Future indian navy by 2020

[warriorextreme]

I am not here to get into a pissing match with you. Just saying, you don't have as much money to purchase things as you think. I get rather tired of nationalists saying how rich FinMin is when it is a penny pinching outfit that doesn't realise delay = increased longterm expenditure. Even military branch heads admit GoI doesn't spend enough for its threat level so unless you are calling Indian Generals liars, you have no basis for your position.

we have huge forex reserves buddy..
more than france..
if you calculate the defense spending amount in last few years and coming years it is really really huge

 

[Parthy]

Boeing Offers F/A 18 Naval Variant for Indian Navy Fighter Jet Requirement

Boeing India has offered a naval variant of the F/A 18 E/F Super Hornets multi role fighter jet platform to the Indian Navy. The Navy currently has one aircraft carrier (INS Viraat) in service and Russia is expected to deliver INS Vikramaditya by 2012.

India is developing indigenous aircraft carriers and the aim is to have a total of three Aircraft carriers resulting in two fully operational Carrier battle groups and an additional Aircraft carrier eventually in refit making India an operating Blue-water navy.

Dr. Vivek Lall, Vice President, Boeing Defense, Space and Security, India confirmed:

"We have responded to the RFP with our F/A-18 Super Hornet platform. We made a presentation to Navy earlier this year."

-- Dr. Vivek Lall

The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is a twin-engine 4.5 generation carrier-based multi-role fighter aircraft. The F/A-18E single-seat variant and F/A-18F tandem-seat variant are larger and more advanced derivatives of the F/A-18C and D Hornet. The Super Hornet has an internal 20 mm gun and can carry air-to-air missiles and air-to-surface weapons.

Additional fuel can be carried with up to five external fuel tanks and the aircraft can be configured as an airborne tanker by adding a buddy air refuelling system.

The F/A 18's are being operated by the United States Navy -- the Super Hornet achieved initial operating capability (IOC) in September 2001 with the U.S. Navy's VFA-115 squadron at Naval Air Station Lemoore, California. .

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4832

 

[Parthy]

Arrest trend of importing arms, says Navy chief

Favouring self-reliance in military technologies and weapons production, Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma Wednesday said India should arrest the trend of importing arms.

"If we aspire to become a strong nation and have the flexibility to choose our own courses of action to deal with internal and external challenges, we need to become self-reliant in critical national security requirements and technologies," Verma said.

He was inaugurating the CII-sponsored NAVARMS two-day seminar on naval armament technologies here.

Verma said India had met most of its security requirements over the last six decades as a "net importer" of military hardware.

"Considering existing and anticipated orders for aircraft, ships and submarines, our imports may continue well into the foreseeable future, unless concrete steps are taken to arrest this trend. A significant component of the requirement is for up gradation of our existing fleet and inventory of armament and armament stores," he said.

Though growing economy was "a great national asset" that made the world take notice of India's potential to contribute at the global level, he said the difference between economic progress and strategic self-sufficiency has to be recognised.

He said India, having come this impressive distance over the last two decades in developing engineering, technological and industrial strengths, was ready to embark on more ambitious ventures in pursuit of self-reliance and indigenisation.

"The field of developing armament and armament systems lends itself to this effort....developing critical technologies and capabilities is vital to enhancing the nation's strategic flexibility, and developing indigenous armament systems will not only give our armed forces a competitive edge, but also strengthen the nation economically and industrially," he added.

Noting that India was gradually opening the defence industry to the private players, Verma said the country should endeavour to make armament production vastly more indigenous and called for increasing Ordnance Factories' and Defence PSUs' procurement of assemblies and sub-assemblies from private sector from the current Rs 3,100 crore.

He said the Navy followed a three-pronged action plan in enhancing self-reliance in naval armament: by joint design and development with DRDO, by transfer of technology to Ordnance Factories and DPSUs from foreign manufacturers and by supporting the private industry in their R&D efforts and from purchases.

http://www.brahmand.com/news/Arrest-arms-import-trends-says-Indian-Navy-Chief/5578/3/13.html

 

[Crusader53]

Indian Navy to acquire three aircraft carriers in 5-7 years: Defence Minister Antony

The Indian Navy has been acquiring sea-based assets for littoral warfare, including purchase of landing platform docks and long-range maritime surveillance aircraft, and plans to acquire at least three aircraft carriers in the next five to seven years, in addition to other assets.


