General Bikram Singh takes over as Indian Army Chief

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The article is hit job, sugar coated. Army is made of the people that are part of our society, therefore they are not much different than us, they have our qualities as well as our failings. Article claims that Army has been treated fairly till now by the political and bureaucratic establishment is itself a blattent lie, this one of the usual 'shut up and take what we give you army' articles but said in a very very sweet way.
 

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Tough task and challenge for Gen B.K. Singh is to agree with civilian govt. for Siachin pull out.
AFAIK, the civilian government never agreed to a Siachen pullout. India is not going to pull out. Pakistan has a financial crunch and they cannot afford to maintain their Siachen posturing, so that is Pakistan's headache. Why should India bother?
 

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This criticism of VK Singh is just BS and hypocricy at worst

People hate V K Singh's guts

All the skeletons that are tumbling out were ALREADY there for a LONG time

VK Singh has only brought them out

Wake up B Raman We Indians ie civilians have been Hardened by decades of corruption nepotism favouritsm
groupism and plain old bitching

All these civilian maladies had ALREADY reached the army and VK only brought them out
 

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V K Singh will go down as the LAST General who tried to change things but was
defeated by the SYSTEM

Nobody else will try again and things will return to NORMAL soon

The "Civilian control " and the fight for promotions in the armed forces
which are CLEARED by the politicians ; has made our Generals into " Yes men "
 

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AFAIK, the civilian government never agreed to a Siachen pullout.
Dont be so sure of civilian govt after S-e-S and Thimpu climbdown.Next month Siachin talks are coming up and before that last hurdle on siachin Gen V.K. singh is also retiring.And India dont know the new chief's views on siachin.And with PM Manmohan singh is in hurry to leave his 2nd legacy in the form of siachin ,after botched up civil-nuke deal with usa ,everything is possible.

Siachen: Pak banks on PM to deliver after Gen Singh's exit

India is not going to pull out. Pakistan has a financial crunch and they cannot afford to maintain their Siachen posturing, so that is Pakistan's headache. Why should India bother?
Its not for the Pakistan to pull out from siachin coz PA is never there as Gen.V.K.singh has said in recent interview.Its for the indian to withdraw from siachin coz they are actually there.
 
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^^ How about Pakisatan withdrawing from PoK? And Gilgit Baltistan?

I think some bright spark needs to propose this in the next "media conclave".
 

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^^ How about Pakisatan withdrawing from PoK? And Gilgit Baltistan?

I think some bright spark needs to propose this in the next "media conclave".
Not really.CBMs should come from larger country not the smaller ones.Remember Gujral doctrine?
 

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Not really.CBMs should come from larger country not the smaller ones.Remember Gujral doctrine?
Really? In that case, Pakistan should cede Pashtunistan to Afghans, being the "larger country". You are aware that Afghanistan never accepted the Durand line?
 

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Dont be so sure of civilian govt after S-e-S and Thimpu climbdown.Next month Siachin talks are coming up and before that last hurdle on siachin Gen V.K. singh is also retiring.And India dont know the new chief's views on siachin.And with PM Manmohan singh is in hurry to leave his 2nd legacy in the form of siachin ,after botched up civil-nuke deal with usa ,everything is possible.

Siachen: Pak banks on PM to deliver after Gen Singh's exit

Its not for the Pakistan to pull out from siachin coz PA is never there as Gen.V.K.singh has said in recent interview.Its for the indian to withdraw from siachin coz they are actually there.
It appears you do not understand the Siachen issue.

If the IA withdraws from Siachen, it is very easy for Pakistan or China to join Aksai Chin with the Saksgam Valley, which Pakistan has ceded to China.

Hence the area will be a continuum, without any break, as a part of China/ Pakistan.

Strategically, it is not conducive to India.

That Pakistan will not occupy Siachen once India withdraws cannot be guaranteed.

We have a precedence of how Pakistan reneged all Treaties and violated the LC and crossed into Kargil that resulted in the Kargil War.

