Point I am trying to make is, China has hacked a lot. God knows what all technologies they obtained via hacking. U.S., Pentagon, defence contractors etc may not publicly agree to Chinese hacking, but the extent could be large. Who knows Chinese could have hacked these technologies as well or paid through their network to obtain them illegally. China=Everything illegal.
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If Chinese were somehow able to hack them and now they have the ability to make those kind of radars, ew suite and engines ..... Then why Pakis want to buy western technologies.
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China will not reveal the extent of top level technology it has to Pakistan, knowing that Pakistan has a prostitute-paymaster relationship with the US. At the same time, the US also overplays Chinese hacking events to show them in a bad light. One will never know where the truth lies. The US is a goldmine of information and given that they are the most aggressive nation on the planet, all countries try to keep an eye on them.
Even India has very significant cyber capabilities, we never speak about them. The reason Snowden sought asylum in India was because he was trained here. This was swept under the rug and no one raised a finger against India, but it must have been noticed by the US agencies just like we noticed that David Headley was a US mole.
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HI @tharun.
That is the JWS01, a reverse engineered version of the IAI Harpy. Its technically not a Medium Altitude Lond Endurance class UAV/UCAV but basically an autonomous loitering munition or suicide drone used as a SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) weapon.
Here's a short write up on it from the Chinese Military Aviation Blog:
http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/uav.html
Harpy/JWS01
Several PLA Army JWS01 UCAV launch vehicles were on display during the parade celebrating the 90th Anniversary of PLA, each carrying 6 UCAVs.
Previously acquired secretly from Israel in 1994, this highly classified UCAV (called Harpy) was unknown to the West until 2004.
Developed by IAI in the early 90s, Harpy is the first UCAV which features a passive radar seeker and can be used as a long-range anti-radiation weapon to attack enemy radar stations. Its range is 500km, max speed 185km/hr, warhead 32kg. One Harpy UCAV launch vehicle can carry 18 box launchers.
In 2004 Chinese were trying have them upgraded by Israelis but the attempt was discovered and subsequently blocked by the US government. All UCAVs were returned to China without any upgrades. Images from April 2011 suggested that Chinese have developed their own version of Harpy by reverse-engineering (JWS01?).
Two new types of seeker with slightly different sizes have been identified, suggesting different homing
frequencies. However the launch vehicle now carries only 6 launchers.
The latest news (February 2017) suggested that the UCAV has been offered for export as ASN-301.P
Specifications:
Weighs 135 kg, 2.1 meter long, 2.7 meter span and with range of 500 km. It is sealed in its sealed launcher/container, to endure harsh battlefield conditions. It can be fueled or defueled in the launcher, therefore retaining its readiness at all time. The system uses periodical built-in test to maintain full readiness.
The IAF operates both the Harpy and its successor, the IAI Harop, a much lager craft with double the range of the Harpy at 1 000km and a loiter time of 6hrs.
That is the JWS01, a reverse engineered version of the IAI Harpy. Its technically not a Medium Altitude Lond Endurance class UAV/UCAV but basically an autonomous loitering munition or suicide drone used as a SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) weapon.
Here's a short write up on it from the Chinese Military Aviation Blog:
http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/uav.html
Harpy/JWS01
Several PLA Army JWS01 UCAV launch vehicles were on display during the parade celebrating the 90th Anniversary of PLA, each carrying 6 UCAVs.
Previously acquired secretly from Israel in 1994, this highly classified UCAV (called Harpy) was unknown to the West until 2004.
Developed by IAI in the early 90s, Harpy is the first UCAV which features a passive radar seeker and can be used as a long-range anti-radiation weapon to attack enemy radar stations. Its range is 500km, max speed 185km/hr, warhead 32kg. One Harpy UCAV launch vehicle can carry 18 box launchers.
In 2004 Chinese were trying have them upgraded by Israelis but the attempt was discovered and subsequently blocked by the US government. All UCAVs were returned to China without any upgrades. Images from April 2011 suggested that Chinese have developed their own version of Harpy by reverse-engineering (JWS01?).
Two new types of seeker with slightly different sizes have been identified, suggesting different homing
frequencies. However the launch vehicle now carries only 6 launchers.