An Indian Defence Ministry news release said quoting Defence Minister A.K. Antony who asked the Navy to increase Navy-to-Navy contact with the littoral countries of the Indian Ocean. This move comes five years after the service incorporated preparation for littoral warfare as part of the Navy's long term doctrine.

Addressing top Indian military commanders at a meeting in Delhi on Oct. 27, Antony said, "The complex maritime security environment in our region requires the Navy to maintain a state of perpetual readiness operationally. You must factor in the need to be ready at all times prominently, while planning for the future. At the same time, we need to maintain, and even increase, the momentum of our Navy-to-Navy contact with the littoral countries of the Indian Ocean. Such contacts strengthen professional ties and mutual trust, and streamline interoperability issues." Antony said New Delhi is committed to the continued deployment of ships and aircraft to improve surveillance off the coast of Maldives and Seychelles to ensure maritime security from piracy.

Antony said, "We also need to engage like-minded African states in the Western Indian Ocean Region, such as Mozambique, South Africa, Tanzania and Kenya, to enhance our strengths and contribute to peace and stability, not only in the Asia-Pacific region, but also in the entire Indian Ocean Region".

http://www.defenseworld.net/go/defe...arriers in 5-7 years: Defence Minister Antony

This counts hmm... In 5-7 years i.e. around 2017. and taking delay's into considersation, say a 3 years for delay. Then by 2020 we will have 3 AC Battle group by sure.. Thats interesting!!

India will have just two Carriers by 2020. The INS Vikrant (IAC-1) and INS Vikramaditya (ex-Gorshkov).

 

[Rahul92]

India will have just two Carriers by 2020. The INS Vikrant (IAC-1) and INS Vikramaditya (ex-Gorshkov).

India will have 3 carriers as Iac 2 is also in underway as IAC 1 will be inducted by 2012 right after that IAC 2 work will begin

 

[Crusader53]

India will have 3 carriers as Iac 2 is also in underway as IAC 1 will be inducted by 2012 right after that IAC 2 work will begin

Sorry, the IAC-2 is many years off. As this stage the Indian Navy hasn't even decided if it will have Nuclear Power, Catapults, and Arresting Gear. Nonetheless, you won't see the IAC-2 in service by 2020.

 

[Parthy]

Navy Submarines Deal - Rosoboronexport Offers Amur-1650 Class Submarines

The Indian Navy, which is planning to acquire six non-nuclear submarines in a deal expected to be in the range of USD 10-12 billion, has been offer the fourth generation Amur-1650 class submarines by Russia. The proposal from Russia may include transfer-of-technology and localized production in Indian shipyards.

Facing mounting challenges posed by the modernization of Chinese and Pakistani naval capabilities, the Indian Navy is keen to boost up its undersea warfare capability.

* Project 751, Indian Navy proposes an undersea force of 24 submarines by 2015. India already has 10 Kilo-class submarines and has set up a line to manufacture French Scorpene Submarines at Mazagoan docks in Mumbai, the first of these submarines are expected to roll out by 2012.

* Rosoboronexport said it would bid for the tender by offering the Amur class submarines, which are an upgraded version of Indian Navy's Kilo-class submarines.

* With the speed of 20 knots, the Amur is designed for both anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare. Its armaments include 16 tube launched torpedoes and also has a capability of launching cruise missiles.

* Rosoboronexport officials were quoted by ITAR-TASS as saying that the submarine could be fitted with AIP fuel cells to considerably improve its submergence endurance and range. "The company will surely take part in the tender, and it will bid with its Amur 1650 non-nuclear submarine," an official said.

* The Amur 1650 submarine has been developed by the Rubin Central Design Bureau of Naval Technology on the basis of the Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines, the most low-noise submarines in the world. The sonar signature level of the submarines of this class is several times lower in comparison with Kilo-class submarines. These submarines are equipped with radio-electronic weapons of the newer generation created on the basis of the latest achievements in the field of radio-electronics.

* The submarine is equipped with 6 torpedo tubes and can take a crew of 35 people. Its depth of submergence is 300 metres, and its endurance is 45 days.

* The Indian Navy has already sent requests for technical specifications to a number of countries including Russia, Germany, Spain and France who have already shown interest in the deal.

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4849

 

[civfanatic]

Sorry, the IAC-2 is many years off. As this stage the Indian Navy hasn't even decided if it will have Nuclear Power, Catapults, and Arresting Gear. Nonetheless, you won't see the IAC-2 in service by 2020.

IAC-2 has been decided to be conventionally-powered, CATOBAR carrier in the 65kt category. Even the name has already been decided.

