Hindustan Trainer HTT-40

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  1. Coalmine

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    Will induct indigenous HTT 40 planes in large numbers: IAF chief

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    Indian Air Force will induct indigenous HTT 40 basic trainers in “large numbers”, which will boost the domestic capability although it was earlier keen for a Swiss aircraft.

    The country was looking at having a fighter aircraft under ‘Make in India’ initiative which will be a “big ticket project”, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Raha said at a seminar on Thursday.

    Talking about the opportunities in the aviation sector, especially for domestic companies, he said, “IAF will induct HTT 40 basic trainers in large numbers soon”.

    Defence sources said the IAF has committed to purchasing at least 70 of these aircraft.

    The Hindustan Turbo Trainer-40 (HTT-40) had on May 31 made its maiden flight after much delay.

    The aircraft, the prototype of which was rolled out in January, is aimed at being used for the first stage training of all flying cadets of the three services.

    While the HTT-40 programme was almost junked during UPA rule, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar pursued both IAF and HAL to ensure development of the trainer.

    IAF had blocked funding for the HTT-40 by telling the Defence Ministry that the aircraft would be “too expensive, heavy and that it will not meet their need”.

    IAF had backed a Swiss trainer, the Pilatus PC-7 Mark II.

    The Air Force had purchased 75 of Pilatus in 2012 under a controversial deal but the requirement was for over 106 more planes.

    Parrikar had cut this down and cleared a plan to purchase another 38 of Pilatus aircraft. However, the contract is still stuck on pricing issues.

    Raha also said maintenance and rehaul facilities of aircraft and its engines is still in infancy in India and it needs to grow. He said the private sector should get into it.

    The IAF chief reminded those present at the seminar that there is a lot of opportunities because of the legacy of aircraft that the force operates.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/in...40-planes-in-large-numbers-iaf-chief-3007990/
     
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  3. LTE-TDD

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    Haha, great HAL!

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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    doo doo doo, another HAL bites the dust.
     
  5. Coalmine

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    Guys is there any response from Hal. Hal may develop on there own for H&D

    Trishul blog reporting that HAL intends to use Pratt and Whitney PT6 engines.
     
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    at least they are trying their level best in developing state of the art arms and weaponry for the Indian Armed Forces!thats what really matters!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It is time to tell the DRDO that they have to wake up and smell the coffee and quit acting like public sector lumbering white elephants ordered to be humoured!
     
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    Both HAL and DRDO should be fully or partially privatise
     
  9. Rahul Singh

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    Not undertaking HTT-40 project forward will mean repeating same HTT-35---> HPT-32--->Pilatus-7MKII story all over again.

    We all know that trainers are not like fighters and they wear far quickly than frontline fighters, especially the BPT kind. And in organization like IAF (which trains around 500 pilots yearly with each recording over 60 hours on BPT) it is like 30000 hours divided by 100 (maximum possible operational BPTs in IAF at any time) equals to 300 hours on each BPT per year. Now add to it routine test flights (flown for the purpose of system validation after routine maintenance and occasional breakdowns) in addition to number of hours flown by instructors for training new instructor trainees.

    For what i can estimate, BPT's life expectancy is not much more than 20-25 years in general. And even if PC-7 MKII is advance, it will surely require life extension upgrade (possibly including engine replacement) after 20 years. Since they are SWIS made, HAL is out of equation. So who will IAF go for upgrade? Surely Pilatus? Considering high labor cost as one of many cost escalating reasons, one can easily estimate how much MILKING ( you heard it twice, don't you) IAF will do then of tax payer's sack?

    In contrast, if HTT-40 is given go ahead even as a slow 10 year project then by that time (20-22 years from now) IAF would at least have an option of buying a new BPT in place of old PC-7 MKIIs -- requiring heavy up-gradation-- which might just turn out be costlier (in terms of money spent for gaining X hours of air frame life).
     
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    Not undertaking HTT-40 project forward will mean repeating same HTT-35---> HPT-32--->Pilatus-7MKII story all over again.

    We all know that trainers are not like fighters and they wear far quickly than frontline fighters, especially the BPT kind. And in organization like IAF (which trains around 500 pilots yearly with each recording over 60 hours on BPT) it is like 30000 hours divided by 100 (maximum possible operational BPTs in IAF at any time) equals to 300 hours on each BPT per year. Now add to it routine test flights (flown for the purpose of system validation after routine maintenance and occasional breakdowns) in addition to number of hours flown by instructors for training new instructor trainees.