If Mammohan is keen to have Siachen as a legacy, it will be the legacy of handing over Siachen to Pakistan - the Siachen which is strategically important and for which so many lives have been lost and for which so much of money has been spent. Hardly a legacy that will allow him to walk with his head high on Indian streets!
 

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ajtr :fish:ji!!!! when you have atom bums what difference big or small it makes? BTW why pakistan is dilly dallying on visa issues? As usual double speak....
 

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If Mammohan is keen to have Siachen as a legacy, it will be the legacy of handing over Siachen to Pakistan - the Siachen which is strategically important and for which so many lives have been lost and for which so much of money has been spent. Hardly a legacy that will allow him to walk with his head high on Indian streets!
Even to capture Haji pir pass so many lives were lost but then it too was given away on negotiating table so why not siachin?
 

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Really? In that case, Pakistan should cede Pashtunistan to Afghans, being the "larger country". You are aware that Afghanistan never accepted the Durand line?
Afghanistan was always pakistan's satelite state so gujral doctrine dont keep fit here.
 

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Dont be so sure of civilian govt after S-e-S and Thimpu climbdown.Next month Siachin talks are coming up and before that last hurdle on siachin Gen V.K. singh is also retiring.And India dont know the new chief's views on siachin.And with PM Manmohan singh is in hurry to leave his 2nd legacy in the form of siachin ,after botched up civil-nuke deal with usa ,everything is possible.
India's stand on Siachen is not the personal opinion of one person regardless if he is the COAS or PM. India's stand on Siachen has never wavered since 1985.

Its not for the Pakistan to pull out from siachin coz PA is never there as Gen.V.K.singh has said in recent interview.Its for the indian to withdraw from siachin coz they are actually there.
It was not known since any interview. Anyway which interview is that? It was known since 1985.
 

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Even to capture Haji pir pass so many lives were lost but then it too was given away on negotiating table so why not siachin?
If only you could understand the strategic blunder so caused by giving up Haji Pir.

But then, the Simla Agreement was not in vogue which made territory captured in J&K non negotiable and one had to only return territory captured across the IB.
 

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Afghanistan was always pakistan's satelite state so gujral doctrine dont keep fit here.
Yes.

In Paki dreams!

And anyway Gujral Doctrine has been consigned to the garbage pit of history!
 

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India's stand on Siachen is not the personal opinion of one person regardless if he is the COAS or PM. India's stand on Siachen has never wavered since 1985.
India does have past precedence of vacating conquered land on negotiating table by its PM like shastri returned haji pir pass in 1965.And btw Rajiv Gandhi was close to signing pact on siachin in 1989 with benazir with IA withdrawing to pre-1984 positions



It was not known since any interview. Anyway which interview is that? It was known since 1985.
In one of these 5 part interview on timesnow.
General VK Singh's first detailed interview 1-Frankly Speaking-Weekend Shows -TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
 

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Afghanistan was always pakistan's satelite state so gujral doctrine dont keep fit here.
Hardly.

But Pakisatan will be India's satellite state soon.

And we can all shove Gujral doctrine into our collective behinds then.
 

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AJTR,

You keep talking about negotiating. Do you realize that you negotiate from a position of strength, not weakness? What is your status right now?
  1. 100+ of your NLI troopers were killed in Siachen.
  2. You cannot afford to maintain your troops so you had to climb down from Siachen (pun intended).
  3. Your economy is in shambles.
  4. You are getting droned.
  5. Afghanistan hates you.
  6. US has cut aid because you arrested that Doctor WhatIsName who helped track OBL.
  7. Balochistan is almost out of control.

In your situation, you should beseech, get that? Beseech, not demand.

Harsh reality for you!
 

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Pmaitra.

In addition, Pakistan is up shitcreek now that the avalanche has washed away forever the land route to the northern part of their defences below the Soltoro.

They will have to resort to airsupply and air medevac.

They just cannot afford that!

They are desperate and whimpering!

Pakistan is not India, the latter capable of air supply to all its post and more, without feeling the pinch!

As Najam Sethi in that Youtube that was appended indicates, Pakistan is a lost case to the world and to itself!
 
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