If everything goes according to plan, IAC-2 will be laid down in mid-2011, launched in 2014, and commissioned in 2017 (or 2018 at the latest).

 

[Crusader53]

IAC-2 has been decided to be conventionally-powered, CATOBAR carrier in the 65kt category. Even the name has already been decided.

If everything goes according to plan, IAC-2 will be laid down in mid-2011, launched in 2014, and commissioned in 2017 (or 2018 at the latest).

NO WAY POSSIBLE! India isn't even finished with the first IAC. Let along go back to the drawing board and start a totally new design that is far more complex. Then get it into production in just a year or two. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

 

[black eagle]

IAC-2 has been decided to be conventionally-powered, CATOBAR carrier in the 65kt category. Even the name has already been decided.

If everything goes according to plan, IAC-2 will be laid down in mid-2011, launched in 2014, and commissioned in 2017 (or 2018 at the latest).

where did you get that info from civ???

 

[black eagle]

self- delete
double post....

 

[sandeepdg]

NO WAY POSSIBLE! India isn't even finished with the first IAC. Let along go back to the drawing board and start a totally new design that is far more complex. Then get it into production in just a year or two. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

We will see what happens, Yank ! The big difference between these two is the size, IAC-1 at 40-45 kt, and IAC-2 at 65 kt, and the other big change being CATOBAR system for the flight deck, nothing so big a challenge that can't be conquered. The Navy Chief has said that we will get 2-3 carriers by 2020, so obviously IAC-2 will be commissioned before 2020.

 

[sandeepdg]

NO WAY POSSIBLE! India isn't even finished with the first IAC. Let along go back to the drawing board and start a totally new design that is far more complex. Then get it into production in just a year or two. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

We will see what happens, Yank ! The big difference between these two is the size, IAC-1 at 40-45 kt, and IAC-2 at 65 kt, and the other big change being CATOBAR system for the flight deck, nothing so big a challenge that can't be conquered. The Navy Chief has said that we will get 2-3 carriers by 2020, so obviously IAC-2 will be commissioned before 2020.

 

[Parthy]

Indian Navy plans to upgrade Scorpene sub with AIP technology

The Indian Navy's Scorpene submarines are likely to have increased operational range and also do away with surfacing to access atmospheric oxygen, thanks to the new Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) technology.

The submarines, under construction at the Mumbai-based Mazagon Docks Limited, are likely to get the AIP technology that will increase their operational range without having to surface to access atmospheric oxygen.

The navy is considering various options available with it to fit the last two of the six submarines under the project, codenamed P75, with the AIP including the proposal made by French defence company DCNS.

DCNS Chairman and CEO Patrick Boissier, who is part of French President Nicolas Sarkozy's delegation to India, told reporters here that his firm has made an informal proposal to the navy in this regard.

"We have made an informal proposal to the navy for AIP technology in the last two of the Scorpenes that will be built at MDL. Now it is up to the navy to take a call on this proposal. We have held informal discussions in this regard," Boissier said.

"The navy is considering the proposal and will take a call on it. We have some options, apart from the DCNS one, including an indigenous AIP system that is under development," a navy officer, unwilling to be named, said here.

AIP encompasses technologies that allow a submarine to operate without the need to surface or use a snorkel to access atmospheric oxygen and it usually excludes the use of nuclear power, but is about augmenting or replacing diesel-electric propulsion system of non-nuclear vessels.

Several countries in the world currently adopt the AIP technology in the submarines that they build and these include the US, Russia, France, Germany, Spain and Sweden.

Though the Scorpenes, being built with DCNS and Thales help at MDL, did not envisage AIP for the six submarines under the P75 project, the navy's second line of six conventional submarines, called P75I, which were recently approved by the government, will incorporate the technology.

Talking about P75, Bossier said DCNS was in charge of major transfer of technology (ToT) to MDL for the building of 6 Scorpene submarines.

"We are carrying out genuine transfers of technologies and know-how at an unprecedented level under the Scorpene project right from the first submarine, which is under construction at present," he said.

DCNS is providing Indian partners with technical assistance to manufacture equipment through indigenisation programmes.

"MDL has today absorbed the demanding technologies associated to hull fabrication. The shipyard modernisation programme launched by MDL will allow it to deliver more than one submarine per year," he added.

The Scorpene project is currently delayed by over two years now and the first submarine is expected to be delivered by MDL only in 2012, after which the rest five is expected at the rate of one submarine every year.

Boissier said MDL had already done the work on the hulls for the first two of the six Scorpenes and the work on the third and fourth vessels' hulls were in progress.