The latest news (February 2017) suggested that the UCAV has been offered for export as ASN-301.P
Specifications:
Weighs 135 kg, 2.1 meter long, 2.7 meter span and with range of 500 km. It is sealed in its sealed launcher/container, to endure harsh battlefield conditions. It can be fueled or defueled in the launcher, therefore retaining its readiness at all time. The system uses periodical built-in test to maintain full readiness.
The IAF operates both the Harpy and its successor, the IAI Harop, a much lager craft with double the range of the Harpy at 1 000km and a loiter time of 6hrs.
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New details on the Wing Loong II drone
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HENRI KENHMANN
14 SEPTEMBER 2017
http://www.eastpendulum.com/nouveaux-details-drone-wing-loong-ii
New details on the Chinese armored MALE drone Wing Loong II were revealed in a documentary broadcast on Monday on the local television channel CCTV-2.
For example, Wing Loong II drones have already performed "a few hundred" hours of flight since its inaugural flight, which took place on February 27, 2017.
According to LI Yi Dong, chief engineer of the Wing Loong program at the 611 Chengdu Institute of the AVIC Group, the WJ-9A turboprop engine , derived from the WJ-9 which is used on the Y-12IV light transport aircraft , has not yet experienced a major flight defect until now.
This is an advance in itself as the first version of the Wing Loong family of drones, Wing Loong I , was forced to equip the Rotax 914 of the Austrian company BRP-Powertrain with a foreign piston engine .
Capable of arming up to 16 missiles of a total mass not exceeding 480 kg, out of MTOW's 4,200 kg, it is not yet known whether the Wing Loong II has already conducted shooting campaigns in flight. But according to the report, the various Wing Loong who are currently on active duty in several air forces of the world, including the Chinese Air Force, have already fired "nearly 1,000 missiles", with a rate of success of "more than 90%".
If these figures seem appealing commercially, LI Yi Dong himself prefers to highlight the automatism of his drones, while admitting that Chinese manufacturers are still looking for the borderline between human intervention and autonomous decision of the machine.
And he also spoke for the first time of control and satellite communication of Wing Loong, which allows to extend the radius of control to several thousands of kilometer, against 200 before in LOS mode.
The chief engineer of Chengdu thus confirms the use of Chinese communications satellites in geostationary orbit, located 35,786 km above the equator, to serve as relay for data transfer with ground stations.
To compensate for the problem of a "few seconds" latency between two terminals (drone and station), the Chinese teams had to create a kind of temporary compensator to fill this time period, which is crucial for precision recognition that are very sensitive to the notion of time.
Datalink systems
Wing Loong II Drone Mission Systems
The optronic turret
Under the radome of Wing Loong II
The lateral SAR radar
The images on the monitor screen also suggest that the Wing Loong II is equipped with LINs (Laser Inertial Navigation System) and dGPS (differential GPS) for navigation.
There is as yet no clear indication as to whether the Beidou receiver will be integrated with the machines that will be delivered to export, as in Saudi Arabia for example.
One of the navigation screens of Wing Loong II (Images: CCTV-2)
Finally, in addition to a first Wing Loong II fully assembled at a subcontractor of AVIC (see our article " 1 st military UAV Wing Loong II assembled by a private company "), over 60% of the components drone come from private actors in China, this shows that there is a real willingness of Chengdu to extend its supply chain, and build a complete and autonomous ecosystem around the Wing Loong drones, relying on industrial processes of increasingly mature.
Henri K.
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HENRI KENHMANN
14 SEPTEMBER 2017
http://www.eastpendulum.com/nouveaux-details-drone-wing-loong-ii
New details on the Chinese armored MALE drone Wing Loong II were revealed in a documentary broadcast on Monday on the local television channel CCTV-2.
For example, Wing Loong II drones have already performed "a few hundred" hours of flight since its inaugural flight, which took place on February 27, 2017.
According to LI Yi Dong, chief engineer of the Wing Loong program at the 611 Chengdu Institute of the AVIC Group, the WJ-9A turboprop engine , derived from the WJ-9 which is used on the Y-12IV light transport aircraft , has not yet experienced a major flight defect until now.
