China - World's greatest Copycat

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Stop trolling, at-least our rocket did'nt blow up and kill civilians.




It's about triadic patent filing. Patents are not being granted
i admit, at the start i already knew laggards would bring this up. i already had the report and the screen shot of the graph. look again.



after all that talk about granted? what now?

btw, that was 2008. 2009 China has 128,489.

according to: Patent grants by patent office and country of origin (1995-2009)
Source: WIPO Statistics Database, January 2011
 
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"Everything is fair in love and war".

That is the only mantra they follow. Love is not in the air so it is anybody's guess. After being constantly ravaged in the last century by foreigners, Chinese government aka the CCP took a hard stance of ousting any foreign influence or anything that undermines their position which they disguise as China's position. This means: no holds barred.

-There is no ethics needed to defeat "the enemy".

-The Enemy did this to you last century, so get back at them by any means.

-Don't use direct threats so as to make them aware.

-Always keep them in confusion through ambiguous foreign policies.

-Always do 2-face talk.

-Deception is involved in every form of warfare whether it is a tender or downright war.

-Use enemy's might against him: capitalism and industrialization is imperialist might.. make them weak-kneed by offering low making costs, and pulling them to you. Their private companies care for profits and will pressure their government to not say no to you.

-Keep your enemy 'uneasy'. Don't be aggressive enough to make them alert nor be casual enough to let them dominate you.

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These are some of the simple principles CCP follows to reach where it is and this is reflected in their policies and actions.
 

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Brazil has twice as high GDP per capital as China's, and more than half of its population has actually access to toilet facility, and Brazil has a top commercial jet maker in Embraer.

Indians, and we chinese too, have to realize that how far behind we were and still are. There is a long way to go for all of us. Remember vividly when the asean fiance crisis broke out, someone at BR forum made fun of Indonesia. He was quickly cautioned by another forum member that even if Indonesia were to stand still in terms of development, it would take India at least 15 years to catch up.
Brazil is much higher on the Human development index, I agree. But GDP based on PPP, puts India on the fourth, Brazil on the 7th and Indonesia is on the 15th. GDP per capita is higher for Brazil because of the huge difference in population. I know about Embraer success, but other than that there's hardly anything worth matching India's industrial prowess. The main issue with India is that all that wealth, development in industry and infotech, the benefits are not reaching the grassroots simply because of the size of the population and a hapless government.
 

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Here's something to refresh your memory. Mind you, Russia is the pioneer in space technology.

http://www.space.com/165-russian-satellites-crash-pacific-ocean-failed-launch-reports.html

In course of testing and development, these incidents keep happening. So, what ! Even Chinese SLBMs have failed before attaining success. Big deal.
 

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Brazil has twice as high GDP per capital as China's, and more than half of its population has actually access to toilet facility, and Brazil has a top commercial jet maker in Embraer.

Indians, and we chinese too, have to realize that how far behind we were and still are. There is a long way to go for all of us. Remember vividly when the asean fiance crisis broke out, someone at BR forum made fun of Indonesia. He was quickly cautioned by another forum member that even if Indonesia were to stand still in terms of development, it would take India at least 15 years to catch up.
Did he (and you) note the contextual differences between India and Indonesia and Brazil?

India has often been forced to delay indigenous developments and purchase foreign as the issue has been forced upon them. All wars fought with India since Independence has had India take the role of the defender, never the aggressor, leading to the war being dictated largely on the aggressor's side. This constant uncertainty leads to India trying to balance a fine line between purchasing (and hence getting immediate security) NOW vs making continual process on Indigenous designs, as the money is not there for both.
 

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Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood :rolleyes:
 

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Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood :rolleyes:
LOL this has to be one of the stupidest posts ever... the whole POINT of the name is to draw comparisons with Hollywood, but are you comparing the Indian film industry and the American industry and saying we are copying them? HAHA
 

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Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood Bollywood Hollywood :rolleyes:
Bollywood is a media slang if I am not mistaken. It is still called the Hindi Film Industry officially IMO.

Also in this concept there are no IP rights being infringed upon. No one is making money by calling the Hindi Film Industry, Bollywood.
 

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Stop trolling, at-least our rocket did'nt blow up and kill civilians. [\QUOTE]
True the rocket exploded after launch.

However, the Chinese can see into the future with their space project.

The Chinese astronaut was already speaking of what he is observing, even before he was launched!!

This is about the Shenzhou-7 spacecraft .

