China's Xinjiang 'still ethnically divided'

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Chinas_Xinjiang_still_ethnically_divided_999.html

    China's traditionally Muslim Xinjiang region remains ethnically divided but is basically stable nearly two years after the eruption of deadly violence there, the region's top official said Tuesday.

    Zhang Chunxian also said Beijing would continue to push fast-track development of the remote but energy-rich region -- a policy that has angered many members of its roughly eight-million-strong Uighur minority.

    "We still need some time to restore good feelings between the ethnic groups," Zhang, who was named Xinjiang's Communist Party boss last year, told reporters on the sidelines of China's annual parliament session in Beijing.

    The Xinjiang capital Urumqi exploded in savage rioting, pitting Uighurs against members of China's dominant Han ethnic group, in July 2009, prompting a fierce security crackdown.

    Many Uighurs complain of repression by Beijing and resent what they view as an unwanted influx of Han who they say are stealing jobs and diluting their traditional Muslim culture.

    The government has said nearly 200 people were killed and 1,700 injured in the 2009 bloodletting.

    It blamed the unrest on "separatists" but has provided no evidence of any organised campaign in the region, which borders on Central Asia.

    Zhang also dismissed suggestions that the "Jasmine" uprisings in the Middle East and North Africa could ignite renewed unrest in Xinjiang, with its sizeable Muslim population and history of tension.

    "Geographically, (the Middle East) is near, but Xinjiang and these countries are completely different," he said.

    "Xinjiang is Xinjiang. The surrounding area is the surrounding area."

    However, regional governor Nur Bekri, a Uighur, said the task of maintaining stability in Xinjiang remains "grim" despite what he called an improving situation.

    Speaking at a Xinjiang parliamentary delegation meeting, he also denied that the region's access to the Internet was restricted.

    Xinjiang authorities cut off the Internet during the unrest and for 10 months afterwards, alleging it was being used by instigators to foment violence. Press freedom groups say access remains severely restricted.

    "The Internet is not under control," Nur Bekri said.

    Uighurs are a Turkic-speaking people with ethnic and cultural links to Central Asia.

    Energy-hungry China has ramped up development of the region -- and its oil and natural gas deposits -- in recent years.

    Members of Xinjiang's parliamentary delegation said regional economic growth would average 10 percent annually over the next five years.
     
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    Urumchi is now a Han majority city.

    The Uighurs are not too pleased with the way the PRC is changing the demography and wiping out the culture, religion, language and customs of the Uighurs.

    Some of my friends who have visited China tell stories as how the Chinese make fun of the Uighurs being backward, crude and even savages!

    He felt that the Uighurs were a bit rough in their ways.
     
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    one ethnic who rejects modern eduction is not hopeful. Uighurs are exact such an ethnic.
    franky speaking, Uighurs now are just more maginalized ,after the riot 2 years ago.
     
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    This is the same strategy used in Tibet;any uprising send in the military,blockout media, flood the area with ethnic Han until they are majority, suppress the ethnic group and give the world a false facade of stability.
     
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    guy, that is the way how you yankees did with Indians....:confused1:

    didn't yankees say:"only dead indians are good indians?"
     
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    wake up yanks never ruled Indians.
     
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    What I learn is that they Uighurs are not against modern education. They do not want to get modern education in Mandarin. They want it in their own language. I also learn that unless the Uighurs learn Mandarin, they cannot get jobs and so, at best, they are blue collar workers, while the Hans are the white collar workers and bosses. And this causes a whole lot of bad blood.

    This is a historical precedence by the way of which they Hans Sinicised/ Hanised those who were not from the original Han country, north of the Yellow River.
     
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    wake up. What I refered to are American Indians,the aboriginals in America.

    the government of Yankees once pasted a reward for killing American Indians....any guys can could got a buck from Yankee government at that time, if the guy could prove that he killed Indians ,with scalp of one dead adult Indian .....:namaste:

    And now, merciful Yankees teach CHinese how to be merciful to the minority....what a ironical tale!
     