    For what i can estimate, BPT's life expectancy is not much more than 20-25 years in general. And even if PC-7 MKII is advance, it will surely require life extension upgrade (possibly including engine replacement) after 20 years. Since they are SWIS made, HAL is out of equation. So who will IAF go for upgrade? Surely Pilatus? Considering high labor cost as one of many cost escalating reasons, one can easily estimate how much MILKING ( you heard it twice, don't you) IAF will do then of tax payer's sack?

    In contrast, if HTT-40 is given go ahead even as a slow 10 year project then by that time (20-22 years from now) IAF would at least have an option of buying a new BPT in place of old PC-7 MKIIs -- requiring heavy up-gradation-- which might just turn out be costlier (in terms of money spent for gaining X hours of air frame life).
     
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    BENGALURU: Hindustan Aeronautics Limited HAL has rolled-out the first prototype of Hindustan Turboprop Trainer (HTT-40)--tandem seat trainer aircraft--with the aircraft sporting all the aircraft lights and powered on cockpit.

    T Suvarna Raju, CMD, HAL said that the HTT-40 prototype efforts symbolizes the renewed and revitalized proactive approach at HAL. “It is important that all of us work towards meeting deadlines by overcoming challenges to meet the expectations at various levels. The project has managed to steer through the initial headwinds and now is going full throttle. There are plans to weaponize and optimize HTT-40 aircraft”, he added.

    The roll-out of prototype took place recently from the equipping facility at Aircraft Research and Design Centre (ARDC) hangar through a remotely operated minicar. HAL Board members were present along with members from Flight Operations, IAF-IPMT(integrated project management team) headed by Air Marshal Rajesh Kumar, Regional Center for Military Airworthiness (RCMA) and Regional Director of Quality Assurance (RDQA).

    The aircraft is now ready for undertaking ground runs and taxi trials to be followed by its maiden flight. HTT-40 is being developed at HAL for the first stage training of rookie pilots.

    source- http://www.newindianexpress.com/cit...TT-40-Prototype/2016/02/02/article3257448.ece
     
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    Awesome news. Now we want sitara to be operational. We always do reverse of what is usually done. Tejas first followed by sitara followed by HTT-40.

    First Kaveri followed by 25 KN engine.
     
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    http://www.defencenews.in/article/HAL’s-HTT-40-Trainer-Prototype-Enters-Production-2548

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    HAL has rolled-out the first prototype of its Hindustan Turboprop Trainer (HTT-40) with the aircraft sporting all the aircraft lights and powered on cockpit.

    HTT-40 is a tandem seat trainer aircraft being developed at HAL for the first stage training of rookie pilots.

    T Suvarna Raju, CMD, HAL, said the HTT-40 prototype efforts symbolizes the renewed and revitalized proactive approach at HAL. “It is important that all of us work towards meeting deadlines by overcoming challenges to meet expectations at various levels. The project has managed to steer through the initial headwinds and is now going full throttle. There are plans to weaponise and optimise the HTT-40 aircraft,” Raju was quoted as saying by The Hindu.

    The roll-out of the prototype took place recently from the equipping facility at the Aircraft Research and Design Centre (ARDC) hangar through a remotely operated mini-car.
     
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    Boost to Make in India: HAL Rolls-out HTT-40 Prototype

    Bengaluru, February 2, 2016:

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    HAL has rolled-out the first prototype of HTT-40 with the aircraft sporting all the aircraft lights and powered on cockpit. Mr. T. Suvarna Raju, CMD, HAL said that the HTT-40 prototype efforts symbolizes the renewed and revitalized proactive approach at HAL. “It is important that all of us work towards meeting deadlines by overcoming challenges to meet the expectations at various levels. The project has managed to steer through the initial headwinds and now is going full throttle. There are plans to weaponize and optimize HTT-40 aircraft”, he added.

    The roll-out of prototype took place recently from the equipping facility at Aircraft Research and Design Centre (ARDC) hangar through a remotely operated minicar. HAL Board members were present along with members from Flight Operations, IAF-IPMT(integrated project management team) headed by Air Marshal Rajesh Kumar, Regional Center for Military Airworthiness (RCMA) and Regional Director of Quality Assurance (RDQA). The team composition of HTT-40 is the youngest ever on any prototype programs in HAL.

