Debate: RSS force multiplier?

[Armand2REP]

Except they don't hang non-hindus as talibans do

Oh no, they just beat and burn minorities to death.

This comment fits for the typical french who likes to speak about everything when they know nothing, but what to do you people are getting accustomed to take a bow to Arabs in your country in the name of secularism and equality.

You would like to call it a ban on Muslims, but it goes for all head covering including ski masks and motorcycle helmets out of prereq usage.

Returning to the Indian context our politicians are learning fast in the name of secularism appeasement of minorities is becoming acceptable.

I know you would like GoI to be as facist as RSS, you should be glad they are not.

 

[Galaxy]

@ Armand2REP

Do I need to post 10's of Videos in what Christian missionary were involved ?? They were/are involved in conversation from Hinduism to Christianity with false propaganda. 2.5% population are mostly Hindu tribal conversation. RSS tried to stop such activity in Orissa, so that happened. I can go on for next 10 pages in posting articles and videos. I don't think you have any idea of ground reality here. So, better don't jump above the horse.

Recently, this happened. 5th Child and get reward. lol

India: Kerala churches reward big families

 

[Armand2REP]

Hey dude, it is the people's right to choose what they want to believe or not, false or not. Who are you or any government to tell them they can't? If they want to believe because they get paid then it isn't a true belief and nothing to worry about. RSS doesn't have any right to touch or incite anything against these people or influence laws against human rights.

 

[Rahul Singh]

They can hide behind treachery and brainwashing and still be terrorists.

No, they are simple culture loving people who are more involved in preserving indigenous culture than throwing stones on others. Though it is other thing that the organisation VHP which associates itself with Sangh Parivar but that not RSS actually attacked christians. And hey they did not attacked just any ordinary Christian, as the whole world portrays it. The people who were attacked were the people actively involved in spreading blasphemy against Hinduism. And that not just by verbal means but also through text books which are actively used in church run schools. Now i wonder what you meant by brainwashing. Besides, since you know so much (of course through CNN BBC who do nothing but buy news from local channels who themselves are not free from prejudices), i wonder if you have came across terms called "Neogi Commission"?

It is Hitler Youth all over again...

By your particular standard any student formation can be called Hitler youth. FYI, what you see in video are students from Vidya Vahini schools parading and marching i addition to veterans and oldies . Be there a need and these students go all sorts of places helping people like during earthquakes, flood etc.

 

[Armand2REP]

People preach the gospel and they commit blasphemy against Hindutva is the crime and RSS incites the punishment...

 

[Rahul Singh]

Anything happens to and against Minority and it's always RSS! And no body cares a bit when Christian missionary fuel and fund terrorism and separatism in various parts of India. How funny! Fact is, RSS is so big and has man power that if it wanted and wants then by the means of force it can achieve whatever so-called secular believe is their goals.

 

[Zebra]

Orissa killing of hindu saint, missionaries exposed - 1 - Oriya Videos, Orissa Videos, Bhajan Videos, Adhunik Videos, album videos, movie, sambalpuri, jatra videos

It is sad that even after independence hindu saints are being killed, jailed or are being disrespected by media and other puppets of missionaries. It is time to wake up and get united. Swami Lakshmanand ji was killed on the auspicious day of Janmasthami. Two christians arrested for murdering Swami Lakshmanand ji Orissa arrests 2 Christians for Hindu leader's murder | Reuters Congress Christian MP masterminded the killing of Hindu Swami: Net closes in on Cong MP for Orissa swami’s murder - Indian Express If you are totally unaware of atrocities on Hindus in India by terrorists and missionaries, visit following sites. The news related to atrocities on hindus won't be published by Anti-Hindu and foreign funded Indian Media.

 

[KS]

Hey dude, it is the people's right to choose what they want to believe or not, false or not. Who are you or any government to tell them they can't? If they want to believe because they get paid then it isn't a true belief and nothing to worry about. RSS doesn't have any right to touch or incite anything against these people or influence laws against human rights.

People can believe in whatever they can and Propagation of religion is permitted under the Indian consititution, AS LONG AS they dont indulge in market conversion where they are paid money to convert, Hinduism is derided as a satanic pagan cult and hindu gods are attacked as demons and paracetamol is given as Jesus' miracle formulation to cure common cold with the caveat those tribes convert.

Dude for god sake you should be ashamed of these activities which are nothing but 'whoring' your religion by these pimps who masquerade as pastors... ofcourse when the people get to know the truth they feel cheated for being taken on a ride by these pimps and naturally beat the living daylights out of them...

anything surprising..?