"The frame to receive the hull of the fifth submarine is in progress. As you know, the launch of the first submarine has been delayed. We are constantly working with MDL and Delhi authorities to achieve the earliest possible date of launch," Boissier noted.

At present, the outfitting works on the first Scorpene are in progress and the delivery of combat system equipment for it would happen soon. The other five submarines would get the equipment at the rate of one per year.

For the upcoming stages of the building (outfittings, systems integration and trials), Boissier said an new approach was needed at the MDL and together with DCNS, the shipyard had set up a 'task force' to monitor quality and improve efficiency.

"MDL is the only Indian naval shipyard to have produced submarines in the past. However, the competencies developed have seen a dip in the last 15 years.

"Considering submarines technologies, this is a huge gap to fill. Human competences, when not maintained, disappear slowly but surely. Industrial capacities too become weak or obsolete. You, therefore, have to consider new investments and learning stages that cost both time and money. It is crucial to keep competencies and industrial capacities up to date to perpetuate the investments
made," he said.


http://www.brahmand.com/news/Indian...orpene-sub-with-AIP-technology/5719/1/10.html

 

[Parthy]

First indigenous anti-submarine rocket handed over to Navy

The first lot of 20 anti-submarine missiles, designed by the Ammunition Factory, Khadki (AFK), was handed over to the Indian Navy at a function on Tuesday. This is India's first indigenous, anti-submarine rocket.

As per AFK officials, two variants of the rocket that can strike at a range of 1.5 km and 6 km respectively have been developed. Besides, the rockets have been classified into two categories -- practice ones and high explosive ones. The Navy needs 3,000 such pieces.

The factory has a capacity to produce 1,000 per year. The first lot of 20 practice rockets was handed over to Rear Admiral S Kulshrestha, Director General Naval Armament Inspection, Delhi, by B N Singh, senior General Manager of AFK. "The Ammunition Factory Khadki, under the Ordnance Factory Board of Ministry of Defence, has indigenously developed an anti-submarine rocket with the Indian Navy to meet their tactical requirement. The Ministry of Defence had given the mandate to OFB to make indigenous efforts for developing new products for defence forces. To accelerate the process of in-house development of ammunition stores, the OFB set up an ordnance development centre at the AFK," said B N Singh.

Singh said the work started nearly four years back. These surface to water anti-submarine missiles can be launched from the ship and can destroy any submarine plying in a depth of 30 meters to 300 meters under the sea.

Kulshrestha applauded the synergy between OFB and the Indian Navy. "The induction of these rockets will strengthen the fire power of Indian Navy and will reduce our dependence on foreign countries. This will also enhance the value of production of the ammunition factory by more than Rs 60 to Rs 100 crore per annum," he said.

The rocket can carry up to 23 kilogram to 28 kilogram tri nitro terylene explosive. Several environmental tests have been successfully carried out on the rockets.





http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/First-indigenous-anti-submarine-rocket-handed-over-to-Navy/articleshow/7062185.cms#ixzz17VrSeZog

 

[Parthy]

Boeing Begins Indian Navy P-8I Development; First Deliverables by 2012

The Boeing P-8I team began fabricating the first part for the Indian navy's first long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft on Dec. 6 in Wichita. The P-8I, based on the Boeing Next-Generation 737 commercial airplane, is a variant of the P-8A Poseidon that Boeing is developing for the U.S. Navy.

Employees at Spirit AeroSystems -- where all Boeing Next-Generation 737 fuselages, nacelles and pylons are designed and built -- cut the P-8I's first part, a bonded aluminum panel that later will be installed on the fuselage's upper lobe to support an antenna. The panel and other fuselage components will come together on Spirit's existing Next-Generation 737 production line.

"Today marks the P-8I program's move from the design phase to the build phase," said Leland Wight, Boeing P-8I program manager. "We're on schedule and the Indian navy is looking forward to receiving its first plane."



Spirit will ship the P-8I fuselage to a Boeing Commercial Airplanes facility in Renton, Wash., in mid-2011 for final assembly. After that, Boeing Defense, Space & Security employees will install mission systems and complete testing prior to delivery to India.

"P-8I fuselage sections are designed and built using the same processes we use on the commercial 737," said Mike King, Spirit AeroSystems Fuselage Segment senior vice president/general manager. "We've built seven P-8A fuselages to date and continue to increase efficiency as we move forward."



Boeing will deliver the first of eight P-8I aircraft to India within 48 months of the original contract signing, which took place in January 2009. India is the first international customer for the P-8.

