Comac set to deliver China's first passenger jets

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    Comac set to deliver China's first passenger jets

    SHANGHAI -- A state-owned aircraft maker said Wednesday it is ready to deliver China's first homegrown regional airliner and should complete a bigger plane in 2018.

    The first two of the ARJ21-700 regional jets have been completed for a Chinese carrier, Chengdu Airlines, and are coming to the end of the certification process, according to Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China Ltd. The company said it has 252 orders.

    China launched the ARJ21 project in 2002 in an attempt to break into the Western-dominated aircraft market. The plane was promised for 2007 but delivery was pushed back due to technical problems.

    China is expected to become one of the world's biggest aircraft markets over the next two decades. Boeing Co. forecasts total demand at 5,580 planes worth a total of US$780 billion.

    The ARJ21-700 can seat 78 to 90 passengers depending on its configuration, with a range of 2,225 to 3,700 kilometers (1,300 miles to 2,300 miles). Comac said it successfully completed test flights in North America in March and April and has flown 13,000 kilometers.

    The company is targeting China's domestic market and flights to Southeast Asia.

    “We first want to develop our business in China and then gradually we will go to the international market,” Comac executive Tian Min told reporters at Comac's assembly and manufacturing center in Shanghai.

    Comac's larger C919 is a single-aisle jet meant to compete with Boeing and Airbus Industries. It can seat up to 168 passengers and has a planned range of 4,000 to 5,100 kilometers (2,500 to 3,200 miles).

    The C919 is an official initiative “for China to re-capture the value in aircraft manufacturing that currently goes offshore to Airbus and Boeing,” said industry analyst Will Horton of CAPA Centre for Aviation. “With such a large objective, accomplishments will come gradually.”

    The company has received 400 orders from 16 customers, including aircraft leasing company GE Capital Aviation Services. Low cost carrier Ryanair and British airlines have signed memorandums of understanding about their intention to purchase planes, Tian said.

    He wouldn't disclose price but said developers were focused on controlling costs.

    Most orders have come from China's state-owned airline industry under government instructions to support the program.

    “Global aviation remains pessimistic on the C919, given the ARJ21 delays,” said Horton.

    On May 15, the first front fuselage of a C919 was delivered by a supplier to Comac, Tian said. He said the plane will be assembled in the second half of 2014, its maiden flight is due at the end of 2015 and the first delivery to a customer is slated for 2018.

    Longer term, Comac is cooperating with Russia to build a next-generation wide-body plane. The two sides signed a memorandum of understanding on Tuesday during Russian President Vladimir Putin's visit to China. Tian said Comac is working on a feasibility study with Russia.

    From its beginning in 2008, Comac has focused on developing the two passenger planes. It has grown from 3,800 employees to 8,300.

    Earlier news reports said the C919 maiden flight was due in 2014, with delivery in 2016. Tian said those reports were wrong, and Comac always planned for its maiden flight to be 90 months from the project launch.
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    It is quite an achievement for China.

    And soon will be competing with Boeing and Airbus!

    The only dampener is that it is cooperating with Russia for a wide body airliner.

    Russian commercial aircraft are not really very reliable.

    But then, three cheers!
     
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    China Faces Several Obstacles to Building Successful Domestic Commercial Aircraft Industry | RAND
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    China's investment of billions of dollars in a domestic commercial aviation industry has yet to result in a commercially viable aircraft and is unlikely to do so for the foreseeable future, according to a new RAND Corporation study.

    Efforts by the Commercial Aviation Corporation of China (COMAC), the Chinese government's effort to compete with aircraft manufacturers Boeing and Airbus, to construct new commercial aircraft have been hindered by problems in systems integration. An earlier regional aircraft has yet to obtain Chinese air certification.

    COMAC is in the process of designing a narrow-bodied commercial jet, the C919. But by the time the aircraft is ready for production, COMAC will face stiff competition from new Boeing and Airbus models, and will face pricing competition from used Boeing and Airbus aircraft, the study finds.

    “The Chinese government sees designing and manufacturing passenger jets as an important indicator of the nation's advanced technological capabilities,” said Keith Crane, director of the RAND Environment, Energy, and Economic Development Program and co-author of the report. “What they have found is that the commercial aviation sector is a highly competitive market, and that large passenger aircraft are difficult to build to international standards.”

    Until recently, production in China's aircraft manufacturing industry was limited almost exclusively to serving the Chinese military. Consequently, almost all of China's commercial aircraft have been imported from foreign manufacturers.

    The Chinese government has adopted a strategy of first engaging in domestic production and assembly using foreign designs, then developing its own designs with foreign assistance, culminating in development of a commercial aircraft without foreign assistance.

    In 2008, the government consolidated its efforts by setting up a new state-owned commercial aircraft manufacturing company, COMAC, to build two domestic aircraft: a regional jet, the ARJ-21, already under development, and a narrow-bodied aircraft, the C919.

    The RAND study finds that China's indigenous commercial aviation manufacturing industry has more than doubled output between 2005 and 2010, while becoming increasingly technologically sophisticated. However, industry output remains a very small share of China's total industrial output, just 0.17 percent in 2010. Moreover, China's share of the world export market for commercial aviation products also remains small, just 1.3 percent in 2011.

    “Even when these planes are fully realized, they are not likely to be competitive with commercial aircraft now available,” said Scott Harold, a report co-author and an associate political scientist at RAND, a nonprofit research organization. “The Chinese government will then need to face a decision of whether to spend billions more to develop a new round of planes that may or may not be competitive.”

    Researchers say that foreign aerospace companies are willing to invest in China because they can cultivate a competitive source for aircraft parts and generate sales to Chinese airlines. However, these companies are wary of losing their intellectual property and technology to the Chinese government, which would in turn use the technology to enhance China's aerospace industry.

