France opens mosque for gays

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  1. IBSA

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    Gay-friendly 'mosque' opens in Paris

    By Robin Banerji
    BBC World Service


    A prayer room described as Europe's first gay-friendly mosque is opening on the outskirts of Paris.

    The new centre is run by Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed, a gay Islamic scholar, married to a gay man, and the founder of Homosexual Muslims of France.

    Mr Zahed regularly attends the Grand Mosque in Paris, but says he wants to create a more "inclusive" place for gay, lesbian and transgender Muslims.

    "Many gay men don't go to the mosque because they don't want to be recognised," says Mr Zahed.

    "They don't want to be ostracised because they wear earrings or because they're effeminate or they're transgender, something that's pretty obviously rejected in many mosques in France," he says.

    Mr Zahed's South African gay husband has encountered similar problems. "The first time he came to the mosque he was wearing earrings. After the prayers somebody came up to him and tried to take them off and told him, 'This isn't right, you shouldn't do that here'. It was a kind of soft but very obvious aggression," says Mr Zahed.

    He cites another recent case of what he describes as discrimination. "A transgender from a Muslim background died last summer. It was hard to find an imam to pray for her. Nobody wanted to. In the end, we had to do it. We had to pray for her," says Mr Zahed.

    Buddhist space

    For the moment the place of worship is a room in a Buddhist prayer hall. The room holds more than 20 people and is decorated with calligraphy in Chinese characters.

    London Imam Ajmal Masroor says that Mr Zahed's meeting room does not constitute a mosque as it does not fully adhere to Islamic preaching and practice.

    Mr Zahed says many gay people feel uncomfortable in ordinary mosques
    Mr Zahed says his "mosque" is not trying to be specifically gay-friendly, but "inclusive". He is also trying to integrate the sexes in Islam. He wants men and women to be able to pray together, not just "gay and straight".

    Men and women pray together in Mecca, he says, so why can't they in ordinary mosques?

    So far the reaction from the rest of the Muslim community in France has been mixed. France has the largest Muslim community in Europe outside Russia.

    The Paris Grand Mosque has issued an unequivocal statement. "The fact that he's opening a mosque or a prayer room is something that's outside the Islamic community. The Koran condemns homosexuality. It is banned," said a Grand Mosque spokesman.

    Other Muslims have been intrigued enough to ask Mr Zahed how he justifies his stance. "People are trying to understand who we are, where we come from, what our interpretation of this or that verse of the Koran is, and that's diversity and dialogue and I'm happy with it," says Mr Zahed.

    He also says he has received messages of support from ordinary Muslims in France.

    Safety concern

    He is, however, concerned enough about the safety of his new congregation to be reticent about revealing exactly where it will be meeting.

    At the moment Mr Zahed is not getting any special protection from the French police and the French authorities have told him they are not aware of any specific threats from within the Muslim community.

    But he is still concerned about violence "or a simple demonstration". Not least because if there are "demonstrations [outside] or threats when you are trying to get in, it's not going to be a peaceful context to be connected to each other and to pray".

    Traditionally, Muslim religious authorities have opposed gay sex. They argue that the Koranic authority for this is the story of God's destruction of the city of Sodom because of its citizens' sins.

    "Homosexuality is a choice, it's a desire, it's not something that you are born with," says the London imam Ajmal Masroor. Homosexuality is not acceptable for either Sunni or Shia Muslims, he says, because God intends for sex to occur between men and women only, within marriage, and "any sexual relationship outside marriage is a sin".

    However, that does not mean that Muslims should discriminate against homosexuals, says Mr Masroor. Mosques are open to everyone.

    Rather than trying to separate themselves homosexuals should be attending mosque like other Muslims, argues Mr Masroor. But they should not be trying to change the religion. "If you join Islam, you must conform to Islamic teachings."

    Mr Zahed says that "Islam has nothing to do with homosexuality".

    "Islam is not a totalitarian fascist identity. You should not use Islam to justify your prejudices and try to control the sexuality and gender of individuals," he says.
     
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    Gays cannot be Muslim.

    It is banned in the religion.

    THese are chaps who want to draw attention to themselves.
     
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    This is good for Islam.
     
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    too bad all the Pakistani Muslim men cant go their.
     
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    Gay Muslim --- Is it an Oxymoron statement as per certain enlightened people or signs of changing times.
     
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    Wait, I think I saw Arnand in the second picture.
     
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    which countries keeping discuss Gays psychology, benefits seriously?
    Canada,France and ?
     
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    i think you may be jail banned, Anand is not gay, he is chini rural area hooker expert.
     
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    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

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    LOL they might have as well opened a mosque with a life size portrait of Mohammed.
     
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    What!?! Muslims won't let gays pray in their mosques? We should bulldoze all mosques IMMEDIATELY!!! :wave:
     
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    In India transgenders/crossdressers etc. were only allowed, accepted and/or encouraged to participate in Sufi Muslim Dargahs.
     
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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    are you suggesting a havoc all around france?
     
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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Common in every muslim country

    Probably as of my personal experience.i find mullah's to be the most gayish nature peope.majority of them are homosexual.
     
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    How many Gay Mosques are in Pakistan??? :lol:

    So MOST Maulvis are Gays ??? :shocked: :lol:

    What "personal experiences" you have with them????? :lol:
     
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    farhan is from bannu which has quite a reputation in Pakistan :scared2:
     

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