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    so this justifies what chinese are doing?? USA did it 300 years ago it is ok.
     
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    Yankees?

    Try calling the southern Americans that.

    They will scalp chaps calling them so in a place that one does not normally display!
     
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    Perhaps some assume Xinjiang is a backward inland province of China but it's not true. The problems may include the disparity btwn well-developed cities like Ürümqi, and the underdeveloped South (Uigur dominated, rural), and btwn educated Han and less educated Uigurs... When Uigurs feel left out of the development some may resort to violence in desperation. Besides ex-CCP head Hu Yaobang was rather naive and thick giving way to reviving subnationalism and religious fundamentalism. Fortunately toppling of Yugoslavia and USSR has waken CCP up
     
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    300 years ago? you should read your history bood again......50-100 USD were rewared to any guy who killed one Indians ,since colony era. James.Medison reconfirmed it in 1814.....

    the last Indian tribe were suppressed by Yankees in 1890s...
     
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    By mid 1800's most of the Natives were integrated or on reservations, there are still reservations today . Make it 200 years ago still the same does it justify what is happening to uighurs?? (no more off topic analogy)
     
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    Chinese are intolerant to other races.

    The mass demonstrations and riots against African students in Nanjing, China, lasted from December 1988 to January 1989.
    (Black Africa Leaves China In Quandary. The New York Times. December 30, 1988)

    Bar owners in central Beijing had been forced “not to serve black people or Mongolians” during the 2008 Summer Olympics.
    (Fears of a 'no-fun' Olympics in Beijing. The Age. July 19, 2008.)

    Some neighborhood committees in Guangzhou bar Africans from living in residential complexes,
    (Out of Africa and into China, emigres struggle. Reuters. August 20, 2009.)

    So, I think China can hardly complain about the US. The US discrimination is history. The Chinese discrimination is recent and shocking, given that we live in a modern and more tolerant world where the equality of man is held sacred and inviolate.

    I take it that China is a part of the modern world and I don't think any community of the world or any nations feel that they are savages on the run! Unlike what they thought of others as being barbarians.

    The Chinese (Han Chinese) of the Chinese Empire sometimes (depends on the dynasty, geographic location, and timeline) initially regarded the Xiongnu, Qiang, Yue, Nanyue, Yuezhi, Tibetans, Tatars, Turks, Mongols, Jurchens, Manchus, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese (and later Europeans) as barbarians.

    The Chinese used different terms for "barbarians" from different directions of the compass. Those in the east were called Dongyi (東夷), those in the west were called Xirong (西戎), those in the south were called Nanman (南蠻), and those in the north were called Beidi (北狄).
     
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    well, no offence, i just want to remind moral Yankees of their glory deeds on the minority.

    BTW,

    do you know how Panda live? all pandas has lost the capacity to survive in wild areas ,although they are protected well. in ZOOs.



    every ethnic has to study the dominant culture/language and accept modern education ,otherwise the ethnic doesn't want to become cage-protected pets such as pandas.
     
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    East Turkmenistan and Tibet had their cages or independent countries but that did not matter to China.
     
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    Disicrimination is not history in USA...it is still there in USA.
    Discrimination is all ove the earth ,more or less.

    Neither China or USA is one exception.
     
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    Do you think China is USA??
     
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    And Obama?

    Now, do we have a Uighur President or Premier of China?
     
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    the problems of Uygurs and Tibetan now is that they are over-protected by privileges and preferential treatments ,such as all kinds of " the reserved quotas for the minority" and the exempt of trivial crimes and one kid policy".

    CCP has provided such prvilieges and preferential treatments to almost all the minorities ,including UYghurs and Tibetans, since 1980s.

    However, such over-protection doesn't make Uygurs and Tibet "go up",but to have made them lose competitiveness in career makets,just as cage-protection makes panda lose the capacity to survive in wild areas.


    As one indians ,you should know exactly why "the reserve quotas of caste" works little.
     

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