Chinese JF-17 is a Cheap Competition For The F-16

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  1. Drsomnath999

    Drsomnath999 lord of 32 teeth Elite Member

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    2011-11-25 (China Military News cited from strategypage.com) -- Pakistan is aggressively seeking customers for its JF-17 jet fighter. During the last two years, Pakistan has manufactured about 30 JF-17. The first JF-17s were manufactured in China. But the plan was always to shift production to Pakistan, with the original goal of 25 a year being produced by 2011. This goal was not achieved, but production has been established in Pakistan, and it is growing.
    Pakistan is offering the JF-17 for a low price ($25 million in the cheapest configuration) and touts the fact that this is a third the price of an F-16. But this is comparing apples and oranges. The low end JF-17 is little more than a day time interceptor. The most capable F-16 model in service is the F-16I, used exclusively by Israel. It's basically a modified version of the F-16C/D Block 50/52, equipped with more advanced radar (the APG-68(X)) and the ability to carry Israeli weapons like the Python 4 air-to-air missile and the Popeye 2 air-to-surface missile. Costing $70 million each, the F-16I has an excellent navigation system, which allows it to fly on the deck (a few hundred feet from the ground), without working the pilot to death. The aircraft can do this at night or in any weather. The F-16I can carry enough fuel to hit targets 1,600 kilometers away (meaning Iran is within range). The aircraft uses the latest short and long range air-to-air missiles, as well as smart bombs. Electronic countermeasures are carried, as is a powerful computer system, which records the details of each sortie in great detail. This is a big help for training. The F-16I is basically optimized to deliver smart bombs anywhere, at any time, in any weather and despite dense air defenses. This further increases Israel's military power versus its neighbors. In combat, one F-16I is worth more than three JF-17s. But what Pakistan is really touting here is the availability of a jet fighter that is cheap and performs somewhat like an F-16. For many countries, this is an attractive option. The only problem is that there are hundreds of second-hand (and very well maintained) F-16s on the market, selling for less than the bare-bones JF-17.
    The Chinese designed JF-17 (also known as FC-1) is also manufactured in China, which is trying to export it to Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Burma, Iran and Sri Lanka as an inexpensive alternative to American and Russian fighters. So far, no takers. The hundreds of JF-17s to be built in Pakistan are mainly composed of Chinese parts, and the Chinese Air Force has not shown any interest in obtaining the aircraft for its own use. Officially, the Chinese Air Force is still “evaluating” the JF-17, but unofficially, Chinese air force commanders consider the JF-17 a failed design.

    Last year, Pakistan signed a deal to buy the next 42, of 300, of these jets from China. These 42 will cost $14.3 million per aircraft. The final 250 will cost $12 million each. The aircraft is assembled in both Pakistan and China, with the engines coming from Russia, and most of the other components from China (which calls the aircraft the FC-1).
    When the first JF-17 fighter arrived in Pakistan four years ago, it ended over twenty years of development for what was first called the Super 7 fighter. The JF-17 was developed by China in cooperation with Pakistan, which originally only wanted to buy 150 of them. All this came about because Pakistan could not get modern fighters from anyone else, and turned to China. At the time, China had nothing comparable to the early model F-16s Pakistan already had.
    The 13 ton JF-17 is meant to be a low cost alternative to the American F-16. The JF-17 is considered the equal to earlier versions of the F-16, but much less effective than more recent F16 models. The JF-17 design is also based on a cancelled Russian project, the MiG-33. Originally, Pakistan wanted Western electronics in the JF-17, but because of the risk of Chinese technology theft, and pressure from the United States (who did not want China to steal more Western aviation electronics), the JF-17 uses Chinese and Pakistani electronics.
    The JF-17 can carry 3.6 tons of weapons and uses radar guided and heat seeking missiles. It has max speed of nearly 2,000 kilometers an hour, an operating range of 1,300 kilometers and a max altitude of nearly 18,000 meters (55,000 feet). China says it does not want to use the JF-17 itself because its own J-10 (another local design) and J-11 (a license built Russian Su-27) are adequate for their needs. The J-10, like the JF-17, did not work out as well as was hoped, but that's another matter. Meanwhile, Pakistan has one squadron in service, and another being formed.
    Chinese JF-17 is a Cheap Competition For The F-16 | China Military Power Mashup
     
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    Drsomnath999 lord of 32 teeth Elite Member

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    well god knows who would buy JF17.???
    i think pak should sell jf 17 like this
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    saying " jf17 lelo jf17 .ekh ka sath ekh free "
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    I suppose China wont buy it.

    Too risky.

