I won't apologise for Pakistan terror remark: UK PM David Cameron

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It is only those who have lived off freebies feel that others are responsible for their current ills and get resentful. It is like blaming the British for all ills of this country including the current galloping price rise, CWG nearly falling flat on its face and for the shenanigans of the Reddy Brothers of Bellary!

Getting battered by the monsoons has nothing to get resentful about since one can't blame God for everything. After all, there was a water scarcity in Pakistan and they asked for water. God has given it in abundance as he gives India its floods. So, God in actuality is quite even handed, though Indians don't make a song and dance about it. Maybe, Indians are more fatalistic!

In so far as the chicanery played by Pakistan in Afghanistan and the chickens coming to roost, they themselves are the creator of their own miseries, be it in their Frontier areas or the leaks of their skulduggery being exposed. It is astounding that inspite of feeling that they are smart cookies, they have shown how dumb they can be wherein their chicanery in Afghanistan lays exposed.

Cameron did not open the heavens for the ISI and Pakistan. Their evil deeds of funding, organising and directing the terrorists were exposed by the Almighty in the form of Wikileaks. God is all seeing! They also agree on this issue about God. The lesson they should learn is that they should not attempt to be cleverer by half.

One wonders if Pakistan is a democracy or a military dictatorship in civil dress. How can Cameron's statement bring tensions between the elected government and the military? In a democracy, the cvil government is supreme! Has their Army inherited the Nation?

Zardari, the poor chap, is otherwise a decent chap, but then his cahoots in the form of Kiyani, Yusuf Raza (the PM), Mohd Shah Quereshi (garrulous that he is!) are the evil brains trust that is taking Pakistan down the brink! I don't think the British will miss the ISI delegation that was supposed to have gone. We don't hear of any British lament over the fact.

So , the Pak Army is orchestrating the demonstration? No earth shaking a fact. They are good at it. They are also orchestrating, funding, organising and directing the stone pelters on the streets of Srinagar. It is too bad Cameron is not of the opinion that Kashmir requires his attention in the same manner as Pakistan which is running wild and going berserk like an unguided Scud missile. Yousef Raza is hardly the correct chap to talk about human rights, giving the fact that Pakistan used its airforce and army and all its components to bomb and kill in Balochistan and the North West Frontier! What a gas! Yousef Raza is a real slapstick wizard! Though Querishi Mohd Shah takes the cake!

Unlike the last Foreign Minister of UK , David Milliband, Cameron is even handed in approaching the Kashmir issue. He sees the truth and not his vote bank unlike David Pasha Milliband who palyed to the Pakistani gallery in the UK. The US diplomat of Pakistani origin is correct – Pakistan is consumed by hatred towards India, and India ignores Pakistan which is vaporous an entity. Too much of gas is emitted out there in Pakistan.

While Pakistan flounders and bobs like a rudderless dhow in the sea of globalisation, India, in comparison is QE II.

One can't blame Pakistan for their anti India phobia. Who likes a chap loving in a mansion, when he himself lives alongside in a slum, more so when they started life on a common denominator? The seething and burning jealousy is but obvious.

America did not fund fundamentalism in Pakistan. It was Zia who played up the radicals to legitimatise his illegitimate regime and Afghanistan was God sent. Poor as a church mouse, Pakistan had to extend the begging bowl in the US' direction and the US helped as one would help a beggar in true sub continental traditions! I find nothing wrong in having mosques at every doorstep. God alone can help Pakistan and so it is a natural reaction where the population has lost faith in their country and only have God to see them through their earthly life!

It is unfortunate that the Pakistani Army in Waziristan, Bajaur and Swat Valley killed 8000 civilians. It is indeed expensive to keep afloat a country that kills its own and that too fellow Muslims just to get the dole from the US to remain afloat and recognised as a nation.