This is an advance in itself as the first version of the Wing Loong family of drones, Wing Loong I , was forced to equip the Rotax 914 of the Austrian company BRP-Powertrain with a foreign piston engine .
Capable of arming up to 16 missiles of a total mass not exceeding 480 kg, out of MTOW's 4,200 kg, it is not yet known whether the Wing Loong II has already conducted shooting campaigns in flight. But according to the report, the various Wing Loong who are currently on active duty in several air forces of the world, including the Chinese Air Force, have already fired "nearly 1,000 missiles", with a rate of success of "more than 90%".
If these figures seem appealing commercially, LI Yi Dong himself prefers to highlight the automatism of his drones, while admitting that Chinese manufacturers are still looking for the borderline between human intervention and autonomous decision of the machine.
And he also spoke for the first time of control and satellite communication of Wing Loong, which allows to extend the radius of control to several thousands of kilometer, against 200 before in LOS mode.
The chief engineer of Chengdu thus confirms the use of Chinese communications satellites in geostationary orbit, located 35,786 km above the equator, to serve as relay for data transfer with ground stations.
To compensate for the problem of a "few seconds" latency between two terminals (drone and station), the Chinese teams had to create a kind of temporary compensator to fill this time period, which is crucial for precision recognition that are very sensitive to the notion of time.
Datalink systems
Wing Loong II Drone Mission Systems
The optronic turret
Under the radome of Wing Loong II
The lateral SAR radar
The images on the monitor screen also suggest that the Wing Loong II is equipped with LINs (Laser Inertial Navigation System) and dGPS (differential GPS) for navigation.
There is as yet no clear indication as to whether the Beidou receiver will be integrated with the machines that will be delivered to export, as in Saudi Arabia for example.
One of the navigation screens of Wing Loong II (Images: CCTV-2)
Finally, in addition to a first Wing Loong II fully assembled at a subcontractor of AVIC (see our article " 1 st military UAV Wing Loong II assembled by a private company "), over 60% of the components drone come from private actors in China, this shows that there is a real willingness of Chengdu to extend its supply chain, and build a complete and autonomous ecosystem around the Wing Loong drones, relying on industrial processes of increasingly mature.
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The TB001 is a MALE drone that is still in the prototype phase. Three prototype TB001 units have been built. All ground control hardware and software have been developed and prototyped.
Prototype #1 undergoing static testing, #2 in final assembly, and #3 in partial(?) assembly:
Ground control station and manufacturing (on left) and assembly platforms(?).
TA001 is another MALE drone from the same manufacturer. Max take-off weight of 1200 kg. Endurance of 24 hours.
Prototype #1 undergoing static testing, #2 in final assembly, and #3 in partial(?) assembly:
Ground control station and manufacturing (on left) and assembly platforms(?).
TA001 is another MALE drone from the same manufacturer. Max take-off weight of 1200 kg. Endurance of 24 hours.
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The TB001 is a MALE drone that is still in the prototype phase. Three prototype TB001 units have been built. All ground control hardware and software have been developed and prototyped.
Prototype #1 undergoing static testing, #2 in final assembly, and #3 in partial(?) assembly:
Ground control station and manufacturing (on left) and assembly platforms(?).
TA001 is another MALE drone from the same manufacturer. Max take-off weight of 1200 kg. Endurance of 24 hours.
Specs of on the Tengoen TB001 UCAV from the China-ASEAN Expo in Nanning.
Manufacturer specs:
Max take-off weight: 2800kg
Operational ceiling: 8000m
Line-of-sight control radius: 280km
Satellite control radius: 3000km+
Endurance: 35 hours
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CH-5 drone testing two new guided weapons
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HENRI KENHMANN
27 SEPTEMBER 2017
Just two months after its inaugural flight , the new MALE drone armed by the Chinese aerospace group CASC, CH-5 , has already conducted a series of Air-Sol strike tests.
The last one was in mid-September in Gansu province, western China, where two new types of guided munitions were tested.
The first is a 100 kg laser guided bomb, the heaviest one ever tested by a Cai Hong (彩虹, meaning "rainbow") drone in Chinese, which is then supplemented by an Air- Surface of 80 kg.
Both are also developed by CAAA, the subsidiary of the CASC group, which is responsible for the design and manufacture of drones and related armaments.
