Does India want a bigger population than China?

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  1. kickok1975

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    Does India want a bigger population than China?

    Does Brazil want a bigger population than China?

    Does US want a bigger population than China?

    Does Europe want a bigger population than China?

    Does anybody want a bigger population than China?

    NO.
     
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    No we don't.
    But we are not big on forced abortions either.
     
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    India's population will surpass China soon

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    In 2025, India to Pass China in Population, U.S. Estimates
    India will become the world’s most populous country in 2025, surpassing China, where the population will peak one year later because of declining fertility, according to United States Census Bureau projections released Tuesday.
    The bureau suggests that the projected peak in China, 1.4 billion people, will be lower than previously estimated and that it will occur sooner. With the fertility rate declining to fewer than 1.6 births per woman in this decade from 2.2 in 1990, China’s overall population growth rate has slowed to 0.5 percent annually.
    In contrast, India’s 1.4 percent growth rate is being driven by a fertility rate of 2.7 births per woman.
    The bureau’s International Data Base projects that China’s labor force will peak at 831 million — 24 million more workers than today — in 2016. That is because the number of newcomers to the labor force in their early 20s is expected to start declining in 2011 after reaching 124 million.
    In India, the number of new entrants to the labor force is expected to reach 116 million in 2024 before decreasing.
    China and India alone account for 37 percent of the world’s population of about 6.8 billion. Every minute, the bureau’s estimates, 250 people are born worldwide and 107 die, for an increase of more than 75 million annually.
    By the time the 21st century is a quarter over, the bureau estimates, the population of the United States will be more than 350 million. The United States fertility rate, about 2.1 births per woman, is higher than in most developed countries, in part as a result of higher birthrates among immigrants.
    After China and India, the most populous countries are, in order, the United States, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Russia and Japan.
    The worldwide population estimates include more than 11 million people over the age of 90 and more than 326,000 centenarians.
    More boys are being born than girls, but women begin to outnumber men among people in their late 40s.
     
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    1. What's the implication for India when India's has biggest population in the world?

    2. Can India feed all her growing people and raise their living standard at same time?

    3. If there is no birth control, how to deal with exponentially growth of population?



    The answers to these question may have a big impact on India's future rise
     
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    No, we don't want more population than China but we don't want to force people to have just one baby either. We believe in educating people in having small families of just 1 or 2 baby per family. And I think India has done a very decent job of this. Have a look at the population growth of India and China over the years - one is through education/awareness (in India) while one is through force (in China).

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    Facts about India's population growth



    1,200,000,000 - 1.34% = 16,080,000 per year

    16,080,000 / 52 = 309,231 per week

    309,231 / 7 = 44,176 per day

    44,176 / 24 = 1,841 per hour

    1,841 / 60 = 31 per minute

    31 / 60 = 0.52 per second

    One child born in India every two seconds.

    So the correct answer to the question is there are approx 31 children born in India per minute.
     
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    Bigger population means increase in competition for resources effectively keeping the standards of living of majority of population low.


    India can feed all its people and raise their living standard only when effective governments rule the country. India has good amount of arable land to feed the people but the productivity has to be increased from the present rates.

    I think voluntary birth control is being effectively exercised by citizens of India, so I think population size will stabilize in next 2 decades or so. Till then India should effectively use the demographic advantage to raise the living standards of the people by making them more productivity through industrialization and moving away from agriculture as main source of employment/earning for vast majority of population.
     
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    why did i suspect the thread had to be started by a chinese, no wonder it is :D

    brazil has a better chance than india
    veitnam has a better chance than india

    chinese are so predictable.

    so what if india crosses that mark?

    the same population which was a curse once is a driving force of our economic growth today.

    there are serious questions being raised on china ageing before it gets rich, and india's long term growth is based on this very fact, which is, india will keep producing these millions and millions of growth engines, and the process will continue for a very long time period, where the cycle of growth in china will be limited but in case of india the cycle will be much-much longer.

    secondly, we dont force people, we educate people and let them make an informed choice, things in india dont flow from the barrel of a gun as happens in china, so what if someone wants to have more than a child or two? if all those kids can be an asset to the economic growth the problems sorts out.

    large population means you do not depend on others to pull your economy. there is a massive consumer base to be made use of, just make sure there is a rising middle class.

    takes me to 2006, chinese members like rockdog and badguy used to laugh at us on the number of mobile phones in india and that was the time china had touched 500million users, today the situation is where china has 900million and india has 850million and india could well do a billion mark quicker than the chinese.

    india by 2050-60 is expected to have a population of 1,800 million, that is not a burden but a 1,800 million opportunities, we in india and unlike china dont consider our people as liablities.
     
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    For India's population growth to come under control, people need to be lifted out of poverty, so they can understand the value of having lesser number of children, and devote their resources to the fewer children. Right now, people below poverty line see having more children as a way of increasing their sources of income through manual labour.

    Imposing a limited child policy will have catastrophic consequences in a country as heterogeneous and diverse as India. It just won't work out. So-called "minorities" and "backward classes" (that actually end up producing the most children) will claim exemption from that policy, and hence the policy will be effectively useless, but in the process it will cause a lot of communal discord.

    Interesting graph, that. I wonder what makes Goldman Sachs sure of a drastic population growth-rate drop around 2030.
     
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    "1,800 million, that is not a burden but a 1,800 million opportunities" With all respect, I don't think so. India's best policy is to have some sort of birth control for all her citizens. Otherwise India's future could be cursed.
     
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    She'll have largest young population in world by then. She will also have more than 25% workforce of the entire world. In the meanwhile, China & Europe will be suffering problems of aged populations. Blunders of harsh birth control will haunt for longer time.
     
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    India would have had the a larger population then China today if the map was not redrawn by the British.
     
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    Well, good. But where are the jobs, don't tell me the world will move all of their manufacturing to India, it's a fantasy. How do you feed so many people when world's population is more than 7 billion by then and everyone is competing for limited resources? Not to mention can India’s territory afford that many people (pretty big but very over-crowded compare to population)
     
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    That statement is valid only in case of industrialized nations, not underindustrialized India. Those 1,800 million will become "1,800 million opportunities," only when there are factories that can hire them, a service sector that can make use of them, or when a large number of them have what it takes to start businesses and hire scores of others. Otherwise, overpopulation is always a liability on the nation.

    India's industrialization is slow as a snail. PRC is as young as ROI, but decades ahead in terms of industrialization. We have the convenience of saying that PV Narasimha Rao's reforms came two decades after Deng Xiaopeng's reforms, but then it's not like India Inc. is showing the intent of catching up. Just as they're seeing that they can get caught if they try to exploit the government (by organizing scams), they're now crying foul and are threatening to invest abroad in the future.

    India Inc is the least patriotic business community in the world.
     
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    That's very true. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh’s population combination is huge and all of them are growing fast
     
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    Population for some reason has never been a government priority, India still has plenty of land. Why India never used the huge population to develop the infrastructure will be viewed as a big blunder in the future. Infrastructure development is taking place now but if it happened earlier the economy would have started picking up much earlier.
     

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