The terrorist can strike anywhere in Pakistan. Nothing new! A country that has no democratic institution and where the Army calls the shots can hardly control the population since discontent in all spheres is rampant. The people vote and have their say, but then it is back to the Army who controls. Hardly a democracy where the people can have the satisfaction that their voice is the voice of God – Vox Populi, Vox Dei!

Cameron is right that Pakistan is 'looking both ways'. They want to bring internal order and yet they also want to show they are with the fundamentalist who claim to follow the true path of religion and this canard is believed by the majority of the population and so their govt is caught in a bind. A political and moral schizophrenia! Lt Gen Talat Masood is right – If Pakistan did attack the Haqqani Network, Pakistan would have a huge backlash and all militant groups would unite against Pakistan! Well, Pakistan can thank Zia ul Haq for the same! Good chap, this Zia man.
 

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Obama, Cameron jointly scripted pincer attack on Pak?


LONDON: British PM David Cameron's remark, that Pakistan exports terror, was calibrated and an outcome of strategy discussions between Cameron and US president Barack Obama in Washington just a week prior to UK PM's visit to India, to impel Pakistan to give up its duplicity.

A source at 10, Downing Street confirmed that Obama and Cameron had discussed Pakistan during their talks in Washington a week before the latter's visit to India. It may be recalled that the US had put Pakistan on a watchlist of states sponsoring terrorism as far back as the early 1990s.

More, the tone of US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton during her recent trip to Pakistan was not dissimilar to Cameron's; except she worded it differently and did not express herself in India — always sore point for Islamabad.
While the sharp, albeit predictable, Pakistani reaction has created nervousness in some circles in the UK, Cameron has stuck to his guns. Answering questions on BBC Radio on Tuesday, he maintained: "There has been and still is a problem of terror groups in Pakistan that threaten other countries." He added: "They also threaten our troops in Afghanistan, threaten India and threaten us; and they need to be dealt with."

On Friday, Cameron receives Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari. The Pakistan High Commissioner in the UK, Shamsul Hasan, has been whipping up such sentiments with unusually aggressive comments about Cameron. In the past few days, in a rather unorthodox style of diplomacy, he has described the British PM as "ignorant".

In Tuesday's edition of 'The Guardian' a senior Pakistan official — suspected to be Hasan — went to the extent of threatening: "We've to tell him (Cameron) what the reality is, to educate him about what we have suffered; and that if we are not supported now, things will get worse." That should win him several brownie points with his ultimate masters, the military.
 

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No ISI means, no attacks from Taliban. Slowly, world is recognizing this fact.
No ISI means No Existence of PAKISTAN
The best of the best Intelligence of all which is working despite of Traitors Politicians of Pakistan
After ALLAH its the only human institute that keeping the PAKISTAN as a STATE

You Indians can think whatever you what but we all PAKISTANIS know that ISI is the only reason PAK still survive

And world is recognizing a wrong fact
The World and India needs to understand the real root of problem that is corrupt politicians of Pakistan, the US keep giving AID to politicians and you know where all the aid is going
its all http://wiki.answers.com/Q/List_of_richest_person_of_pakistan_top_10 Asif Ali Zardari and Nawaz Sharif Accounts , they both were used to be below middle class some years ago
You can expect anything from these people, the whole PAKISTANI NATION is sick of them, they aren't solving any problems, begging for AID by their own themselves and who knows whether they are also AIDED by Terrorists or not

And ARMY and ISI is the only institute working despite of their presence

ISI is the only key for the survival of PAKISTAN and the only Intelligence that can deal with AFGHANS very well
 

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No ISI means No Existence of PAKISTAN
The best of the best Intelligence of all which is working despite of Traitors Politicians of Pakistan
After ALLAH its the only human institute that keeping the PAKISTAN as a STATE

You Indians can think whatever you what but we all PAKISTANIS know that ISI is the only reason PAK still survive