The P-8I will provide India with speed, reliability, persistence and room for growth to satisfy the country's maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare requirements now and well into the future. The aircraft features open system architecture, advanced sensor and display technologies, and a worldwide base of suppliers, parts and support equipment.




http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4885

 

[Parthy]

Navy retires INS Vagli, India down to 14 subs

The last of India's Foxtrot-class submarines, INS Vagli, will retire after 36 years of operational service on Thursday. But the well-deserved nostalgia over INS Vagli's yeoman service should come with a harsh reality check.

India is now down to just 14 ageing submarines, with only eight to nine operational at any given time. It will get progressively worse. By the time Navy gets the first of the six Scorpene submarines being built at Mazagon Docks in 2015 — the Rs 23,562-crore project is already running three years behind schedule — only 10 submarines will be operational.

Latest projections, in fact, show India will have only five of the existing 10 Russian Kilo-class and four German HDW submarines by 2020. And only two by 2022.

Even if the six Scorpenes manage to roll out between 2015 and 2020, as is now expected, India will have a grand total of just eight to nine diesel-electric submarines by 2022.

This when the requirement is for at least 18 conventional submarines, with both China and Pakistan rapidly bolstering their underwater combat capabilities.

It, once again, underlines India's sheer lack of long-term strategic planning to systematically build military capabilities in tune with geo-political objectives, despite big bucks being spent on defence acquisitions in recent years.





http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Navy-retires-INS-Vagli-India-down-to-14-subs/articleshow/7068747.cms#ixzz17cQqrG4F

 

[Parthy]

Eying China, India Plans New East Coast Navy Bases

India's plans to build naval infrastructure on the east coast is a sign of the extra emphasis the country is placing on its defenses against China, Indian analysts say.

Indian Defence Minister A.K. Antony told the parliament Dec. 8 that his government has approved building two new naval installations on the east coast.

"The Government has accorded in principle approval to setting up of certain naval infrastructure at two places on the East Coast," according to the Defence Ministry's official statement. "Coastal security is the top priority of the Government, and a number of measures are being taken separately."

The locations of the new facilities have not been announced. The Indian Navy has bases at Vishakapatnma, Karwar, Mumbai and Kochi.

Sources in the Navy said the two installations could house future submarines.

The Indian Navy is developing a submarine operating base at its new base at Karwar along with the current submarine base at Vishakapatnam.

The service is also developing the second phase of the Karwar base on the western seaboard, which will eventually be the biggest such base this side of the Suez, an Indian Navy official said.





http://www.peopleforum.cn/redirect.php?tid=54470&goto=lastpost

 

[Parthy]

Indian Navy to induct first Italian-made tanker in January next

The Indian Navy is all set to induct first of the two Italian-made tanker ships in its fleet by the end of January 2011, providing it with the capability to send supplies to its sailing warships instead of these having to visit ports for replenishment.

"The Navy will formally induct the first of the two tankers, christened INS Deepak, at a function in Mumbai by the end of January next year," a senior Defence Ministry official said here Thursday.

Tentatively, the induction ceremony will take place at the Mumbai Naval docks on January 21 or there about.

Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri, which won the contract for building the two tankers in October 2008, has built the Deepak class of tankers and the second ship, INS Shakti, in this class is currently under final stages of trials.

Deepak had been launched in the waters at Fincantieri's Muggiano shipyard on February 12 this year and Shakti on October 11 this year at the firm's Sestri Ponente (Genova) shipyard.

The two tankers, having a displacement of 27,500 tonnes at full load, are 175-metre long and propelled by two 10,000 kilowatt diesel engines.

These ships can attain a maximum speed of 20 knots and have the capacity to carry fuel for four warships at a time.

The tankers are manned by 250 crew members and have the capacity to carry troops too, apart from carrying a 10-ton helicopter on its flight deck.

INS Shakti is also scheduled to be inducted in the Navy before the end of 2011.

In July this year, the Fincantieri contract had come under CAG's criticism for acceptance of inferior-grade steel used in the manufacture of the fleet tankers, saying it amounted to "undue favour to a foreign vendor in (the) procurement of fleet tankers."



http://www.brahmand.com/news/Indian...an-made-tanker-in-January-next/5833/1/10.html

 

[Maverick007]

We should play it smart and increase the number of submarines. Submarines have the potential of holding bigger bigger ships hostage......and they are harder to find...........My personal choice would be the Amur 1650..........Russian make good subs, they are cheap and have better bang for the buck..........Thus, in the same budget, we can buy more subs