Huawei and ZTE Under Investigation by Indian Intelligence Agencies

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  1. Raj30

    Raj30 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Huawei, ZTE under scanner - Hindustan Times
    Chinese telecom equipment manufacturers Huawei and ZTE have again come under the scanner of Indian intelligence agencies following a report by Pentagon that said China is involved in widespread cyber espionage. In a report released on Monday, the US Department of Defense (Pentagon) has said that intrusions originating from China have been designed to steal confidential information around the nation’s “diplomatic, economic, and defense industrial base sectors that support national defense programs.”
    “We know about the concerns of intelligence agencies and are expediting developing system for testing the telecom equipments of foreign manufacturers in networks,” said an official of India’s department of telecommunications (DoT).

    The government is setting up a testing lab at IISc, Bangalore where all the equipments will be tested.

    The cabinet secretariat had earlier written a letter to DoT expressing concerns over the induction of large scale foreign telecom equipments, especially by Chinese companies ZTE and Huawei, in private and government networks without testing. The secretariat had asked DoT to make provisions for identifying Spyware, Malware and bugging software in the equipment.

    Indian intelligence agencies have been warning the government about the potential security threat posed by the Chinese companies. RAW had, last year, informed DoT that Huawei had links with the Chinese Army. “Huawei Technologies is known to have links with the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) and the ministry of state security of China..,” RAW wrote to DoT.

    This is second such report in seven months by a US department/committee. In October, the permanent select committee on Intelligence of the US house of representatives came out with a report titled “Investigative report on the US national security issues posed by Chinese telecommunications firms Huawei and ZTE.”

    The report has warned that equipment made by the two Chinese firms posed risk because it could be used to eavesdrop on the nation’s telecoms networks.

    When contacted, both Huawei and ZTE declined to comment.
     
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  3. Keshav Murali

    Keshav Murali Back to studies :( Senior Member

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    Did Hindustan Times really think that they would reply? :pound:

    If they did not reply, we can assume that our best friend (i.e. PLA) is using them as an intelligence gathering front.

    What else is new? :frusty:
     
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    sorcerer Senior Member Senior Member

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    Its hightime nations boycott products having affiliations to PRC or PLA.
    Such incidents should be used to promote products from the local market. The move will be well justified .
     
  5. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Anyway ZTE and Huawei have gained footholds in Sri Lanka and Pakistan by partnering with locla telecom firms.

    Tit-for-tat retaliation ahead against Indian enterprises? Above all any Indian corp. having made their names known globally even worthy of an ""investigation""?

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    Nope.Most of the time Indian companies wont get painted on the investigation radar as it sticks to certain ethics. Our armies dont operate companies as a front in guise of service providers to the mass blinding trust and faith.

    We "respect", thats how we command.We have certain ethics that we dont dilute for any gains. That is the concept of India.

    As PRC would put it..PRC has a."Difference in perception " on doing business and running an army. World is already disagreeing on such a modus operandi.

    Btw, if it was not for intel gathering, these companies owned by PLA wont gain foothold in any of these places, forget about foot,..not even an inch.

    The thing that PRC should worry about is, if it goes down south..its gonna go down south faster than Kim on West.
     
  7. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    When I asked for a few names of Indian companies of any world prestige, u boast of Indian "ethics".

    When I pointed to Chinese firms charting their course in your neighbourhood, u became a fortune teller going down south.

    If u are not competitive enough, u're not posing insignificant threats to vested interests. Hence there'd be little of "investigation" or barrier for your business access as a non-player.

    That's just one of growing pains that Chinese enterprises have to face. Think about Japanese firm back in 1970-1990s
     
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    We sure can boast about ethics as well as global presence with our IT companies(Infosys//TCS etc), which provides state of art technology services to firms without spying on the client's data.
    You must be aware of global presence by many Indian companies, if you are looking at with impartial terms.


    Actually every media is telling about how the fortune is made by PRC ; by stealing sensitive information. It happens because , such companies are the front of PLA. So such is the nature of a company run by army. The army will use it as a front to harvest information.
    Its not fortune telling, its stating out the obvious.


    We are competitive enough in sectors we are doing business on, but if you call, spying and pirating data, then we sure is not for such a competition. See, look at all the hype about expionage linking to PRC. Its not fake, they are not making it up. Who ever is crying out loud is crying out loud with the facts and solid proofs.
    "Competition" is an honourable term, which should mean a fair game.
     