China Launch Gaffe: Who Should We Believe?


But this feat pails into insignificance when compared with another stunning achievement. The Chinese authorities have shown that not only can they blast man into space – following in the pioneering footsteps of Russia and the USA – they also have the ability to foresee the future. Either that, or they've found a way to travel through time. Amazing as it may sound, it really did happen; transcripts of a "future" conversation between the Shenzhou-7 astronauts, whilst in orbit, were published on the official Chinese news website hours before the rocket engines had even ignited"¦

Wow!

"After this order, signal lights all were switched on, various data show up on rows of screens, hundreds of technicians staring at the screens, without missing any slightest changes"¦

"One minute to go!"

"Changjiang No.1 found the target!"

"The firm voice of the controller broke the silence of the whole ship. Now, the target is captured 12 seconds ahead of the predicted time"¦"

"The air pressure in the cabin is normal!"

"Ten minutes later, the ship disappears below the horizon. Warm clapping and excited cheering breaks the night sky, echoing across the silent Pacific Ocean."

- Apparent dialogue between the three Chinese astronauts on board Shenzhou-7 shortly after launch (text was published online hours before lift-off, and the article was dated for release on September 27th).


Read more: http://www.astroengine.com/2008/09/china-launch-gaffe-who-should-we-believe/#ixzz1Et6TxgKN
The above text says it all. The launch was successful and the three astronauts on board Shenzhou-7 were able to report that everything was working as expected, plus some nice narrative to give some atmosphere. The only problem was that this transcript was published on the official Chinese news website Xinhuanet.com long before Shenzhou-7 had even been launched atop the Long-March II-F rocket. The article, as if predicting the future, was dated for a September 27th release (two days from now), remained online for several hours before it was pulled offline. An Associated Press journalist was able to retrieve the text before it disappeared.

http://www.astroengine.com/2008/09/china-launch-gaffe-who-should-we-believe/
Not only they are copycats, the are very liberal in spinning yarns to deceive people and their own people too!
 
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Case is that Chinere is spending their energy working out every industry product by research or copy,while indians spend their energy poking fun of Chinese.

that is why China is busy exporting electricity generator all over the earth here while India is still busy importing electricity generators from China today. !
 
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India does not copy by principle as told by DRDO chief a long time ago.
Sir, I'd beg to differ on that. Also, let us not take the DRDO chief's comments as God's truth.

I will present the following for your perusal:

Also, regarding the Rifle Factory Ishapore made FN-FAL clones, there is a lot of controversy about whether it is a licensed copy or not.

Thus, while I would reserve my comments on the FN-FAL clones, I am pretty sure RFI (or OFB) never had any license from, or paid any royalty to, Izhmash or Mr. Mikhail T Kalashnikov.

However, India has company in the USSR and USA. Here's why:
 
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Case is that Chinere is spending their energy working out every industry product by research or copy,while indians spend their energy poking fun of Chinese.

that is why China is busy exporting electricity generator all over the earth here while India is still busy importing electricity generators from China today. !
On a lighter note, do you think we Indians should stop 'poking fun' at the Chinese lest they copy and learn the art of poking fun at others?

[just kidding buddy, no offense intended]
 

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Case is that Chinere is spending their energy working out every industry product by research or copy,while indians spend their energy poking fun of Chinese.

that is why China is busy exporting electricity generator all over the earth here while India is still busy importing electricity generators from China today. !
Research?

Like researching into how to steal military and industrial secrets?

If there are grounds as there is, then people will 'poke'.

India would prefer to import German generators, but they are expensive since they are higher quality.

It is better to buy a cheap product that will fail after some time and can be sold as scrap since India can afford to emulate the Waste economy!

I have just thrown away my grandson's Made in China police car that went duff. It was cheap and I did not feel the pinch, which I would have if it were a US, UK, German or Japanese product.
 

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:lol: at the number of Chinese patents. Here is a reality check for our Chinese posters.

Patents, yes; ideas, maybe
Chinese firms are filing lots of patents. How many represent good ideas?

Innovation in China

Oct 14th 2010 | Hong Kong | from the print edition

NO PATENT law existed in China until 1985, and the country has a deserved reputation for trampling on intellectual-property rights. But that could be changing. Anxious to promote domestic innovation, the Chinese government has created an ecosystem of incentives for its people to file patents.