 

[A chauhan]

RSS has evolved as an answer to long period of Muslim and Christian rule where Hinduism received grave injuries. Forceful conversions of Hindus by Muslims and later treacherous conversions of Hindus by Christians who gave a great amount of money for conversions, forced Hindus to protect their religion, unlike Muslims and Christians Hindus never rejected their Gods nor they sent any missionaries for forceful or treacherous conversions, and so the fact remains that Christianity and Islam both are foreign Religions. But Hindus only wanted to protect Hinduism and in the modern Pseudo-Secular Society and Government (anti-Hindu-secularism) it is not possible to achieve any of its goal without being little strict on the principles of Hinduism. And that strictness has brought some unjustifiable criticism of RSS; until a person understands the Historical background of Hinduism and how it received injuries from foreign religions of invaders like Islam and Christianity, he is not eligible to post any sh!tty arguments against RSS or any Hindu organisations.

Oh no, they just beat and burn minorities to death.

Lol! 56 RSS members were burnt alive in a coach of Sabarmati Express in Gujrat by Muslim Mob. And IMO Babri incident was inevitable and just.

 

[SPIEZ]

Hey dude, it is the people's right to choose what they want to believe or not, false or not. Who are you or any government to tell them they can't? If they want to believe because they get paid then it isn't a true belief and nothing to worry about. RSS doesn't have any right to touch or incite anything against these people or influence laws against human rights.

My dear Arrmand go and check you own country for atrocities against minorities or majorities

Anti France Religion Law Petition

[SIZE=+1]To: French Parliment[/SIZE] PARIS, November 29 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – As a French school has irreversibly expelled a Muslim girl for refusing to take off her hijab, French Premier Jean-Pierre Raffarin secured Friday, November 28, a majority approval of his ruling party to pass a bill banning the Muslim headscarf in public schools.

He reiterated determination to introduce a bill that would "explicitly ban the ostentatious wearing of any political or religious sign" in public schools – a reference to hijab - to the parliament, which is dominated by his Union Pour un Movement Populaire (UMP) party.
Getting the approval of 90\% of UMP delegates at Friday's meeting near Paris, Raffarin argued the mooted motion was designed to "defend secularism and protect all women from fundamentalist pressures".
"That is the main point. This is not about religion, it's about lifting constraints on women," he claimed.
Shortly after the meeting, the office of the prime minister said Raffarin was speaking as head of the parliamentary majority, and that his address did not constitute a "government decision".
In May, Raffarin did not rule out passing a law to ban Muslim girls from wearing hijab to allow secularism restore its strength in the European country.

French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has long opposed such a law, warning it would provoke a backlash among Muslims, who would view it as an "insult and punishment".
But during Friday's debate he appeared to have given some compromise.
"If we can agree on a bill that in one way or another said: We do not want ostentatious religious signs in state schools, government offices or public hospitals - then I agree," said Sarkozy.
French President Jacques Chirac had set up a commission in July to rule on whether new legislation was needed to handle a growing debate over religion in schools, particularly Muslim schoolgirls wearing hijab.
The commission is expected to submit its report to the president by the end of this year after questioning a number of ministers and representatives of French non-governmental organizations (NGOs) and various syndicates.
Expelled

In a related development, a disciplinary council at Charles-Walch de Thann school, north of France, decided to expel 12-year-old Hilal, of Turkish origin, from school.
It claimed the girl failed to respect the school's in-law by insisting to wear clothes "of ostentatious religious sign on purpose to harass her colleagues, which runs counter to the secular nature of the school".
Hilal was temporarily prevented from attending classes on September 29, just four weeks after the beginning of the school year.
On October 10, she was irreversibly denied access to the school, prompting her mother to get a written statement from the school's administration on the expulsion incident.

Following Friday's decision, Hilal's family filed a lawsuit against the school before Strasbourg Court, north of France.
The preamble of the lawsuit said that the Muslim family had tried in vain to end the row cordially with the school, including the wearing of the bandana as an alternative for the hijab.
In October, Sarkozy suggested replacing the hijab with a bandana, arguing that this could serve as "a middle ground" for the thorny issue of hijab in France.

In September, two Muslim sisters were expelled from Henri Wallon lycee school in the Paris northern suburb of Aubervilliers for wearing hijab.
Separately, an appeal court in the French southern city of Lyon ordered that a Muslim employee to be reinstated to her work after she was "unjustifiably" expelled form a transport company for wearing hijab

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On December 17th, French President Jacques Chirac, in a televised speech supported a ban on the hijab (a religiously-mandated head scarf worn by Muslim women) in state-run schools.
France's estimated Muslim population of 5 million to 7 million has been left shocked and dismayed by the President's announcement, and many are taking to the streets in large-scale protests and demonstrations. Support for the Muslims of France has been felt all over the world; and January 17th has been set as a day of worldwide protest against the actions of the French government.

