F-18 Advanced Super Hornet

[charlie]

it's old so it's looks crappy a bit but if you see it intergrated it does not look bad.

on the right side............................

2.5.1.1 Generator, GEN TIE Caution Lights, and Displays. Three caution lights, labeled L GEN, R GEN and GEN TIE are on the caution lights panel. The L GEN and R GEN caution lights and the L GEN and R GEN caution displays come on whenever their respective generator drops off the line. On aircraft 162394 AND UP, the GEN TIE caution light advises the pilot that the bus tie contactors are deenergized and the ac buses are isolated. The generator tie control switch, located outboard of the throttles on the left console, allows the pilot to override the ac bus isolation and generator auto reset circuitry and reenable the automatic bus tie ac circuit. These lights operate in conjunction with the MASTER CAUTION. In event of dual generator failure, the MASTER CAUTION light comes on (tone inoperative); however, the generator caution lights and displays and the generator tie caution light do not come on.
https://info.publicintelligence.net/F18-ABCD-000.pdf

check out fig 2-9. Electrical system to get an idea

added one more photo of instrument panel

 

[Zebra]

SH18 is worst than FA18.
It's a flying cow !

As I said earlier, doesn't mater.

At-least one can't get "Falklands War" type dramas with US products.

On top of it, all the Boeing Hornets are F/A-18s, except EA-18G.

 

[Zebra]

That's what we have 100% assurance of buying,maybe 100 if Boeing says it's the minimum for make in india order.

We don't know if more than 90 aircraft will be bought.

You are wrong then....................................

 

[Scarface]

You are wrong then....................................

Enlighten me then,what sources you are privy to that tell you there will be more Foreign imports

 

[Zebra]

That's what we have 100% assurance of buying,maybe 100 if Boeing says it's the minimum for make in india order.

We don't know if more than 90 aircraft will be bought.

Enlighten me then,what sources you are privy to that tell you there will be more Foreign imports

Sir, bought and imports, they are two different things.

 

[Scarface]

Sir, bought and imports, they are two different things.

Indeed, in my original post I meant that we don't know for sure if more than 90 foreign developed aircraft will be imported or for that matter made in India

I hope that has made my post perfectly clear.

 

[BON PLAN]

it's old so it's looks crappy a bit but if you see it intergrated it does not look bad.

2.5.1.1 Generator, GEN TIE Caution Lights, and Displays. Three caution lights, labeled L GEN, R GEN and GEN TIE are on the caution lights panel. The L GEN and R GEN caution lights and the L GEN and R GEN caution displays come on whenever their respective generator drops off the line. On aircraft 162394 AND UP, the GEN TIE caution light advises the pilot that the bus tie contactors are deenergized and the ac buses are isolated. The generator tie control switch, located outboard of the throttles on the left console, allows the pilot to override the ac bus isolation and generator auto reset circuitry and reenable the automatic bus tie ac circuit. These lights operate in conjunction with the MASTER CAUTION. In event of dual generator failure, the MASTER CAUTION light comes on (tone inoperative); however, the generator caution lights and displays and the generator tie caution light do not come on.
https://info.publicintelligence.net/F18-ABCD-000.pdf

check out fig 2-9. Electrical system to get an idea

It's that the ToT the US want to give you ?

 

[sasum]

Gripen's direct competitor is Tejas Mk II. If govt. is serious about nurturing Tejas after all the time, money & sweat gone into it, Gripen should not be allowed in to kill Tejas. Although, Gripen is far superior in same class and category.

 

[charlie]

It's that the ToT the US want to give you ?

well it would be more funny to see how much french provide TOT, as they were offering training as a offset.

 

[Immanuel]

Half the price? Never. 2013 price is nearly 67 $ millions. Rafale is 95 euros millions in 2016 (twin seater version).
Limited by USN to 7.5 G ????? It's a joke? If they are so confident in the BVR, they could reduce it to 2G, so as to have a infinite life duration......

And what to say of this so nice fighter, weigting 30% more than Rafale and taking 15% less weapon ?

Let's brakdown the price,

Rafale Indian contract: €7.89 or $8.85 Billion

36 aircraft for 3.42 Billion + 1.7 billion for Indian specific changes + 1.8 billion for support and infrastructure + $710 million for weapons + €353 for logistics.

Flyaway price per unit is therefore €95 million or $106 Million per today's rate not even counting support and logistics. Support and Infra costs are €50 million or $55 million a pop. Even if we take the cost of €1 billion for one time cost of set-up of base infrastructure, we are looking at support costs of €22 million or $24 million per bird.

Add the basic total, we are looking at roughly €145 million or nearly $160 million per bird.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/india-inks-deal-with-france-for-36-rafale-fighter-jets

http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/Defense/F-18-Super-Hornet.html

For the Super hornet, the flyaway price is $67 million or $70 million including non recurring support & support costs in the USN, hence quite a bit cheaper and it finally does what is needed at lower total cost. It also deploys more types of weapons, has a reliable combat record. Rafale isn't all that better for nearly twice the cost.

As far as its BVR capability, it's the only aircraft to have a scored a aim-120 kill on the Raptor and is the sole fighter defending all of the USN's key assets, they are more than confident in its abilities. The res of your post is gibberish

 

[BON PLAN]

well it would be more funny to see how much french provide TOT, as they were offering training as a offset.