And world is recognizing a wrong fact
The World and India needs to understand the real root of problem that is corrupt politicians of Pakistan, the US keep giving AID to politicians and you know where all the aid is going
its all http://wiki.answers.com/Q/List_of_richest_person_of_pakistan_top_10 Asif Ali Zardari and Nawaz Sharif Accounts , they both were used to be below middle class some years ago
You can expect anything from these people, the whole PAKISTANI NATION is sick of them, they aren't solving any problems, begging for AID by their own themselves and who knows whether they are also AIDED by Terrorists or not

And ARMY and ISI is the only institute working despite of their presence

ISI is the only key for the survival of PAKISTAN and the only Intelligence that can deal with AFGHANS very well
Seeds of jihad was started by Zid Ul Haq. But was grown and reaped by the ISI. Half the countries idelogy was stuck to it. Everyone in the lower class became a fanatic of jihad. Seeing this opportunity mullahs started preaching jihad against India, Israel and West. These mullahs controlled by ISI. A perfect platform to recruit soldiers and give them moral for any kind of proxy war.

The army joins hands with ISI to control Pak. The civilian political govt has no work apart from attending parties, accusing each other of corruption and going everywhere and begging for aid.

The only way Pakistan can rise is curtail activities of ISI and the army so that civilian govt has more powers, change the ideology by providing good education not madarassa eduction andnot letting mullahs make provocative speeches and solve kashmir in peaceful way. More so leave Kashmir coz its not doing them any good. To gain control of some area they destroying their own house.

I doubt if Pak will do either of this. If it doesnt its going to by like Somalia where Warlords rule every part of the country.
 

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Seeds of jihad was started by Zid Ul Haq. But was grown and reaped by the ISI. Half the countries idelogy was stuck to it. Everyone in the lower class became a fanatic of jihad. Seeing this opportunity mullahs started preaching jihad against India, Israel and West. These mullahs controlled by ISI. A perfect platform to recruit soldiers and give them moral for any kind of proxy war.
Its fashionable to blame zia when all corps commanders were on board with him.ISI is not the separate entity.Its the right Arm of pakistani Army.An no Mullahs dont control ISI but its the PA who controls ISI.on the other hand its the PA/ISI which use/control mullahs not the other way round.

The army joins hands with ISI to control Pak. The civilian political govt has no work apart from attending parties, accusing each other of corruption and going everywhere and begging for aid.
ISI is part of Army and Army controls it.
The only way Pakistan can rise is curtail activities of ISI and the army so that civilian govt has more powers, change the ideology by providing good education not madarassa eduction andnot letting mullahs make provocative speeches and solve kashmir in peaceful way. More so leave Kashmir coz its not doing them any good. To gain control of some area they destroying their own house.
Thats not gonna happen.Btw its not only madarssa which churn out foot soldiers for jihad even decent pakistani ellite schools too chun out many terror suspects case in point..Faisal shazad,Omar sheikh,Hafiz saeed,David headly aka daud gilani,twahur haran rana...these are some names who were highly educated and were from the elitist of elite families in pakistan..its not the schools but the ideology which is responsible for it.

I doubt if Pak will do either of this. If it doesnt its going to by like Somalia where Warlords rule every part of the country.
NO it wont do either and it wont be like somalia either.Its pretty lucrative business and it pays for free:)
 

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No ISI means No Existence of PAKISTAN
The best of the best Intelligence of all which is working despite of Traitors Politicians of Pakistan
After ALLAH its the only human institute that keeping the PAKISTAN as a STATE

You Indians can think whatever you what but we all PAKISTANIS know that ISI is the only reason PAK still survive

And world is recognizing a wrong fact
The World and India needs to understand the real root of problem that is corrupt politicians of Pakistan, the US keep giving AID to politicians and you know where all the aid is going
its all http://wiki.answers.com/Q/List_of_richest_person_of_pakistan_top_10 Asif Ali Zardari and Nawaz Sharif Accounts , they both were used to be below middle class some years ago
You can expect anything from these people, the whole PAKISTANI NATION is sick of them, they aren't solving any problems, begging for AID by their own themselves and who knows whether they are also AIDED by Terrorists or not

And ARMY and ISI is the only institute working despite of their presence

ISI is the only key for the survival of PAKISTAN and the only Intelligence that can deal with AFGHANS very well
Its easy to blame politicians when Army has ruled pakistan for majority of years and when its the army which started training and controlling jehadis and no the politicians.Have you ever cared to check generals's personal accounts from 1st Ayub khan's coup onwards???

