China's Xi Jinping to head CCP ?

[no smoking]

Re: Chinese model for a Rising Star Xi Jumping!

Please forgive me, I am not China bashing.

I am only wondering if you have opened your eyes to the 'rape' being done by the Communist big dads in your country and you have not the guts to complain!

But if you subscribe to the idea that 'if rape is inevitable, might as well lie down and enjoy it', then say so!

That is quite funny for an indian to say that! What is india's corruption rating?

In China, if these communist big dads were caught, they will not receive any complain but a bullet!

While in india, the corruptive politicians can just walk out of office, after a couple of years, they may get the second chance to rape!

It is really ironic when an indian lectures chinese on anti-corruption!

 

[opesys]

Re: Chinese model for a Rising Star Xi Jumping!

That is quite funny for an indian to say that! What is india's corruption rating?

In China, if these communist big dads were caught, they will not receive any complain but a bullet!

While in india, the corruptive politicians can just walk out of office, after a couple of years, they may get the second chance to rape!

It is really ironic when an indian lectures chinese on anti-corruption!

The way I see corruption in both India and China...
Let's say if a highway has to be constructed and if it costs one billion dollars to construct it, in China the authorities would quote two billion dollars as the cost and would keep one billion dollars to themselves and get the highway constructed with the rest of one billion dollars...

The same in India the authorities would have quoted two billion dollars and would have kept two billion dollars to themselves with no highway except on papers...

 

[rockdog]

Re: Chinese model for a Rising Star Xi Jumping!

Please forgive me, I am not China bashing.

I am only wondering if you have opened your eyes to the 'rape' being done by the Communist big dads in your country and you have not the guts to complain!

But if you subscribe to the idea that 'if rape is inevitable, might as well lie down and enjoy it', then say so!

Yes sometimes, i also had the same feeling about how Indian people apply this kind of mindset toward your former master, some nation "raped" you for 100+ yrs, and then you held a great party called "commonwealth game", and people celebrating the game held successfully in India...

 

[Ray]

That is quite funny for an indian to say that! What is india's corruption rating?

Indeed there is massive corruption in India.

But it is not the sole prerogative of those the political party whichever rules the country.

In China MOST Communist leaders who claim to be champions of the working classes, peasants and workers, are the only one who through their relatives are toiling to make their own fortunes!

That is what is surprising.

 

[Ray]

Re: Chinese model for a Rising Star Xi Jumping!

Yes sometimes, i also had the same feeling about how Indian people apply this kind of mindset toward your former master, some nation "raped" you for 100+ yrs, and then you held a great party called "commonwealth game", and people celebrating the game held successfully in India...

You don't seem to have heard of the '100 years of National Shame' that is so popular touted in China!

 

[Ray]

Re: Chinese model for a Rising Star Xi Jumping!

The same in India the authorities would have quoted two billion dollars and would have kept two billion dollars to themselves with no highway except on papers...

That is nice to learn.

I think you are right, we have no highways or even roads!

Must be what we see is merely Maya.

Maya or Māyā (Sanskrit माया māyāa["º]), in Indian religions, has multiple meanings, usually quoted as "illusion", centered on the fact that we do not experience the environment itself but rather a projection of it, created by us.

Wiki

 

[rockdog]

Re: Chinese model for a Rising Star Xi Jumping!

You don't seem to have heard of the '100 years of National Shame' that is so popular touted in China!

Yep, we see this is a shame and need to get rid of it for enhancing the national power. But Indian seems very "enjoy" it, i never understand why UK enslaved you 100+ yrs and you never feel shame, but just enjoy her private party called "commonwealth"... Can you explain to me this kind of pathetic mindset? Or it's just like you said, Indian people is applying "'if rape is inevitable, might as well lie down and enjoy it', then say so!"

 

[Ray]

Re: Chinese model for a Rising Star Xi Jumping!

Yep, we see this is a shame and need to get rid of it for enhancing the national power. But Indian seems very "enjoy" it, i never understand why UK enslaved you 100+ yrs and you never feel shame, but just enjoy her private party called "commonwealth"... Can you explain to me this kind of pathetic mindset? Or it's just like you said, Indian people is applying "'if rape is inevitable, might as well lie down and enjoy it', then say so!"

You are right.

I totally convinced that the '100 Years of National Shame' is being and is going to be wiped out to enhance Chinese national power.

China is well known to wipe out much of its history so that the national power is enhanced.

For instance, when the Cultural Revolution was on, all Chinese were totally gleeful of the 'great vision' of Mao Tse Tung getting rid of 'class enemies' and 'secret bourgeois'.

And when Mao died, this glee was 'wiped out' by Deng, who said 'Mao was 30% wrong and 70% right' without informing where Mao was right and where he was wrong. But this was lapped up by the Chinese as the new mantra. So, a bad part of history was wiped out.

Indians, on the other hand, while they do not enjoy the eras of invasions and colonisation, they are not stupid to re-write history and forget the past. We are a tolerant race and ready to accept their history and mistakes so that it remains as a reminder. We are not afraid of the truth and reality. However, that does not mean we 'enjoy'.