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  5. Zebra

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    So the buying price of JF 17 is 12 to 14.3 million $ only , but Pakistan wants to sell it at 25 million $ ($25 million in the cheapest configuration) . :pound:
     
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    I got few a Q. Do Chinese air force has F-17 blunder and lafunder??

    I think pak is the only country using this lafunder. I think china has made this for pak , .In order to recover the cost, as pak has not paid for wat ever lafunder they got. now nobody is buying.

    koi to lelo

    I think, all the air forces of the world is scared of JF-17 lafunder, as pakistan claims, they made it. pilots all over the world fear that if they put lafunder jf-17 in auto pilot mode, it might land in taliban land in north or south waziristan:scared2::scared2::scared2::scared2::scared2::scared2::laugh::laugh:
     
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    How much does a used F-16 usually costs?
     
  8. Drsomnath999

    Drsomnath999 lord of 32 teeth Elite Member

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    well it is unbeleivable then read from a pakistani writer what they say about jf 17

    Adnan Rehmat is a journalist, analyst and media development specialist. He heads Intermedia, a Pakistani media support NGO.
    Sky Wars: Pakistan, India and China | Pakistan | DAWN.COM
     
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    but 15 million dollar for those aircrafts which will come down in 2 years. 7.5 million dollar for one year. isnt it an expensive replacement?
     
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    I believe Burkina Faso has shown interest in buying!
     
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    f16?? gripen??? Comeon.. The article is inaccurate. JF17 is a scientifically technically actually biologically chemically automatically very advanced aircraft complex with 10:1 success ratio against all known UFOs and is pitched as a direct competition to F22. While most advanced planes are made of carbon composites, JF17 is made of unobtainium (look up in wiki). The sensor fusion and avionics use brain wave technology which can sense what the pilot thinks and put it into action, more like the Eywa connection of Avatar. Chinese news arent as creative as expected, but still, very much a commendable effort indeed.
     
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    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    unobtainium hahahahah hahaahah :pound: :pound: :pound:

    JF 17 is better than

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    :pound: LMAO..
     
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    This is so hilarious :rofl:coming from people whose own country can't make a darn thing (The Tejas springs to mind:rofl:)after trying so hard for 30 freaking long years。:rofl:
     
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    I guess that's what it takes to honestly develope a real jet fighter from scratch.
     
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    tony4562 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Tejas can hardly be called an indigenous jet made from scratch. With the admitted 60% imported content (in reality probably higher since indian parts with foreign-amde subparts are counted as indigenous), LCA is not a true indigenous aircraft by any stretch. And if you open the aircraft don't find design elements from Mig21, i would be very surprised as Mig21 was the only modern aircraft India had any experience building at the time the basic design of LCA was made. Also don't tell me the striking similarities between LCA and Mirage 2000 were just pure coincidence, with Mirage2000 being in service with IAF when LCA was designed and itself an aircraft IAF likes a lot.

    LCA = Mirage2000 external design + Mig21 intrnal design + american engine + israeli radar + everythingelse european

    The picture says it all, LCA is truely an international product.

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    Tejas is not indigenous.

    It was built with technical help from Mars!
     
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    Yeah Yeah Yeah, open LCA and you will be more than surprised. Actually you might find a bicycle in it:sad:. The pilot has to pedal so fast to compress the air and help use it in the jet stream. Oh come on. We are not claiming it to be an F22 like you do:scared2:.

    It doesnt share anything in common with Mig21 except deployment. LCA has an advanced fly-by-wire system while Mig21 clearly hasn't got that (Unlike the wireless system in JF17:sad:). Another commonality is that both has a seat for the driver (read: pilot, that was a joke :wave:) It looks similar to Mirage2000? it is because both planes have similar theory behind design.. highly unstable delta wing. Is it a copy? No. Why? Just design config wouldn't suffice. A small change in aerodynamics alone will take a lot of testing. The standing proof for LCA being an original design is the years of R&D in windtunnels. Engine is american, but we have a project in place which will bear fruits soon. Why we still persist with it? Because it sets us free from buying and creates a great platform for our future products. We have an israeli radar in it and an R&D program in place along with that. Why do we buy/collaborate? because we dont have that infrastructure yet and we are willing to pay and learn (read: not stealing). Aw'well.. I can go on and on naming fingers and pointing names, but couldn't just give two hoots.
     
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    I was refering to the airframe design. You have to get experience from somewhere, in LCA's case manufacturing experience gained from Mig21 was prettymuch the only source of reference available. Also tailless delta configuration has nothing to do with fly-by-wire. Mirage2000 looks almost like a carbon copy of Mirge3 which first flew in 1956 and certainly did not have any fly-by-wire at all.
     

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