Where did you read that ? In Sputnik ?
Be serious ! The deal takes so much time to be inked you can be sure all is written in it.

 

[BON PLAN]

Let's brakdown the price,

Rafale Indian contract: €7.89 or $8.85 Billion

36 aircraft for 3.42 Billion + 1.7 billion for Indian specific changes + 1.8 billion for support and infrastructure + $710 million for weapons + €353 for logistics.

Flyaway price per unit is therefore €95 million or $106 Million per today's rate not even counting support and logistics. Support and Infra costs are €50 million or $55 million a pop. Even if we take the cost of €1 billion for one time cost of set-up of base infrastructure, we are looking at support costs of €22 million or $24 million per bird.

Add the basic total, we are looking at roughly €145 million or nearly $160 million per bird.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/india-inks-deal-with-france-for-36-rafale-fighter-jets

http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/Defense/F-18-Super-Hornet.html

For the Super hornet, the flyaway price is $67 million or $70 million including non recurring support & support costs in the USN, hence quite a bit cheaper and it finally does what is needed at lower total cost. It also deploys more types of weapons, has a reliable combat record. Rafale isn't all that better for nearly twice the cost.

As far as its BVR capability, it's the only aircraft to have a scored a aim-120 kill on the Raptor and is the sole fighter defending all of the USN's key assets, they are more than confident in its abilities. The res of your post is gibberish

You just forget two things (linked all together) :

If you add some costs to the Rafale unit price to arrived to 145 USD milions, please DO THE SAME WITH SH18 !!!!
SH18 also need some accomodation :
- add an IRST,
- add specific (and more) developpments (because SH failed in the MMRCA trials where Rafale and EF succeed).
- add bases accomodations,

SO OR YOU COMPARE DRY PRICE OF THE TOO BIRDS OR YOU COMPARE SAME CHARGED COSTS, buit please not a charged Rafale price with a dry SH one !

******
If you don't understand something, ask, instead of saying it's gibberish

 

[sasum]

At this stage, my concern about Rafale is entirely different. Dassault may pocket 30% advance never to deliver a single aircraft. Frenchies are not known for ethics.

 

[charlie]

Where did you read that ? In Sputnik ?
Be serious ! The deal takes so much time to be inked you can be sure all is written in it.

http://in.reuters.com/article/india-france-rafale-idINKCN0QH0P320150812

They were considering it in the 30% part of the offset. Ofcourse only the finial deal will reveal what happened.

but just trying to show you the intetion on the french side.

 

[BON PLAN]

At this stage, my concern about Rafale is entirely different. Dassault may pocket 30% advance never to deliver a single aircraft. Frenchies are not known for ethics.

1) Are you sure the advance is 30%? I think it's 15%.
2) It's not a contract between India and Dassault, but between India and France.
3) Give me an exemple of a Dassault deal where Dassault take the advance without delivering the plane (or the money back, ie in the Israeli's Mirage 5 for politic reasons)?

PLEASE, BE SERIOUS AND DON'T SAY BS.

 

[BON PLAN]

http://in.reuters.com/article/india-france-rafale-idINKCN0QH0P320150812

They were considering it in the 30% part of the offset. Ofcourse only the finial deal will reveal what happened.

but just trying to show you the intetion on the french side.

ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

This news has more than 1 year !!!!!!! please check before posting.

 

[charlie]

ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

This news has more than 1 year !!!!!!! please check before posting.

yes I know, I am just trying to state that French company was trying to look at this option, trying to show you the intentions here.

 

[sasum]

1) Are you sure the advance is 30%? I think it's 15%.
2) It's not a contract between India and Dassault, but between India and France.
3) Give me an exemple of a Dassault deal where Dassault take the advance without delivering the plane (or the money back, ie in the Israeli's Mirage 5 for politic reasons)?

PLEASE, BE SERIOUS AND DON'T SAY BS.

1. 15% is the norm? How much Dassault extracted from the hapless Qatar for 24 Rafales? It is a well-kept secret. Qatar had to borrow money from a Japanese consortium of banks to pay the advance. In case of India also, this has been kept secret. Not only that, other key conditionalities of the deal like projects under offset have not been made public. I learnt separate agreements with Safran, Thales, Snecma, Sagem etc. have not been signed.
2. French govt did not give sovereign or bank guarantee in behalf of Dassault, if the company wilfully defaults.
3. Everything has a beginning. If the company did not fleece it's customer in the past, that doesn't mean it will not do so in future. Even a thief by profession has a beginning in his career.

 

[IndianHawk]

India is the largest defense market in the next 30 years for all kinds of products.
Despite indigenization. Dassalt must have seriously brain dead management to pull up a stunt like that

 

[Immanuel]

You just forget two things (linked all together) :

If you add some costs to the Rafale unit price to arrived to 145 USD milions, please DO THE SAME WITH SH18 !!!!
SH18 also need some accomodation :
- add an IRST,
- add specific (and more) developpments (because SH failed in the MMRCA trials where Rafale and EF succeed).
- add bases accomodations,

SO OR YOU COMPARE DRY PRICE OF THE TOO BIRDS OR YOU COMPARE SAME CHARGED COSTS, buit please not a charged Rafale price with a dry SH one !

******
If you don't understand something, ask, instead of saying it's gibberish

There is no way, F-18ASH costs anywhere near the Rafale, we are looking at tops $120 million tops including all the costs.