We are also a race that has forgiveness steeped in our genes. Even if people do us harm, we have no qualms in forgiving them since we look at the circumstances what prompted them to do so. But then, that is not enjoyment. Mere retrospection and logical analysis.

Take 1962 and your repeated attempts at intrusions. We should hate you, if we go by the Chinese way of looking at things as they are doing now towards Japan. But we are not of that mindset. We come from the land of Hindu sages, Buddha, Mahavira and so on. All peace and love preaching religions took birth here.

That is what powers our mindset!

Pathetic are those whose mindset is to 'conquer', expand, create tensions, push their own ideology and race assimilation desires!

 

[no smoking]

Indeed there is massive corruption in India.

But it is not the sole prerogative of those the political party whichever rules the country.

As the same as CCP! No political party was set up only for corruption! The problem with indian political parties is that they didn't do their job properly when enjoying their treasure from corruption!

In China MOST Communist leaders who claim to be champions of the working classes, peasants and workers, are the only one who through their relatives are toiling to make their own fortunes!

As the same as indian politicians who makes their fansy promise and claim before election! At least CCP leaders have to deliver some of their promises while indian politicians won't even bother!

 

[Ray]

As the same as CCP! No political party was set up only for corruption! The problem with indian political parties is that they didn't do their job properly when enjoying their treasure from corruption!

The Chinese Communists are not a political party. It is the sole ideology of the Nation. A mantra that the Nation perforce has to believe wily nily. The Nation has to alternative.

In a democracy, there is an option. You can chose whichever political party you want. They have to exist on spinning dreams and if they fail to achieve even a little bit of the dream spun, they are hoofed out.

Are the Indian political parties corrupt? You bet they are. An election campaign runs in crores of rupees and they are not daft to use their own money and anyway they would not have that much in the first place. So they siphon off the cream from the Govt projects. And they also keep some of the cream for themselves so that there next 14 generation is not left in want of necessities. A vicious system. A negative for the democratic system.

In a totalitarian regime, there is no election campaign to run. So the corruption is all for the self and no one else!

As the same as indian politicians who makes their fansy promise and claim before election! At least CCP leaders have to deliver some of their promises while indian politicians won't even bother!

I would not say that the Indian politicians make any fancy claims. They merely spin dreams that turn out to be total falsehood.

A Communist Party chap has to deliver because if he does not, he will be removed by the boss and that man will go into oblivion and will lose the golden goose that lays the egg. See poor Bo. If he were to be hanged, it would be a better choice than living like a peasant because he will not longer get the luxuries he was used to or the unbridled power. The failed Communist leader has a greater problem and he comes down with a thud to mother earth like a heavy stone.

 

[no smoking]

The Chinese Communists are not a political party. It is the sole ideology of the Nation. A mantra that the Nation perforce has to believe wily nily. The Nation has to alternative.

Yes, we had alternative: 100 years ago, Qing lost in an election inited by KMT with cannon. When KMT failed to lead this country in right track, we elected CCP into the power with bullet!

In a democracy, there is an option. You can chose whichever political party you want. They have to exist on spinning dreams and if they fail to achieve even a little bit of the dream spun, they are hoofed out.

It looks like these political parties in india keep failing to achieve even a little bit. And they keep coming back!

Are the Indian political parties corrupt? You bet they are. An election campaign runs in crores of rupees and they are not daft to use their own money and anyway they would not have that much in the first place. So they siphon off the cream from the Govt projects. And they also keep some of the cream for themselves so that there next 14 generation is not left in want of necessities. A vicious system. A negative for the democratic system.

In a totalitarian regime, there is no election campaign to run. So the corruption is all for the self and no one else!

Are you suggesting that indian polictians' corruption is for public interest? Then I wonder why india is laging behind China even though it was once so far ahead in 1949.

I would not say that the Indian politicians make any fancy claims. They merely spin dreams that turn out to be total falsehood.

Oh, come on, desn't indian politicians always claim that their sole idea is to improve public's interest? Doesn't they always claim they are the best representatives of their voters?

A Communist Party chap has to deliver because if he does not, he will be removed by the boss and that man will go into oblivion and will lose the golden goose that lays the egg. See poor Bo. If he were to be hanged, it would be a better choice than living like a peasant because he will not longer get the luxuries he was used to or the unbridled power. The failed Communist leader has a greater problem and he comes down with a thud to mother earth like a heavy stone.

That is why we can still tolerate CCP: they take the money and then do their work while indian politicians do nothing after grabing the money!

 

[Ray]

Yes, we had alternative: 100 years ago, Qing lost in an election inited by KMT with cannon. When KMT failed to lead this country in right track, we elected CCP into the power with bullet!

CCP was elected?

Or did they elect the people.

It is like every Nation has an Army.

But Pakistani Army has a Nation.

It looks like these political parties in India keep failing to achieve even a little bit. And they keep coming back!

That is the negative aspect of Democracy.

The only good thing is that the right to decide is still with the people!

