody not just in Iraq but in any war (is) killed, I am very sad. But give me another solution. Can you give me another solution?" the newspaper quoted him as saying.

    "Saddam did not (allow) freedom in our land," the Iraqi said. "There are no other political parties. You have to believe what Saddam says, and do what Saddam wants. And I don't accept that. I have to do something for my country. So I did this and I am satisfied, because there is no dictator in Iraq any more."

    Read more: 'I'm proud my WMD lies led to Iraq war' - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...raq-war/articleshow/7513024.cms#ixzz1ECta2WtB
     
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    It's hard to actually believe that US with it's superb Intel gathering people and organizations would believe a certain guy and go to war with a foreign country. This was staged and Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi was the pawn. It was all for dollar dominance and oil.

    After 9/11 when the US economy crashed, there were some oil rich countries who wanted to trade oil for some other currency, than the dollar, as the dollar reserves they held came down in terms of market value. Also, a significant part of the $$$ had to be re-invested into the US economy by the oil rich nations. So, some countries wanted payments in Euro & other local currencies, so that if $ value dwindles, it doesn't affect them much.

    Iraq War was an indirect warning to all oil rich countries to fall in line and continue using the dollar as the global currency.
     
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    But when you are looking for a pretext for a war, anything will do. Everyone knows Powell was not in favor and was unwillingly brought on board. It was a bush, cheney, rusmsfeld war.
     
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    Yes, but then it's US. They need to install fear in the minds of the common people to legitimate the invasion of Iraq. Having said that, I guess this is another failed foreign policy of the US. Iraq did not have any nukes barring some chemical/biological weapons(I might be wrong about the chemical/biological weapons thing too). US could have easily used Iraq against the bigger & real threat, Iran.
     
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    It is not "failed foreign policy"...they knew there was nothing there. Even couple of years before invasion the UN team reported that all infrastructure to make wmd's was dismantled.

    They only needed and excuse to fool the people of usa and others in the world. Yanks may be many things but they aren't idiots or fools.

    And iran isn't a threat to anyone.....infact they could be our best ally in the muslim block.
     
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    /\/\/\ In hindsight, I agree with you.

    Just look at Iraq now. Suicide bombings, sectarian violence, bloody daily killings. Iraq was better under Saddam. Whichever nation US touched, became hell for it's citizens. The only exception is India.
     
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    (CNN) -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said Wednesday that U.S. intelligence officials should be questioned over their handling of "Curveball," an Iraqi defector whose now discredited claims on weapons of mass destruction helped fuel the Bush administration's drive to war in 2003.
    It has become clear over the years that "the source called Curveball was totally unreliable," Powell said in a statement to CNN.
    "The question should be put to the CIA and the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) as to why this wasn't known before the false information was put into (a key intelligence estimate) sent to Congress, the president's State of the Union address and my February 5 presentation to the U.N."
    Powell, in an address to members of the United Nations Security Council in February 2003, said the U.S. government had "first-hand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels."
    "The source was an eyewitness, an Iraqi chemical engineer who supervised one of these facilities," Powell said at the time. "He actually was present during biological agent production runs. He was also at the site when an accident occurred in 1998. Twelve technicians died."
    Two months later, the invasion of Iraq began. No biological weapons, no germ labs, and no weapons of mass destruction were found.
    The defector, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, has admitted in an interview with Britain's Guardian newspaper that he lied to help bring down Saddam Hussein's regime.
    "I had the chance to fabricate something, to topple the regime," he said. "I did this, and I am satisfied, because there is no dictator in Iraq anymore."
    When Alwan spoke to CNN in 2008, he said, "I never told anyone Saddam Hussein was producing weapons of mass destruction."
    At the time, intelligence sources told CNN that Alwan had claimed that Iraq had a secret bioweapons program. But now, Alwan admits that after he was granted asylum in Germany in 2000, he used his training as a chemical engineer to concoct for his debriefers a story of Iraqi WMD production.
    Although the CIA was not given a chance to interview Alwan directly, and German officials had questioned some aspects of Alwan's story, his assertions were included in the material provided to Powell for his U.N. presentation.
    Tyler Drumheller, who was the CIA's chief of European operations at the time, agrees that the "Curveball" information was not well-enough vetted. He says he had reservations at the time about relying on it, but that when he asked for direct CIA access to Alwan through the German intelligence service, he was rebuffed.
    A representative of Germany's intelligence service declined to comment.
    Drumheller claims top Bush administration officials were too willing to believe Alwan's story "because that was the only piece of intelligence they had that really fit what the administration was looking at."
    Former President George W. Bush declined through a spokesman to comment. Representatives for former Vice President **** Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and the DIA did not reply to CNN's inquiries.
    Former CIA director George Tenet, who was Drumheller's boss, wrote in his memoirs that "perhaps some people's recollections of 'if only someone had listened to me' have become sharper than reality." Without naming names, Tenet said that "concerns about Curveball did not get disseminated far and wide through the agency as they should have been."
    Former Homeland Security adviser Frances Townsend says that the U.S. government should seek Alwan's extradition and prosecution, for "intentionally lying and deceiving the U.S. government."
    "It absolutely makes my blood boil," she told CNN.
    Not all observers are accepting Alwan's claim that his goal in spinning his WMD tale was to free the people of Iraq from Hussein.
    "He told the story because he wanted to get out of a refugee camp in Germany," said Bob Drogin, author of a book about the episode. "He wanted to get his wife out and bring her to Germany, he wanted to get citizenship, and he wanted a Mercedes Benz. And he got all of those things."
    But in his interview with the Guardian, Alwan said he had already won asylum before he spoke to German intelligence about weapons programs in Iraq, and that telling them his story did not win him a life of ease.
    Alwan insisted he is proud of the role he played in the toppling of Hussein. In the video of the interview posted online, he said that if he had it all to do over again, he would say the same thing "because I wouldn't want that regime to continue in our country."
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/17/powell.curveball.iraq/index.html?hpt=T2
     
  10. RebateKing

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    why ppl are recycling these old news? I don't see anything new worth discussing. As early as 2004, Chalabi openly admitted ""We are heroes in error. As far as we're concerned, we've been entirely successful. That tyrant Saddam is gone and the Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before is not important."
     
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    Well uncle SAM tells the world that IRAQ has WMD's and so they have declared war on IRAQ. And now the person who said so tells that his is proud that his lies led to the war on IRAQ. Is this the WORLD of uncle SAM or is this WORLD a place of many countries and continents. Think uncle SAM is suggesting that he is the one who controls the entire WORLD. Shame on u UNCLE SAM...........
     

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