German Counter Terror Force will help to set up Mumbai SWAT Team

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    According to the Indian Express German Counter Terror Force (GSG-9) willing to help Mumbai police to create a SWAT team.

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    German counter-terror force to help set up Mumbai SWAT team
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    Pranab Dhal Samanta Posted: Mar 29, 2009 at 0039 hrs IST
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    Bonn: The Mumbai Police have been in touch with Germany’s elite counter-terrorism force, GSG-9, to create for the first time a Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) team from within their ranks to address 26/11’s biggest shortcoming—the lack of response in the first 10 hours.

    A GSG-9 team visited Mumbai over a month ago and it has now extended an invitation for a Mumbai Police team to visit its central facility near Bonn. Senior GSG-9 officials told The Sunday Express that they were willing to extend all help to the city’s police for this purpose. The cooperation will gain momentum once the two countries sign the MoU for internal security cooperation.

    While the Mumbai Police hope to do specialised training courses with the GSG-9, the NSG plans to engage with the German Force on a different plane to work on the lessons learnt from Mumbai and then chalk out an assistance programme. There is strong mutual admiration between the two elite forces, particularly since the NSG was modelled after the GSG-9.

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    “It is not professional for one to comment in an operation that we have not be involved in. But the NSG did a highly professional job and we hold the highest regard for NSG and the Mumbai police for the way they handled the situation. It was an unprecedented and complex situation,” said Carsten Laube, Chief Superintendent of operations at the GSG-9, when asked about his assessment of the NSG operations.

    Laube was among those who visited the NSG at Delhi and then went to Mumbai to understand the operations and discuss future cooperation. Since then, the GSG-9 too has been doing some in-house thinking. The most important lesson from an attack like the one in Mumbai, Laube said, was the short reaction time it gives elite forces besides the fact that the terrorists did not show any intent to start negotiations which would have provided time to plan an operation.

    After his India visit, he has tasked the relevant group in GSG-9 to work on ways to reduce reaction time. Unlike the NSG, the GSG-9 is a smaller force with 274 personnel of which not all are involved in operations. It has three operational units with an average of about 45 men in each of them. At any given point, a unit of 30 men is prepared to leave at one-hour notice while the entire GSG-9 can be mobilised to any spot in Germany in four hours.

    The German Interior Ministry’s Helicopter Unit has dedicated two choppers permanently to the GSG-9 which remain stationed next the force’s base. But after Mumbai, Laube says a “transportation concept” has to be drawn up separately as part of the exercise to shorten reaction time.

    The GSG-9 has, however, one advantage. All 16 states of Germany have SWAT teams — some have small teams numbering 30, others up to 100. Many of these received their initial training from GSG-9, which continues to work very closely with them. Laube explained that the GSG-9 and the SWAT teams are familiar with each other’s working which makes it easier during an operation. So while the GSG-9 may be a small force, its biggest strength lies in running coordinated operations with several SWAT teams.
     
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    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    Hey, I remember these guys... aren't they also on Counter Strike ??? :D:D:D:D:D
     
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    EM, modern GSG-9 were born after Munich Olympics Massacre in 1972. They have feathers in their cap for being highly successful counter terror force.
     
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    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    Yes they ARE on Counter Strike !!!

    Check the attachment....
     
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    The Gaming Company is highly impressed by their performances , I think.
     
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    Good thing.... they are considered to be among the best anti-terrorist force in the world, probably second only to the Sayeret Matkal.

    As CT, I used to take auto-one......but with T, I played with the "Green-Thin guy" [forgot the name :( ], had the smallest head and thinnest body, reducing chances of a hit. :cool:
     
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    LOL you guys! :coffee_spray:
     
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    As CT, me with the SAS... as T with the Arctic Avengers (nice hoods)
     
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    LOLZZZZZZZ :D

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    You guys should play Battlefield 2. It's much better than CS.
     
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    Battle field 2142 is easier than Battlefield2. I couldn't finish even one map in BaF2.:-(
     
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    Whaddya mean "finish" even one map? They're multiplayer games, and you keep spawning again and again.

    Btw, I played BF2142 too, but I liked Quake Wars better than that game.
     
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    It took 2008 mumbai attack to realize the importance of having a SWAT team.

    I heard the Govt is set up a National Investigating Agency like similar to FBI. Is it operational!!
     
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    The problem will not solve with creation of team, it has to be given necessary freedom to hunt down the terrorists irrespective of worried about "religious sentiments". Politics has to give the way for this.

    PS: Guys please do discussion over the matter not on "video games".
     
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    NSG or SWAT of Mumbai Police's role is not to hunt Terrorists among civilians; not until some incident has already taken place, more like an emergency response team. We need an organisation like FBI which can maintain a wide database and intelligence; and investigators and agents to hunt, and authority to work freely everywhere in India without any state obstacle. And may be an elite team assigned to it where it can strike on any cell without alerting other forces. AFAIK such an organisation was proposed but states didn't want to relinquish their control over law enforcement.
     
  17. i think the gsg 9 may be a good small urban special forces unit unit but they havent handled any operation of the
    complexity of 26/11.nor does germany ever faced so many insurgencies around the country that we are facing today. i think the mumbai police as well as the nsg require good quality equipmentsfrom foreign vendors, operational training and devise their tactical doctrines with the help of indian army who in spite of their poor quality equipments have won four conventional wars and handled counter insurgency in j&k and north east for over fifty years now.
     
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    Be fair bloke. Munich was far-reaching, hence the setup of the GSG-9. And ultimately they'd pass their Baptism of Fire in Mogadishu. BTW the NSG had never handled a 26/11 like operation before either. So why should the GSG9 not be able to handle such a complex problem then?
    No issues though with the restive Kashmir region as well as the NE. However, this usually comes under the responsibility of the various Paramilitary organisations and not necessarily the Police and its respective Commandos per se.
     

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