Are you suggesting that indian polictians' corruption is for public interest? Then I wonder why india is laging behind China even though it was once so far ahead in 1949.

No.

The pelf is not TOTALLY for the Self as in China!

Oh, come on, desn't indian politicians always claim that their sole idea is to improve public's interest? Doesn't they always claim they are the best representatives of their voters?

They claim to give the moon actually!

Just like all democracy.

And just like all democracy they fail to deliver as what they claimed!

That is why we can still tolerate CCP: they take the money and then do their work while indian politicians do nothing after grabing the money!

And they become millionaires in the bargain, each one of them!

 

[no smoking]

CCP was elected?

Or did they elect the people.

It is like every Nation has an Army.

Yes, CCP was elected by bullet 60 years ago. And they are very well aware that there will be another election very soon if they cannot satisfy public!

That is the negative aspect of Democracy.

The only good thing is that the right to decide is still with the people!

So india people is the one to blame for india's corruption?

They claim to give the moon actually!

Just like all democracy.

And just like all democracy they fail to deliver as what they claimed!

Then you understand why chinese public is not favor of democracy NOW!

And they become millionaires in the bargain, each one of them!

Since every politician is becoming millionaire whether he is in a democracy system or not, currently CCP is still China's best choice: at least they are giving every ordinary chinese more and more economic benefits!

 

[Ray]

Then you understand why chinese public is not favor of democracy NOW!

The real answer is Tienanmen Square!

There can never be a Tahrir Square in China!

 

[amoy]

I don't think Chinese don't want democracy.

The discrepancies perhaps lie in
- which model to follow, such as, the US, France, Japan, Russia or India (or a modified mixture of all sorts?)
- how the transition is to be staged and phased in

U may not like communist either as an ideology or a polictical party, in either your Indian context, or in our Chinese context. But, let's not consume ourselves in abstract discussions (such as if Communism is false, or how democracy functions in India for Dalits, or BJP is blah blah ). Anyway, at the end of the day, people don't eat an ideology or a party. Let's simply draft a set of "Key Performance Index" (KPI) to measure, or in other words, to compare apple to apple, how those parties perform in steering the countries in concrete terms, such as United Nations Statistics Division - Demographic and Social Statistics with 1949 as a start for both India and China, and 2012...

But I know, u may again label that as showcasing China or CCP propaganda or brainwashing

Then we're back to Square One.

 

[Ray]

Some people like freedom.

Some people like orderly life.

Chinese love Money and Orderly life.

The CCP provides that!

So Democracy in China?

The mindset for the same is as alien to the Chinese as discarding pork as the staple!

 

[amoy]

Not out of the thin air in Indices & Data | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) there're both freedom and orderly life.

Democracy is means but not ends.

CCP , BJP , Congress or ABC - need to live up to " KPI" in a modern society.

 

[gordon]

Some people like freedom.

Some people like orderly life.

Chinese love Money and Orderly life.

The CCP provides that!

So Democracy in China?

The mindset for the same is as alien to the Chinese as discarding pork as the staple!

Democracy and Freedom are good, how long will you use them to exterminate privation? how long will you use them to solve corruption? how long will you use them to improve outdated infrastructure? 50 years or some day in the future...

If china becomes a democratic country as you expect, Democratic china will claim more territory from india, will not separateTibet as you guys expect, will have to unite Pakistan, simply because india interfere with interest of Democratic china

poor Ray, don't be so simple and sometimes naive to think about that a democratic china will benefit india...

 

[Ray]

Democracy and Freedom are good, how long will you use them to exterminate privation? how long will you use them to solve corruption? how long will you use them to improve outdated infrastructure? 50 years or some day in the future...

If china becomes a democratic country as you expect, Democratic china will claim more territory from india, will not separateTibet as you guys expect, will have to unite Pakistan, simply because india interfere with interest of Democratic china

poor Ray, don't be so simple and sometimes naive to think about that a democratic china will benefit india...

That you possess a persecution complex is so evident wherein you feel I would take delight in China being democratic.

No way.

Some people require a strong hand to keep them moving along the straight and narrow. The Chinese are the ones who have to be pulled up by the short and curly or else they will not be productive.

See China, see Singapore!

Draconian ways alone can keep them in their place.

May I remind you that the Opium War was over long ago. Where are you obtaining the stuff that gives you hallucinatory pleasures that China will claim Indian territory?

Now, be a good boy and sing Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. You are in that state.

Let me help you on your way.

 

[Ray]

Not out of the thin air in Indices & Data | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) there're both freedom and orderly life.

Democracy is means but not ends.

CCP , BJP , Congress or ABC - need to live up to " KPI" in a modern society.

That is the modern way of looking at life.

What they do not take into account is the spiritual aspects that is a great binders.

You cannot bringing happiness in existence to a matter of statistics and figures.

The Chinese have this odd fascination for statistic, true and fudged.

Anger, rage and rebellion is all because of equating 'happiness' in a materialistic manner alone!

But you, of course, will not understand the aspect of spiritual bliss.