 

[SPIEZ]

Hey dude, it is the people's right to choose what they want to believe or not, false or not. Who are you or any government to tell them they can't? If they want to believe because they get paid then it isn't a true belief and nothing to worry about. RSS doesn't have any right to touch or incite anything against these people or influence laws against human rights.

Also before you speak, I would kindly consider you to think about the following

Persecution of Hindus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[h=5]Jammu and Kashmir[/h]
A Kashmiri child, killed along with several others to eliminate Kashmir Pundits via "Systematic efforts" and violent methods.


Kashmiri militants have engaged in attacks on Hindu pilgrims in both Kashmir and neighboring Jammu. Kashmiri militants have attacked Hindus in the region, as well as moderate Muslims suspected of siding with India. Kashmiri Pandit Hindus, who have been residents of Kashmir for centuries, have been ethnically cleansed from Kashmir by Islamic militants.[SUP][78][/SUP][SUP][79][/SUP] In particular, the Wandhama Massacre in 1998 was an incident in which 24 Kashmiri Hindus were gunned down by Islamists disguised as Indian soldiers. In 1998 Prankote massacre, 26 Kashmiri Hindus were beheaded by Islamist militants after their denial of converting into Islam. Many Kashmiri Hindus have been killed and thousands of children orphaned over the course of the conflict in Kashmir.

 

[SPIEZ]

I would also like you to see this

[h=5]Northeast India[/h] In Northeastern India, especially in Nagaland, Hindus are not able to celebrate Durga Puja and other essential festivals due to harassment and killing by Christian terrorist groups. In Tripura,[SUP][80][/SUP] the NLFT, "National Liberation Front of Tripura", has targeted Swamis and temples for attacks. They are known to have forcefully converted Hindus to Christianity.[SUP][81][/SUP][SUP][82][/SUP] The Baptist Church of Tripura is alleged to have supplied the NLFT with arms and financial support and to have encouraged the murder of Hindus, particularly infants.[SUP][83][/SUP]

In Assam, members of the primarily Christian Hmar ethnic group have placed bloodstained crosses in temples and forced Hindus to convert at gunpoint.[SUP][84][/SUP]

 

[SPIEZ]

[h=4]Italy[/h] In Italy, Hinduism is not recognized as a religion, and during Durga Puja celebrations, the Italian police shut down a previously approved Durga Puja celebration in Rome. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus#cite_note-151

 

[SPIEZ]

[h=4]Trinidad & Tobago[/h] During the initial decades of Indian indenture, Indian cultural forms were met with either contempt or indifference by the Christian majority.[SUP][166][/SUP] Hindus have made many contributions to Trinidad history and culture even though the state historically regarded Hindus as second class citizens. Hindus in Trinidad struggled over the granting of adult franchise, the Hindu marriage bill, the divorce bill, cremation ordinance, and others.[SUP][166][/SUP] After Trinidad's independence from colonial rule, Hindus were marginalized by the African based People's National Movement. The opposing party, the People's Democratic party, was portrayed as a "Hindu group", and Hindus were castigated as a "recalcitrant and hostile minority".[SUP][166][/SUP] The displacement of PNM from power in 1985 would improve the situation.
Intensified protests over the course of the 1980s led to an improvement in the state's attitudes towards Hindus.[SUP][166][/SUP] The divergence of some of the fundamental aspects of local Hindu culture, the segregation of the Hindu community from Trinidad, and the disinclination to risk erasing the more fundamental aspects of what had been constructed as "Trinidad Hinduism" in which the identity of the group had been rooted, would often generate dissension when certain dimensions of Hindu culture came into contact with the State. While the incongruences continue to generate debate, and often conflict, it is now tempered with growing awareness and consideration on the part of the state to the Hindu minority.[SUP][166][/SUP] Hindus have been also been subjected to persistent proselytization by Christian missionaries.[SUP][167][/SUP] Specifically the evangelical and Pentecostal Christians. Such activities reflect racial tensions that at times arise between the Christianized Afro-Trinidadian and Hindu Indo-Trinidadian communities

 

[SPIEZ]

[h=3]20th Century Church Atrocities[/h]

• Catholic extermination camps
  Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
  
  In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]
• Catholic terror in Vietnam
  In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
  
  Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
  
  The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
• • "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."

Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].

To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life....
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• Rwanda Massacres
  In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.

For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:

"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.

According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]
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As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end....

 

[balai_c]

Armand is turning out to be a real pain in the ass ,and a world class troll. DFI is really tolerant. Had this been BR, he really would have been kicked out a long time ago. We have really drifted a long way from our desired topic.

 

[Daredevil]

Thread closed. These days no debate on DFI stays on topic, eventually everything ends up in religious bashing.