And if you think its the ISI which is protecting Pakistan then you are on wrong track....ISI was in there in 1965,1971 all the time what happened then rest is history in front of whole world......

The thing is pakistani generals,as retired pakistani air chief marshal points out,creates their on fictions and started believing in it nation as a whole. That the reason you dont believe what the world says you are very much occupied in your fictitious world of conspiracies and grandstandings which never had existed.Its not your fault it the environment you live make you mutate like that.
 

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i was trying to say that why an officer has been killed right before he was naming the mastermind of samjhota express blast.
He was killed in Gun fight in Cama hospital which is way far from his usual sitting place. If he was killed in planned manner then why the killers did not approached his office or his house, why this place where probability of he reaching was minimum?

Man wake up do not read too much on red wrist string. You being a muslim must be knowing that these strings are used in many muslim Dargah, don't you?

come on man face it , it is true. what will india or its people think , if the HAFIZ SAEED was found dead right after knowing that he was 26/11 mastermind??????????
Speculation is one thing, backing and proving it with proof is another. We proved pakistani hands in 26/11 and if you have proof about RAW, go get similar.

If Pakistanis believe it is RAW and Indian Consulate in Afghanistan which as a team facilitating terrorist attacks in pakistan, then who cares. I will love to see you people believe in that so that you do nothing in right direction to curb it and let the wave continue forever and destroy pakistan. We will be extremely happy tasting Alphonso with absolutely no effort and investment. Cheers!
 
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You Indians can think whatever you what but we all PAKISTANIS know that ISI is the only reason PAK still survive
Does it mean that Pakistan's existence is solely based on fomenting terrorism as a staple for its survival?

If Pakistan could only get its house in order and engine their economy and spread its wealth around instead of in the hands of the select few including the Fauji Foundation, maybe with a full stomach and other instruments of creature comfort being affordable, Pakistan would adopt a constructive path to find its place in the comity of Nation.

Lucifer, too, finds mention in the Holy books!

But it does not make Lucifer good!
 

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Man wake up do not read too much on red wrist string. You being a muslim must be knowing that these strings are used in many muslim Dargah, don't you?


Hey did i just Saw Kafir hindu red thread of Amar singh on pious Benazir bhutto's right wrist.Or she is just kalavati??? is it just illusion..................:emot15:
 
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^^^:emot15: Maybe the Bhuttos are secretly kafirs...
 

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Hey did i just Saw Kafir hindu thread of Amar singh on pious Benazir bhutto's right hand.Or she is just kalavati??? is it just illusion..................:emot15:
Fantastic, Fabulous, Mind blowing....................Yaar Zaid Hamid ko to heart attack ayega aur ye pakistani aap pe RAW ka agent hone ka aarop lagayega.
 

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MOD EDIT: Ok enough of this nonsense this is not a conspiracy theory site. Concentrate on the topic of the thread
 

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Why should he apologise...? Wat does Britain stand to loose if he doesnt apologise apart from the wet dreams of some Pakistanis who dream that ISI will now tear apart Britain in Afghanistan.

No offence...Wat Pakistan can do here apart from protesting is nilch,nadir,nada.....Pakistan needs UK more than UK needs Pakistan
 

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Obama, Cameron jointly scripted pincer attack on Pak?


LONDON: British PM David Cameron's remark, that Pakistan exports terror, was calibrated and an outcome of strategy discussions between Cameron and US president Barack Obama in Washington just a week prior to UK PM's visit to India, to impel Pakistan to give up its duplicity.

