European court rules against Russia on 1940 Katyn massacre

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    Reuters – Mon, Apr 16, 2012


    STRASBOURG, France (Reuters) - The European Court of Human Rights ruled on Monday that Russia had violated the rights of relatives of Poles who were killed by the Soviet secret police in 1940, and described the Katyn massacre as a "war crime".

    The ruling followed a complaint by 15 descendants of 12 victims over the adequacy of Russia's enquiry into the massacre, in which some 22,000 Polish officers and intellectuals were murdered without trial, often by shooting them from behind.

    "(The applicants) suffered a double trauma: losing their relatives in the war and not being allowed to learn the truth about their death for more than 50 years," the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) said in a statement.

    "It (the court) found that the mass murder of the Polish prisoners by the Soviet secret police had been a war crime."

    After initially blaming the killings on Poland's wartime Nazi occupiers, the Soviet Union accepted responsibility in 1990, beginning an investigation that was abandoned in 2004.

    In recent years, Russia has released some documents regarding the massacre and the later investigation, but others still remain classified and inaccessible to the Polish side.

    The 1940 Katyn massacre remains a stumbling block in ties between Warsaw and Moscow.

    Poland, which has campaigned for the release of full lists of victims and their legal rehabilitation, welcomed the ruling.

    "It is an important fact that the Katyn massacre is now recognized as a war crime in the understanding of international law," said Marcin Bosacki, a spokesman for the Polish Foreign Ministry in Warsaw.

    The Strasbourg-based court said Russia had breached Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights prohibiting inhumane treatment by failing to provide 10 of the relatives with details of the deaths and of its investigation into the massacre.

    It said Russia had also violated its obligation to cooperate with the court by refusing to submit information needed to examine the case. "The approach chosen by the Russian military courts to maintain to the applicants' face... that their relatives had somehow vanished in the Soviet camps demonstrated a callous disregard for the applicants' concerns," the ruling said.

    No damages were awarded to the victims, but Russia was ordered to pay the applicants jointly 5,000 euros ($6,500) for costs.

    The Court said only 10 of the plaintiffs - a widow and nine children of the victims - could be said to have received inhumane treatment, as the others had never had contact with their missing fathers so their suffering could not be assessed under Article 3.

    It also said it could not rule on the merits of the Soviet investigation as it related to events that had taken place before Russia ratified the Human Rights Convention in 1998.

    Andrei Fedorov, Moscow's envoy to Strasbourg, called the result a positive outcome for his country.

    "The decision on the main point - that it is outside of the court's competence to see grounds to rule on reopening of the investigation into the Katyn case - is in Russia's favor," he told Interfax.

    Poland's Bosacki said the victims' families would probably appeal the ruling on the investigation. Russia also has the right to appeal.
    In 2010, Poland's then-president Lech Kaczynski and 95 other people died in a plane crash in western Russia while travelling to the Katyn Forest to honor the 70th anniversary of the massacre.
     
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    Excerpt from protocol No. 13 of the Politburo of the Central Committee meeting, shooting order of 5 March 1940, English translation
    http://web.archive.org/web/20080505...d-WW2/katyn_memorial_wall/kmw_resolution.html

    "STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL

    All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks). CENTRAL COMMITTEE

    No. P13/144.
    Com. Beria.
    March 5, 1940

    Excerpt from the minutes No. 13 of the CC Politburo's meeting

    Resolution of March 5, 1940

    144. - the matter from the NKVD USSR.

    I. Instruct the NKVD USSR:

    1) the cases of 14 700 people remaining in the prisoner-of-war camps - former Polish Army officers, government officials, landowners, policemen, intelligence agents, military policemen, settlers and jailers,
    2) and also the cases of arrested and remaining in prisons in the western districts of Ukraine and Belorussia people in the number of 11 000 - members of various counter-revolutionary spy and sabotage organizations, former landowners, factory owners, former Polish Army officers, government officials and fugitives - to be considered in a special manner with the obligatory sentence of capital punishment - shooting.

    II. The consideration of the cases to be carried out without the convicts being summoned and without revealing the charges; with no statements concerning the conclusion of the investigation and the bills of indictment given to them. To be carried out in the following manner:

    a) people remaining in the prisoner-of-war camps - on the basis of information provided by the Directorate of Prisoner-of-War Affairs NKVD USSR,
    b) people arrested - on the basis of case information provided by the NKVD of the Ukrainian SSR and NKVD of the Belorussian SSR.

    III. The responsibility for consideration of the cases and the passing of the resolution to be laid on a troika that consists of C. C. Merkulov, Kobulov and Bashtakov (Head, 1st Special Division of the NKVD USSR).

    The Secretary of the CC
    "
     
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    NAZI pictures of the Katyn Massacre site and victims from their 1943 exchumation

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    Even after 70 years it is good to know the truth.

    Russians killed Poles, Germans killed Poles, Poles killed Jews.

    All history now.

    What about the mass murders today?
     
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    Hitler and Himmler it seem found good lessons, that they later applied in their "Final Solution," from this handiwork of Stalin and Beria...
     
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    This particular even still has relevance now as it continue to shape the POlish-Russian relationship.

    You can start an interesting thread about it. Does the US have hidden massacres like the Katyn? That should really be interesting... :thumb:
     
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  14. churchill,roosevelt,stalin,hitler all were mass murderers in the world war 2.unfortunately no one was convicted.roosevelt died of heart attack during the final days of war,hitler commiteed suicide and bastard churchill who organised artificial famines in india and starved indians to death in spite of 2.5million indian soldier fighting for the allies was given noble prize.
     
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    Historically massacres in the US have occurred during wars with Native American tribes, most notably by Andrew Jackson (who later became president) in the early 19th century and by the US Cavalry in the West after the Civil War. The history has been well researched.

    A famous massacre was committed by Mormons in 1857.

    Mountain Meadows massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Mormons were massacred just about everywhere before they settled in the state of Utah.

    In other countries, the most famous massacre by US forces must be My Lai.

    My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    None have been hidden from history AFAIK.
     
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    Don't forget England.

    Boer Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Concentration camps anyone? England invented them!
     
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    The Boers were mainly rounded up and placed in concentration camps to pacify them. Certainly there was no order to execute all the Boers in these camps. Of course, I do not mean to belittle the deaths in these camps because of poor conditions, lack of food, etc.
     
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    The people put into these camps were almost entirely women and children, and it's accepted fact that England starved many women and children to death in these camps.

    "The inadequate shelter, poor diet, inadequate hygiene and overcrowding led to malnutrition and endemic contagious diseases such as measles, typhoid and dysentery to which the children were particularly vulnerable."

    If you had family that were still fighting the British and you were in one of these camps you would receive half the rations of everyone else, and would certainly starve to death.
     
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    There are numerous cases of concentration camps being used, such as by the Spanish in Cuba, the Germans in Namibia, the Americans in the Philippines and against Native Americans, etc. etc.
     
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    "As Boer farms were destroyed by the British under their "Scorched Earth" policy—including the systematic destruction of crops and slaughtering of livestock, the burning down of homesteads and farms, and the poisoning of wells and salting of fields—to prevent the Boers from resupplying from a home base many tens of thousands of women and children were forcibly moved into the concentration camps. This was not the first appearance of internment camps. The Spanish had used internment in the Ten Years' War that led to the Spanish-American War, and the United States had used them to devastate guerrilla forces during the Philippine-American War. But the Boer War concentration camp system was the first time that a whole nation had been systematically targeted, and the first in which some whole regions had been depopulated."
     

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