Although the exact location of the test was not revealed, the images of the television report suggest that the drone took off from Jiayuguan Airport near the Gobi Desert.
According to the young chief engineer of the CH-5 program, other test shots have already taken place soon after the first flight of the Chinese drone, but this mainly concerns smaller weapons, developed for drone models more old and especially smaller as the CH-3 and CH-4 for example.
Several countries have already shown a keen interest in this new Chinese armed drone, CAAA says that negotiations will take place by the end of the year.
The CH-5 is a military MALE drone that is less than 12 meters long and has a wingspan of 21.5 meters. With an MTOW of 3,300 kg, the unmanned aircraft can carry 200 kg of internal payloads and up to 1,000 kg of external ammunition mounted on 6 points of transport, according to the information supplied by the manufacturer.
Its autonomy in flight varies between 40 FH / 6,500 km and 60 FH / 10,000 km, depending on CAAA sources. The CH-5 is powered by a 300 hp piston engine that is powered by fuel oil, quite atypical in this category of drone.
Characteristics Wing Loong II CH-5 Prototype CH-5
Length 11.00 m between 11 and 12 m
span 20.50 m 20.00 m 21.50 m
Height 4.10 m
MTOW 4,200 kg 3,000 kg 3 300 kg (?)
Internal loads 200 kg 200 kg 200 kg
Maximum external loads 480 kg 1,000 kg
Points of Carry 6
(12 munitions maximum) 6
(maximum 16 ammunition)
Propulsion Turboprop WJ-9A Reciprocating engine
(Fuel oil) Reciprocating engine
(Fuel oil)
Propulsion Power 600 hp 300 hp 300 hp
Maximum speed 370 km / h 220 km / h
Minimum speed 150 km / h 160 km / h
Ceiling 9,000 m 7,600 m
Endurance (FH) 20 FH on Armed Mission 36 FH 40 to 60 FH max.
30 FH with 8 AR-1 missiles
Endurance (km) 6,500 to 10,000 km
Take-off distance 1,000 m
Landing distance 1,200 m
Radius per LOS link 200 km 250 km 250 km
Radius per satellite link 2,000 km 2,000 km 2,000 km
Production cost 1/4 of MQ-9 Reaper
Unit price 4.87 M € to 8.00 M €
For the time being, the Chinese army has not bought any drone at CAAA, except for small hand-launch reconnaissance drones like the CH-802 . The China Geological Survey (CGS), on the other hand, has just procured its first CH-4 for minerals and topography research.
The lack of visibility in the defense domestic market means that the manufacturer is mainly focused on exports, particularly in the Middle East.
For example, the Iraqi army has been using the CH-4B for more than a year to strike terrorists. Saudi Arabia has also imported an assembly line recently to build its own Cai Hong drones, but it is unclear whether this includes the new CH-5.
To be continued.
Henri K.
BY
HENRI KENHMANN
27 SEPTEMBER 2017
Just two months after its inaugural flight , the new MALE drone armed by the Chinese aerospace group CASC, CH-5 , has already conducted a series of Air-Sol strike tests.
The last one was in mid-September in Gansu province, western China, where two new types of guided munitions were tested.
The first is a 100 kg laser guided bomb, the heaviest one ever tested by a Cai Hong (彩虹, meaning "rainbow") drone in Chinese, which is then supplemented by an Air- Surface of 80 kg.
Both are also developed by CAAA, the subsidiary of the CASC group, which is responsible for the design and manufacture of drones and related armaments.
Although the exact location of the test was not revealed, the images of the television report suggest that the drone took off from Jiayuguan Airport near the Gobi Desert.
According to the young chief engineer of the CH-5 program, other test shots have already taken place soon after the first flight of the Chinese drone, but this mainly concerns smaller weapons, developed for drone models more old and especially smaller as the CH-3 and CH-4 for example.
Several countries have already shown a keen interest in this new Chinese armed drone, CAAA says that negotiations will take place by the end of the year.
The CH-5 is a military MALE drone that is less than 12 meters long and has a wingspan of 21.5 meters. With an MTOW of 3,300 kg, the unmanned aircraft can carry 200 kg of internal payloads and up to 1,000 kg of external ammunition mounted on 6 points of transport, according to the information supplied by the manufacturer.