A source at 10, Downing Street confirmed that Obama and Cameron had discussed Pakistan during their talks in Washington a week before the latter's visit to India. It may be recalled that the US had put Pakistan on a watchlist of states sponsoring terrorism as far back as the early 1990s.

More, the tone of US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton during her recent trip to Pakistan was not dissimilar to Cameron's; except she worded it differently and did not express herself in India — always sore point for Islamabad.
While the sharp, albeit predictable, Pakistani reaction has created nervousness in some circles in the UK, Cameron has stuck to his guns. Answering questions on BBC Radio on Tuesday, he maintained: "There has been and still is a problem of terror groups in Pakistan that threaten other countries." He added: "They also threaten our troops in Afghanistan, threaten India and threaten us; and they need to be dealt with."

On Friday, Cameron receives Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari. The Pakistan High Commissioner in the UK, Shamsul Hasan, has been whipping up such sentiments with unusually aggressive comments about Cameron. In the past few days, in a rather unorthodox style of diplomacy, he has described the British PM as "ignorant".

In Tuesday's edition of 'The Guardian' a senior Pakistan official — suspected to be Hasan — went to the extent of threatening: "We've to tell him (Cameron) what the reality is, to educate him about what we have suffered; and that if we are not supported now, things will get worse." That should win him several brownie points with his ultimate masters, the military.

Read more: Obama, Cameron jointly scripted pincer attack on Pak? - Pakistan - World - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-on-Pak/articleshow/6254005.cms#ixzz0vlqBVRT6
 

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Western media is now realizing the H&D business of pakistanis...:happy_2::happy_2:

Don't give Pakistan a ticking off – in India

Aug 7 2010 by Our Correspondent, Western Mail

DAVID CAMERON seems to have gone from one type of gaffe to the opposite extreme on his foreign travels.

In the USA he made a "submissive gesture" type of gaffe in saying that Britain had been the "junior partner" to the USA back in 1940.

He's now lurched over to giving Pakistan a right royal telling off in an almost colonial kind of style accusing the country of "facing both ways over terrorism".

He might have got away with it except that he delivered this ticking off in India.

If you want Pakistan to listen to your lecture, the absolute golden rule is: don't deliver it in India!

Think back to the most famous ticking off ever delivered by a British Prime Minister to a former member country of the Empire.

It was Harold Macmillan's "Winds of Change" speech, delivered as a warning to move with the times to the apartheid regime running South Africa half a century ago.

And where did he choose to make the speech? It was in the South African Parliament in Cape Town.

If you've got something serious to say to a country and its government, don't do it in the deadly rival country next door.

You will certainly be guaranteed cheap headlines but with a huge backlash of resentment in the country you actually want to change their ways.
 

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"Storms will come..."


Pakistan is in the grip of many storms. Some are nature-driven, others man-made. And the two are not without a nexus. The amount of vitriol that has been expended on President Asif Ali Zardari's visits to France and Britain beggars belief. Everything in the heavy artillery of that section of the media and public opinion who cannot believe that the president can ever do anything right has been thrown at him. The criticism may be motivated by prejudice and bias that rests on the president's controversial past, but a pause for breath and reflection may yield some dividends of balance in our riven polity.

