IAF's Jaguar/Shamsher Discussion thread.

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  1. s_bman

    s_bman Regular Member

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    IAF plans for 100 combat missiles for Jaguar
    Paris, June 15: In a bid to add more firepower to its fighter fleet, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is planning to acquire over 100 close combat air-to-air missiles for the Jaguar aircraft.

    The Request for Proposal (RFP) for the acquisition of over 100 of these close combat missiles has been sent to five missile manufacturers including the Raytheon Corporation from United States, Israeli Raphael and European missile consortium MBDA.

    "We have received the RFP from the Indian Defence Ministry for close combat air to air missiles for the Jaguar fighter aircraft. We are looking to understand the requirements of the IAF and after that we will decide about the missile that can be offered to them," Raytheon Vice President Dennis J Carroll said here.

    We have not yet gone through the details of the Indian requirements but we can offer our AIM-9X and AMRAAM for close range combat requirements," Carroll said.

    The Israelis are expected to offer the Derb-5 missile in the contract.

    With these missiles on-board the Jaguar, IAF wants to improve the lethality of the fighter aircraft in close range air-to-air combat with enemy aircraft. It has the role of striking deep inside the enemy territory since they were inducted in the IAF in early 80s.

    The IAF is also in process of finalising its plans for having a new engine for the Jaguar aircraft.

    Two major global engine manufacturers are already in race to provide their engines for the programme including the American Honeywell and the British Rolls Royce.

    India has around 100 Jaguars based at different locations across the country including a maritime squadron to carry out operations over sea.
     
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  3. EnlightenedMonk

    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    I suspect they mean the DERBY ???
     
  4. John

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    well Derby, range 50km is ideal since i think we ordered it also for the Harriers.
     
  5. John

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    Honeywell's engine will win, it allows for more ranges, more weapons and better aerial performance.
     
  6. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Interesting that the IAF wants air combat weapons on it's primary nuke capable strike aircraft
    I think Israels IAI with its derby already has a contract with India.
     
  7. luckyy

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    presently it's only a ground stick aircraft which needs a escort .

    thus this means after upgrade of jaguar it will be also can put into combat operation too .

    that be great !

    but IAF has over 110 Jaguars , why only 100 missiles ?
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Maybe not all the fighters will be fitted with it?
    It's the primary nuclear weapons carrier of the Air Force. So not all will be in an air combat role. It's probably fir self defence more than anything else.
     
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    SATISH DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    Well the Jaguar dosent even carry a Radar I guess. So how will these missiles be guided?
     
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    Other international Jaguar operators have always had armed them with the Matra and Sidewinders.
     
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    s_bman Regular Member

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    not for combat operations , but for self defence pbly.........hal has been upgrading jaguar with advance radar (???elta 2052) check this link

    HAL completes first phase of Jaguar upgrade programme- Airlines / Aviation-Transportation-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times
     
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    Energon DFI stars Stars and Ambassadors

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    It has to have a radar on board no? I mean even the IAF Mig27s were fitted with a radar.
     
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    Is there any plan for manufacturing these missiles in India as a part of offset program. This would give us some inputs in improvising our missile capabilities
     
  14. John

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    An order of 100 is way too low for local manufacture, offcourse there will be some off-sets but we can be sure they will be minimal. btw how accurate is the report that Jags will get the EL-2052?? i remember it is possible to integrate it on the mig-29 and mirage. If indeed the Jag is getting the EL-2052, we might as well simply order the same radars for our upgraded mig-29s, mirages and jaguars, since LCA will also have it, will bring excellent commonality and cut down costs. This will make our forces 3 times deadlier.
     
  15. luckyy

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    IAF chooses Rolls-Royce Turbomeca Adour 821 engine for Jagura..

    IAF finally chooses 'Rolls-Royce Turbomeca Adour 821 engine' for Jagura upgrade..

    honeywall too was in the race with their F124/F125IN engine ...
     
  16. kuku

    kuku Respected Member

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    Any source?

    Honeywell seemed very confident, well i guess thats the only way you can behave in business.

    Exactly how many years do these jags have in them?
     
  17. luckyy

    luckyy Regular Member

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    is a TOI group hindi news paper ' NBT' news page 12..

    the last set of 10 jagura came only in 2004 , even the oldest has atleast 15 years left in them..
     
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    nitesh Mob Control Manager Stars and Ambassadors

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    Why you are not giving the link? Is it difficult to post with link or what?
     
  19. kuku

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    In that case about time they got the upgrade.
     
  20. luckyy

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    the news is in the news_paper...
     
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    please prov..the link mate
     

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