France formally recognises Libya's rebels

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    So, basically, we have at least one country taking sides, i.e., the sides of the rebels. We need another power to take sides with Gaddafi, and, there you go ... fireworks!
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Chavez is the only one dumb enough to try and his latest peace plan was shot down in two seconds. The move by Sarkozy was meant to prod the rest of NATO into action. The US is being really cowardly on Libya.
     
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    You mean Hugo Chavez of Venezuela? I wasn't aware of that. What was his plan?
     
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    Rebels forced from Libyan oil port

    Rebels forced from Libyan oil port

    10 March 2011; BBC News

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    Rebels have been struggling to hold their ground amid fierce artillery attacks

    Libyan rebels are fleeing the oil port of Ras Lanuf after sustained attacks by forces loyal to Col Muammar Gaddafi.

    Rebels were travelling eastwards in vehicles after coming under fire from rockets and shells, reports said.

    Libyan state TV said pro-Gaddafi troops had also cleared rebels from the oil port of Sidra, west of Ras Lanuf.

    In recent days, Col Gaddafi's forces have been trying to regain ground in the rebel-held east, as well as the town of Zawiya, west of Tripoli.

    'Running away'

    Meanwhile, France has become the first country to recognise the Libyan rebel leadership, the National Transitional Council (NTC), as the country's legitimate government.

    It came as Nato met to discuss international military options in the Libyan conflict, including the possibility of imposing a no-fly zone.

    There has been fierce fighting in Libya since mid-February, when opponents to Col Gaddafi's 41-year rule took many towns and cities in eastern Libya, in the wake of successful popular uprisings in neighbouring Tunisia and Egypt.

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    One report on Thursday said that as they advanced on Ras Lanuf, tanks driven by pro-Gaddafi forces had moved to their easternmost position since the conflict began.

    A witness in Ras Lanuf said he had seen dozens of dead bodies in the residential part of the town.

    A BBC reporter said the Ras Lanuf hospital had been evacuated due to the bombardment, and a mosque had been hit in a residential area where the families of oil workers live.

    "Gaddafi is attacking us with planes, tanks, rockets and heavy weapons, we are unarmed civilians and there many families and kids were hit," one Libyan told the BBC.

    "We've been defeated," a rebel fighter told AFP news agency. "They are shelling and we are running away. That means that they're taking Ras Lanuf."

    But Reuters quoted rebels as denying that the town had fallen.

    Government planes also bombed Brega, another oil port further east.

    One witness there told the BBC that rebels were able to resist Gaddafi ground troops, but were more vulnerable to air attacks. The air strikes had also been targeting oil facilities, he said.

    'Civil war'

    Zawiya, 50km (30 miles) west of Tripoli, is now reported to be either largely or wholly under the control of government forces.

    A journalist for the Times of London reported from Zawiya on Thursday that the centre of the town was under government control, and that there was a clean-up operation going on after days of intense fighting.

    BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus says fears that the military balance may be shifting in Col Gaddafi's favour have prompted calls for urgent international action.

    At Nato headquarters in Brussels, Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the organisation had agreed to increase its maritime presence in the central Mediterranean to help enforce the arms embargo against Libya.

    But he said more planning would be needed on a possible "no-fly" zone.

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has announced that she will travel to Egypt and Tunisia next week, and that she will meet rebel leaders during the trip.

    "We are reaching out to the opposition inside and outside of Libya," she said.

    The president of the International Committee of the Red Cross said on Thursday there was a marked increase in civilian casualties in what he called a "civil war".

    A BBC team detained and beaten up in Libya witnessed widespread mistreatment by the security forces.

    They were subjected to mock executions and held for 21 hours in bloodstained cells, where they heard people screaming in adjacent rooms.

    Brazilian newspaper O Estado de Sao Paulo has confirmed that one of its journalists, who went missing in Zawiya, is under arrest.

    And the UK's Guardian newspaper said urgent efforts are under way to establish the whereabouts of its correspondent Ghaith Abdul-Ahad, who has been reporting from western Libya for the past two weeks.

    Libyan state TV reported that three Dutch soldiers taken captive in late February as they tried to evacuate civilians from Sirte would be freed.

    Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12703369
     
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    Smart journalism by BBC, albeit one of the best in the world. We need to be objective about such articles, however. What we should not let cloud our judgments.

    It is beyond doubt that the rebels are armed, in fact, armed to the teeth (see below).

    And, ironically, we have claims of innocent civilians being attacked (see below). Hmmm, what is Gaddafi supposed to do? Approach Ras Lanuf with a bouquet of flowers? Hell, this is war! Duh!

    P.S.: I am not taking sides here.
     
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    Listening to what Libyan state TV reports is a waste of time. Find confirmation first.
     
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    Are you referring to my post? Well, I was quoting from BBC.

    Thanks for sharing.

    I have a question (this is to everyone): Why are the rebels rejecting offers of talks by Gaddafi despite reports that the anti-Gaddafi faction is heavily outgunned when compared with the pro-Gaddafi faction (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12692068)? I suspect there must be some foreign hand behind these rebels.
     
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    Another oil-rich country is about to fall into European hands.
     
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    You spoke out the apprehension in my mind Amit. Good point.
     
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    There is no point in talking to Gaddafi. It is his oppression and rape of Libya or his death. There is nothing to negotiate. The people are willing to die if it means freedom. Truly a commendable people despite their racism. There is no foreign hand as of yet, it is the tribes that hate Gaddafi that have risen up.
     
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    There is no doubt that Gaddafi is no Saint and that he himself is to blame for much of the oppression. However, I do not buy the theory, implied or explicit, that there is no outside support for the rebels. I could be wrong, but I just don't buy this theory.
     
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    Considering what has happened, the protests and revolts are too widespread to be foreign induced. The entire Eastern half revolted in less than a week including the military. The embarassment suffered by the British SAS and MI6 team is evidence they don't even know who to talk to much less inducing it.
     
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    There is no way this revolt is being organized without outside help. For that matter, no large-scale, sustained, prolonged revolt is organized without covert international arms and assistance, logistics and intel; and when escalated, international sanctions and isolation. Gaddafi has to go, and in the absence of any long-term forces to launch an outright invasion, a coup in the form of an 'insurrection' is the next best alternative.

    In the meantime, the U.S. is doing all it can to tighten the noose around the Gaddafi regime. A 'no-fly zone', to suppress any active transmission of weapons to the Libyan government, as well as a limited sea-embargo is under active consideration:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=FLO20110305&articleId=23534
     
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    It has yet to reach a prolonged revolt and the nature of the uprisings were along tribal lines. They weren't caused by outside influence except that of their neighbours Tunisia and Egypt. Those certainly weren't insurrected by the West that found them allies in the GWOT.

    The US blocked the No-Fly Zone in the NATO council and the arms embargo they pushed prevents supplying arms to the rebels. They are not helping action but blocking it. It is France followed by the UK that is pushing this.
     
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    Why did US block no-fly zone? Why is it against American interests?
     
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    Obama and Gates are too cowardly to act thinking it will taint their image in the region to get involved in a third Muslim country. Heaven forbid if they do it for the right reason, never stopped them doing it for the wrong reason.
     
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    We all know here its a political stunt by Sarkozy to bolster his own position in his country much criticism has been directed towards his alleged conduct of french diplomats.After the gaffe of his ministers while holidaying in North Africa he's trying to salvage remnants of his realpolitik by acting tough on Libya.

    PS;Its the same President who allowed Gaddafi to come with his tents in Paris
     

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