    The aircraft is now ready for undertaking ground runs and taxi trials to be followed by its maiden flight. The ground runs will be conducted with the assistance from the engine OEM at ARDC itself.

    The HTT-40 design was adapted to a final decision on engine selection in May 2015 and the first prototype manufacturing is completed followed by this roll out.

    In November 2015, the Indian Air Force had issued task directive for the Design and Development of HTT-40.

    ARDC also touts HTT 40 as the first ever prototype to be manufactured completely based on a digital mock-up and also by using laser tracked jigs and metal tooling at proto phase itself. Also, the Division has sought active participation of Aircraft Division, Bengaluru which has been identified as the production agency for HTT- 40. Out of the 90 LRUs on HTT-40, 70 systems are sourced from sister Divisions of HAL which include HAL Lucknow, HAL Hyderabad and HAL Korwa(U.P). The Aero Engine Research & Design Centre (AERDC), Engine Division and HAL Kanpur are participating on the engine integration aspects.

    About HTT-40:

    Hindustan Turboprop Trainer (HTT-40) is a tandem seat trainer aircraft being developed at HAL for the first stage training of rookie pilots. With advanced features like zero-zero ejection seats and multi-function displays, it can also be adapted as a light attack aircraft. Its role includes basic flying training, aerobatics, instrument flying, navigation, night flying, close formation etc.
     
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    @Dazzler @Neo Let me see whether Pakistan can design such an aircraft.
     
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    They have China to put chewed food in their mouth.
     
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    Indigenous Basic Trainer Aircraft First Flight Likely in March


    NEW DELHI: India's home grown basic trainer aircraft, the HTT 40 is set for a first flight by the end of March as work on the project has accelerated after a firm push by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar
    . The aircraft, the prototype of which was rolled out in January, is to be used for the first stage training for all flying cadets of the three services.

    Officials associated with the project have told ET that the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) basic trainer has started the ground runs phase of the developmental process and that a first flight could take place as early as March. "We have been running Engine Ground Runs and are looking for a first flight within the next 4-6 weeks. This would be a major landmark for the project," a senior official said.

    While the HTT 40 program was almost junked by the last government, ET has learnt that Parrikar has taken up a strong case to develop the trainer under the Make in India initiative and the defence ministry has already committed to purchasing at least 70 aircraft.
    Sources say that initial studies have shown that the aircraft could have export potential as well in the future and that the total Indian requirement itself could exceed 200. India currently relies on the Pilatus PC7 Mk2 trainer that was bought under an emergency purchase from Switzerland after the older fleet of HPT 32 trainers were grounded.

    In the first phase, the trainer will be used for first stage flying but HAL also has plans to develop a weaponized version of the aircraft at a later stage to meet potential requirements in non-conventional operations.

    The development process of the trainer has involved the generation of at least 4350 detailed drawings, 1200 documents and extensive wind tunnel tests. While the ground tests and engine integration has been completed, the aircraft is now going through ground runs that will be followed by the first flight.

    At present, the air force relies of three aircraft for coaching pilots - a basic trainer, the intermediate jet trainer and an advanced training aircraft. However, with the Kiran Mk II intermediate trainer fleet already on retirement phase and an intermediate jet trainer not available, the IAF has rejigged its program in a three stage, two aircraft plan.
    At the higher end the Hawk advanced trainer is available in adequate numbers but there is a shortage of basic trainers. The air force had purchased 75 of the Pilatus PC 7 trainers in May 2012 but the requirement is for over 106 more planes. While a plan is being pursued to purchase another 38 of the PC 7s from Pilatus, the contract is still stuck on pricing issues.
    In March 2015, the defence ministry scrapped an air force plan to order close to a hundred more PC 7s in favour of the indigenous HTT40 project.
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    It has been controversial trainer. IAF had rejected it a few years back, siting technical flaws. It has to prove itself before its criticism is watered down.
     
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    You are talking about IJT Sitara....
     
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    BIG SLAP ON FACE OF IAF AND ITS TOP BRASS SPECIALLY THE CORRUPT NAK BROWNE
    Not worth calling him a patriot in respect of his title , he is one of the most corrupt leaders IAF ever had, and well he had govt support then
     
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    My mistake, I apologise. I was confused between two trainers.
     

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