    The study offers several key recommendations to trade policy makers in the United States and the European Union to address potential trade issues stemming from Chinese government support for its commercial aviation manufacturing industry, including:

    “If the Chinese government wishes to fully integrate into the global commercial aviation manufacturing industry, it may wish to consider changing its current policies to create a more-equitable business environment for foreign and Chinese commercial aviation manufacturers,” Crane said.

    Researchers suggest that China forego its goal of creating an aerospace “national champion,” and instead focus on general aviation, where it is more likely to succeed building smaller aircraft for private or charter use.

    The report, “The Effectiveness of China's Industrial Policies in Commercial Aviation Manufacturing,” can be found at RAND Corporation Provides Objective Research Services and Public Policy Analysis | RAND. Other co-authors are David Yang, Samuel K. Berkowitz and Xiao Wang.

    The report was funded by RAND donors and conducted within the RAND Environment, Energy, and Economic Development Program, part of RAND Justice, Infrastructure, and Environment division. The program addresses topics relating to environmental quality and regulation, water and energy resources and systems, climate, natural hazards and disasters, and economic development, both domestically and internationally.
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    airliners are low technology
    any country can make one if they want
    China is only wasting money
     
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    If it were so easy to make, why is there a duopoly? Its a private venture and seems to be on the right path. There needs to be more competition in this sector. However, the competition should be for better amenities and safety standards and not price.
     
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    as long as chinese master it,any tech allways sudddenlly become"low tech", from spaceships,stealth aircraft,smartphone ,bulltin train to airjet.
     
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    good one, thats not significant as chineese already design, and manufacture their fighter jets. the important thing is engine
     
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    Chinese are known as tech and price killers of everything almost, crushing monopoly and making "mysterious high-end" stuffs affordable.

    Even Boeing and Airbus had to set upJV factories in China to make parts for assembly



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    Agreed.

    While subsidies are an aggressive way to kill the opponents' industrial base, one has to admit much of the western produced goods are extremely overpriced.

    PRC will face embargoes in the guise of WTO and all kinds of other excuses. We Indians have been at the receiving end with our food security concerns.

    I say kudos to PRC and I wish all success to Comac. Hopefully, someday, India will also produce its own civil airliners, like Comac, and give it a healthy competition.

    On a lighter note, what does Comac mean? Communist AirCraft? :)
     
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    any plans to replace GE engines soons?
     
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    TASS: Economy - China interested in joint production of modernized Il-114 plane — Russian deputy PM

    MOSCOW, October 13. /TASS/. China has showed interest in producing a renewed version of an Ilyushin Il-114 passenger plane jointly with Russia, Russian Vice-Premier Dmitry Rogozin said on Monday.

    “We’ll be actually restoring this plane [Il-114], using a new technological platform. In actual fact, the Chinese also need such a plane,” Rogozin said in response to a question about the prospects of cooperation between Moscow and Beijing.

    The Il-114 aircraft can be used as a patrol plane, including for military purposes, the Russian vice-premier said.

    “The Chinese side does not deny it has interest,” Rogozin said, adding that Russia will soon transfer “information and the relevant documentation to the Chinese side.
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    WS-20 is under testing.

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    COMAC signs deal for 30 C919 jets with China Merchants Bank
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    Realistically speaking the global Boeing-Airbus duoplay will be around for many decades ahead!
     
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    The actual delivery happened on 03 Nov. 2014

    Nepal Airlines new aircraft Harbin Y12e handed over | ktm2day.com
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    China Aviation Industry Corporation formally handed over a Y12e aircraft, part of a six-aircraft deal between Nepal and China, to Nepal Airlines Corporation (NAC) in Harbin, China on Sunday.

    The 17-seater twin-engine turboprop utility plane is a gift from China to Nepal. Built by Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation, it is scheduled to arrive in Nepal on July 25, said NAC officials. China Aviation Industry Corporation is the parent company of Harbin Aircraft.

    NAC has six Chinese aircraft on order–two MA60 manufactured by Xi’an Aircraft Industrial Corporation and four Y12e manufactured by Harbin Aircraft. Of these six aircraft, an MA60 and an Y12e are gifts. The MA60 has already been delivered and is operating on various routes.

    The delivery of the first batch of Y12e had been originally set for June 30. However, taking a lesson from the two-month delay in getting its MA60 aircraft into service due to inadequate paperwork, NAC has pushed back the delivery date of the Y12e to have ample time to prepare the necessary documentation.

    The MA60, which arrived in Kathmandu on April 27, was forced to take an extended rest at Tribhuvan International Airport as NAC officials scrambled to get various documents in order, of which they said they were not aware as requirements had changed in the 27 years since they last acquired new aircraft.

    “We pushed back the delivery date to be able to fulfil all the documentation process,” said Madan Kharel, managing director of NAC.

    This time, the national flag carrier plans to bring the aircraft bearing a Nepali registration mark. The overstretched national flag carrier, whose domestic fleet presently consists of one antique Twin Otter, plans to bring another Twin Otter into service by mid-July.

    The Y-12e is powered by PT6A-135A engines. It received Type Certification from the Civil Aviation Administration of China in 2002. The aircraft made its first flight in August 2001.

    This version was certified by the US Federal Aviation Administration on August 2, 2006. Experts said that the Y12e would be a fitting alternative to the Twin Otter.
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    ARJ21-700 airplane awarded TIA and enters into CAAC certification flight tests phase__Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd.

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    Chinese achievements in Industry, technology and military are the topic our fellow Chinese should focus on, not on some empty talks such as democrazy or freedom, those topics should be left to Indians.
     

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