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    Yours is wholely based on hypothesis, speculation and wild guess, such as "army links", "cyber espionage" blah blah. Any sound evidence? Zilch!

    Indian homegrown companis, not limited to telecom sector, simply CANNOT COMPETE that's a known fact. No wonder a power of such a size is the world's largest arms importer! That's fine just dont hide behind groundless accusations for your trade or non barriers created to block foreign competition.

    As for the bluff of Indian "ethics",your disregard and breach of patent protection for pharmaceutical products is outrageous in the intl community - just to name one sector.

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    U.S. Intelligence Says Chinese Companies 'Can't Be Trusted'

    We sure can compete and we are competing on fairer grounds..unfortunately, we dont backstab our clients , stealing data and call it competition. Its a known fact./
    Sure, we import.. but we are not the worlds largest "imposter"

    US public says PRC cant be trusted


    Breach of patent protection in pharmacy? Where?

    Well..PRC doesnt have the word Patent in its vocabulary ....and you are talking about patents.. and protection of IP rights.
     
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    Indian mobile operators considering deals with foreign telecommunications manufacturers have been required since December to submit the details to the Telecommunications Department, which forwards the information to the Ministry of Home Affairs for security clearance, according to the cellular operators association.

    In a memo posted on its Web site , the Telecommunications Department clarified its security clearance rules, stating that the “operation and maintenance of telecom networks should be entirely by Indian engineers” and adding that the “dependence on foreign engineers should be minimal” within two years from a purchase.

    Indian telecommunications companies are also required to demand that foreign manufacturers transfer their technology to make “critical” equipment and software within three years of a sale, the memo said, concluding that any Indian company that did not enforce technology transfers would be subject to criminal prosecution
     
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    I don't know about ZTE, but Huawei is already very well established in the Americas (except US) and Europe. Their forte has been providing extremely cheap equipment with a fair amount of good features.

    However, Huawei was established by a former PLA soldier and has deep links with the Chinese government. The US is right to exclude them from their market.
     
  13. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    I have used ZTE modem when I was using BSNL, its products are cheap and low quality. The way they have entered our market with alleged espionage capability is a matter of concern for us and the investigations must go on.

    BTW what the thread has to do with Indian competitiveness ?
     
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    Your arguments don't hold water. Here u go for facts >>> >>>

    Indian drug patents: Taking pains | The Economist
    Indian patent rules infuriate Big Pharma

    Novartis loses landmark India cancer drug patent case | Reuters
    (Reuters) - India's top court dismissed Swiss drugmaker Novartis AG's attempt to win patent protection for its cancer drug Glivec, a blow to Western pharmaceutical firms targeting India to drive sales and a victory for local makers of cheap generics.

    India and the Drug Patent Wars - Health - AEI
    In 1970, under pressure from companies duplicating Western-manufactured drugs, the government of then–prime minister Indira Ghandi abandoned the idea of product patent protection. Between 1970 and 2005, Indian patent law only allowed for “process patents,” which provided little protection for those making long-run investments in drug research and development (R&D). As a result, a thriving generics industry specializing in “reverse engineering” and copying Western products developed in India. By some estimates, there are currently as many as 22,000 drug makers--of vastly varying quality--working in India.


    Your fair play??
     
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    Indian companies can manufacture drugs at economical rate, by using different components.
    This doesnt mean that we spied on them and stole the data. its just that Indian pharma companies can manufacture drugs cost effectively using varying methods. All these cases are debated in court and has won the cases on fair grounds.

    But there is also an interesting read

    Your fair play??
     
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    Their products are cheap because they have other bigger motives than just SALES.
    They want people to buy their products so that they can spy.
    They get valuable info, by selling CHEAP
     
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    we can use failtiy companies to eye on them

    like in gurgaon nimbus harbor a small facility company is doing work for huwaei , just insert few intelgence officer there to get access in huwaie office and flats .
     
  18. sorcerer

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    We must be already having that..who knows..
    Every leak on non compliance by any PRC company is a down fall not just for that company but for the whole PRC
     
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    do you really think we indian are so proactive we just do firefighting .

    well i know the reality our intelligence officer are not doing there job , rest all they are doing .
     
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    Well..Not every case.
    Intelligence officers are doing their job.
    Ya know.every time we have a blast here in India, we read and hear that "there was intelligence on such an event"
    These info is passed to the HM or the cops. . They screw it up by not taking action.

    We should be worried about the politicos and the idiots in parliament, who are worried to act.
     
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    Huawei facing probe for 'hacking' BSNL network - The Times of India
     

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