First and foremost, the president is accused of not being in tune with the 'outrage' felt by this inimical section of opinion about British Prime Minister David Cameron's remarks while in India regarding Pakistan "looking both ways on terrorism". The howls of indignation reached such a pitch that a cancellation of at least the British part of his itinerary occupied much airtime, columns of print, and dominated the chatter in myriads of drawing rooms. Now Cameron may at best be accused of being undiplomatic and insensitive regarding the nuanced policy of the west towards Pakistan since 9/11. But did his "plain speaking" contain at least a grain of truth? Is it not common knowledge (although spoken of elliptically and in hushed tones) that our security establishment not only created and nurtured the jihadis who have by now turned on their mentors, but that they continue to support the Afghan Taliban even while taking the field against our own home-grown variety? If this is not 'looking two ways', what is? Cameron may also be accused of currying favour with New Delhi while drooling over potential lucrative weapons deals with the west's newfound 'strategic partner' (with a malign eye on China's rise), but this too falls in the category of the known. President Zardari and the government must have weighed the balance between an emotional response based on false national pride and the critical needs of the country when deciding to go ahead with the visit despite all the criticism. Good statesmanship this, albeit some may consider it bad populist politics.

The second reason for all the angst about the visit was the tragic situation of floods and destruction at home. It seems the critics may be harbouring some secret inadvertent hope that the president could turn back the waters like King Canute or offer a Noah's Ark for the needy. His presence may have given satisfaction to this lobby, but how much of a difference it would have made to the situation on the ground is a moot question. Nevertheless, to labour a point, good statesmanship, but perhaps bad populist politics.

Of course the president may be accused of poor decisions to visit his father's chateau in France or allow the speculations about the launch of Bilawal Bhutto at a party rally in Birmingham. Questions are in the air about the château as well as the charge that the British leg was about Bilawal more than Cameron. However, Bilawal has unsportingly pricked that balloon by revealing that he will not be addressing the Birmingham rally and intends to take a law degree next before contemplating an active entry into our bed of thorns called politics.

The French leg has sunk without a trace amidst the 'storm' about the British part of the visit. The French were at their diplomatic best in making placating noises that mean little concretely, while the British, despite Cameron and his spokespeople's public bluster, seem to have attempted a mending of fences with Mr Zardari and Pakistan. Whether the Pakistan-UK relationship is "unbreakable" or not, it is certainly important in the context of the present conjuncture. Both sides need each other vis-à-vis the struggle against terrorism, and Pakistan needs Britain for trade and aid. Pragmatic, but perhaps not good populist politics.

We need a balanced and mature conduct of statecraft, not a buffeting by buffoons who cannot see beyond their emotion-wrought noses. No doubt, now that this 'storm' appears to be abating, 'friends' will find something else to castigate their favourite punching bag with, as the prime minister woefully put it the other day. *
 

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How world is a victim ? what we did to the world ?

Pakistan is victim its own created terrorism ? If that so, what are Indians doing in Afghanistan specially near Pak-Afghan Border ? Why there are Indian consulates in Afghanistan ?
It is surprising that you ask 'How world is a victim ? what we did to the world ?'

If one had even only intermittently read the newspapers or seen the TV, one would see that the terrorist attacks all had the beginnings in the Saudi funded, Wahabi indoctrinating Madrassas of Pakistan. Therefore, the keyword is 'Pakistan'. Even Musharraf who promised to get Pakistan to register these madrassas, failed miserably and the madrassas went from strength to strength and chruned out more of the fundamentalist terrorists.

Therefore, when these Wahabi indoctrinated terrorists unleash mayhem around the world, the world becomes the victim. And since they are trained in Pakitan as the investigations show, Pakistan gets blamed.

The saddest part is that these fundamentalist terrorists, churned out by Pakistani madrassas, funded by the Saudis, are now biting the hand that feeds; namely, they are attacking and killing Pakistanis themselves!!!!!!!

It is time for Pakistan to catch these evil people by the gonads and squeeze them so that some brains jump straight to their brains, assuming that they have brains.

If indeed the Indian consulates in Afghanistan are doing something, then they are trying to ensure that this mad fundamentalism does not dirty the Afghanis also!

They are also doing the thing that Pakistan should have done, and so the consulates are saving Pakistan from the Pakistanis themselves!

A noble cause I would say.
 
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Excellent finally a western leader with guts.

I wish the Indian leadership had the same determination
You insult the meaning of Leadership by associating it with a bunch of tin-pot nation-swindlers.
 

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