Its autonomy in flight varies between 40 FH / 6,500 km and 60 FH / 10,000 km, depending on CAAA sources. The CH-5 is powered by a 300 hp piston engine that is powered by fuel oil, quite atypical in this category of drone.
Characteristics Wing Loong II CH-5 Prototype CH-5
Length 11.00 m between 11 and 12 m
span 20.50 m 20.00 m 21.50 m
Height 4.10 m
MTOW 4,200 kg 3,000 kg 3 300 kg (?)
Internal loads 200 kg 200 kg 200 kg
Maximum external loads 480 kg 1,000 kg
Points of Carry 6
(12 munitions maximum) 6
(maximum 16 ammunition)
Propulsion Turboprop WJ-9A Reciprocating engine
(Fuel oil) Reciprocating engine
(Fuel oil)
Propulsion Power 600 hp 300 hp 300 hp
Maximum speed 370 km / h 220 km / h
Minimum speed 150 km / h 160 km / h
Ceiling 9,000 m 7,600 m
Endurance (FH) 20 FH on Armed Mission 36 FH 40 to 60 FH max.
30 FH with 8 AR-1 missiles
Endurance (km) 6,500 to 10,000 km
Take-off distance 1,000 m
Landing distance 1,200 m
Radius per LOS link 200 km 250 km 250 km
Radius per satellite link 2,000 km 2,000 km 2,000 km
Production cost 1/4 of MQ-9 Reaper
Unit price 4.87 M € to 8.00 M €
For the time being, the Chinese army has not bought any drone at CAAA, except for small hand-launch reconnaissance drones like the CH-802 . The China Geological Survey (CGS), on the other hand, has just procured its first CH-4 for minerals and topography research.
The lack of visibility in the defense domestic market means that the manufacturer is mainly focused on exports, particularly in the Middle East.
For example, the Iraqi army has been using the CH-4B for more than a year to strike terrorists. Saudi Arabia has also imported an assembly line recently to build its own Cai Hong drones, but it is unclear whether this includes the new CH-5.
To be continued.
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Honestly? IDK. The PLA/PLAAF operate the Wingloong I and soon the Wingloong II.
CH4 rainbow series are mostly export oriented, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc. Maybe CH5 is headed the same way. I guess the onus is on the Pakistani military to decide if they want to buy it.
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It seems Wing Long II is already being exported. Henri K has solid specs for this UCAV in this article.
Wing Loong II: Shooting tests and first delivery to the customer
https://www.eastpendulum.com/wing-loong-ii-essais-de-tir-et-premiere-livraison-au-client
In China, competition continues to rage between the two main military drone manufacturers, the CASC aerospace group on the one hand, and the AVIC aircraft manufacturer on the other. And as proof, the new combat drone Wing Loong II designed by the latter also started its test campaign of shooting just six months after its inaugural flight in February this year , like its competitor CH-5 of CASC which has tested newly guided Air-Surface ammunition recently.
The photos released late September on several local media in Chengdu, where the Wing Loong II is designed and produced, show that this new medium altitude and long endurance drone (MALE), weighing more than 4 tons on take-off, carried out at least one firing guided lasers against targets on the ground.
The Wing Loong II which still kept its yellow paint as at the factory exit seems to have fired two 100 kg LS6-100 bombs , also developed by AVIC.
This small born of the family of military drones Wing Loong can carry up to 480 kg of armaments under its six external points of transport and stay 20 hours in flight. The Chinese Air Force became a client a few years ago, version I, four times lighter than the Wing Loong II, as well as Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt.
The 611 Chengdu Institute, the designer of several Chinese fighter jets such as the J-10 , J-20and the FC-1 / JF-17 , is the successor of its Wing Loong I , began the development of Wing Loong II in 2015, which signed "the largest export contract in the field of drones ever signed in China" with a foreign customer, even before the first prototype flies.
The Chinese Air Force has already bought this new version.
To be able to absorb a consistent order book on a short timeframe, see very short, Chengdu has decided to outsource a good part of its supplies, outside the historical circle of state enterprises, which would have caused some dissatisfaction with his colleagues belonging to the same parent company AVIC.
More than 300 private companies are involved today in providing approximately 60% of the 130 million parts and components of Wing Loong II. There is even one that has opened its own final assembly line , a great first in China.
One learns moreover that the first copy of Wing Loong II is about to be delivered to the customer (export?) In October. According to ZHENG Yong Feng (郑勇峰), senior engineer of the Chinese engineering firm, an aircraft is currently on display at the Sichuan Air Show, and it will be delivered immediately to the customer immediately after the show closes .
He also revealed several unusual elements on this drone - the first program to control several missiles from the same ground station, the fastest (370 km / h) and the highest (MALE 000 meters above sea level), and one based on the space shuttle gliding technologies that Chengdu is also developing, allowing Wing Loong II to return to the ground in special cases such as loss of fuel.
For a drone of such size that made its inaugural flight on February 27, 2017, that is to say only 7 months ago, and already a first copy to be delivered in a few days, this testifies not only the urgency of the customer demand, probably Saudi Arabia, but also the maturity of Chengdu to develop and produce complex weapon systems.
We will have an opportunity to come back to these points later.
To be continued.
Henri K
Wing Loong II: Shooting tests and first delivery to the customer
https://www.eastpendulum.com/wing-loong-ii-essais-de-tir-et-premiere-livraison-au-client
In China, competition continues to rage between the two main military drone manufacturers, the CASC aerospace group on the one hand, and the AVIC aircraft manufacturer on the other. And as proof, the new combat drone Wing Loong II designed by the latter also started its test campaign of shooting just six months after its inaugural flight in February this year , like its competitor CH-5 of CASC which has tested newly guided Air-Surface ammunition recently.
The photos released late September on several local media in Chengdu, where the Wing Loong II is designed and produced, show that this new medium altitude and long endurance drone (MALE), weighing more than 4 tons on take-off, carried out at least one firing guided lasers against targets on the ground.
The Wing Loong II which still kept its yellow paint as at the factory exit seems to have fired two 100 kg LS6-100 bombs , also developed by AVIC.
This small born of the family of military drones Wing Loong can carry up to 480 kg of armaments under its six external points of transport and stay 20 hours in flight. The Chinese Air Force became a client a few years ago, version I, four times lighter than the Wing Loong II, as well as Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt.
The 611 Chengdu Institute, the designer of several Chinese fighter jets such as the J-10 , J-20and the FC-1 / JF-17 , is the successor of its Wing Loong I , began the development of Wing Loong II in 2015, which signed "the largest export contract in the field of drones ever signed in China" with a foreign customer, even before the first prototype flies.
The Chinese Air Force has already bought this new version.
To be able to absorb a consistent order book on a short timeframe, see very short, Chengdu has decided to outsource a good part of its supplies, outside the historical circle of state enterprises, which would have caused some dissatisfaction with his colleagues belonging to the same parent company AVIC.
More than 300 private companies are involved today in providing approximately 60% of the 130 million parts and components of Wing Loong II. There is even one that has opened its own final assembly line , a great first in China.
One learns moreover that the first copy of Wing Loong II is about to be delivered to the customer (export?) In October. According to ZHENG Yong Feng (郑勇峰), senior engineer of the Chinese engineering firm, an aircraft is currently on display at the Sichuan Air Show, and it will be delivered immediately to the customer immediately after the show closes .
He also revealed several unusual elements on this drone - the first program to control several missiles from the same ground station, the fastest (370 km / h) and the highest (MALE 000 meters above sea level), and one based on the space shuttle gliding technologies that Chengdu is also developing, allowing Wing Loong II to return to the ground in special cases such as loss of fuel.
For a drone of such size that made its inaugural flight on February 27, 2017, that is to say only 7 months ago, and already a first copy to be delivered in a few days, this testifies not only the urgency of the customer demand, probably Saudi Arabia, but also the maturity of Chengdu to develop and produce complex weapon systems.
We will have an opportunity to come back to these points later.
To be continued.
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The range is line of sight or 150km, it has no Ku-band satellite link.
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*sigh
And the "French"/Indian troll arrives. Where's your source for that?
Its called a satellite data-link.:Here's my source:
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