Professors who do so are more likely to win tenure. Workers and students who file patents are more likely to earn a hukou (residence permit) to live in a desirable city. For some patents the government pays cash bonuses; for others it covers the substantial cost of filing. Corporate income tax can be cut from 25% to 15% for firms that file many patents. They are also more likely to win lucrative government contracts. Many companies therefore offer incentives to their employees to come up with patentable ideas. Huawei, a telecoms-equipment manufacturer that craves both government contracts and global recognition, pays patent-related bonuses of 10,000-100,000 yuan ($1,500-15,000).

Such incentives produce results. In 2008 Huawei filed more international patents than any other firm in the world. China's overall patent filings grew by 26% a year between 2003 and 2009, says a new report from Thomson Reuters, an information service. Growth was much slower elsewhere: 6% in America, 5% in South Korea, 4% in Europe and 1% in Japan.

Extrapolating, Thomson Reuters concludes that China will become the world's largest publisher of patents next year. Straight-line projections are not always reliable. But Dave Brown, president of the intellectual-property division at Thomson Reuters, says he is confident that this is indeed the way things are going. If China becomes the world's top patent-generator, the world's press will go wild.
Yet there are reasons for scepticism. The bureaucrats in Chinese patent offices are paid more if they approve more patents, say local lawyers. That must tempt them to say yes to ideas of dubious originality. And the generosity of China's incentives for patent-filing may make it worthwhile for companies and individuals to patent even worthless ideas. "Patents are easy to file," says Tony Chen, a patent attorney with Jones Day in Shanghai, "but gems are hard to find in a mountain of junk.":lol:

A cottage industry has sprung up to produce patents of suspect value. On Taobao, the Chinese eBay, patent writers and filers advertise their services for as little as 700 yuan for individuals or 2,000 yuan for corporations. Most of these patents are probably filed with the expectation that they will be ignored.


Some of this flimflam is captured by Thomson Reuters, which distinguishes between "invention patents", which require an examination to see if an idea is really novel, and "utility-model patents", which may be registered without an inspection and which confer lesser rights: only ten years of protection rather than 20. In recent years the number of utility-model patents has been growing particularly fast in China, and now equals the number of invention patents. Only a fifth of professionals working with patents surveyed by Thomson Reuters believed that Chinese patents were of high quality, a lower proportion than in any other region in the study.

Yet despite all this, it is clear that China really is growing more innovative. And the fact that the government now takes intellectual property seriously can only help. In the past year a German company has won a settlement of $3m in Beijing for infringement of its design for a bus, a British company has sued successfully over the heating element of a kettle and a firm from Wuhan has won $7m in a case against a company from Fujian and its Japanese supplier over the use of a process to clean sulphur. If ideas are protected, Chinese people will produce more of them.

http://www.economist.com/node/17257940
 

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J-10, J-11, Babur cruise missile, and many more and JF 17 lafender lolllll
 

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:lol: at the number of Chinese patents. Here is a reality check for our Chinese posters.
even the other poster knew the difference between filing and granting, you should learn it as well.

if you want reality check, every single patent India had in 2008 was filed under unknown for country residence. while half of Chinese patents actually had Chinese residence.

same was the case in 2007. Data from 2006 (finally some with Indian residence) show a ratio of 1907/7539 with residence in India. while for China in the same year, 25077/57786. dont even worry about good or bad patents. actually have domestic ones first.

patent filing, granted patents, triadic patents all tell the same story. last place runner doesnt get to criticize whether or not 4th place deserves their spot.


also, know the difference between regional, national and international patents.

"In 2010, international patent filings from China totaled 13,000 applications, a 61% increase from 2009, the China Daily reported. "

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/02/14/china.intellectual.property/index.html



heres another.


PCT international applications – Top 15 countries

Ranking Country 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 estimate 2010 percent 2010 growth
1 U S 51,280 54,043 51,637 45,618 44,855 27.5% -1.7%
2 Japan 27,025 27,743 28,760 29,802 32,156 19.7% 7.9%
3 Germany 16,736 17,821 18,855 16,797 17,171 10.5% 2.2%
4 China 3,942 5,455 6,120 7,900 12,337 7.6% 56.2%




Published PCT international applications by top applicants
2010 Ranking Position Changed Applicant's Name Country of Origin PCT application published in 2010 Increased over 2009
1 0 PANASONIC CORPORATION Japan 2,154 263
2 20 ZTE CORPORATION China 1,863 1,346
3 2 QUALCOMM INCORPORATED United States of America 1,677 397
4 -2 HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES CO., LTD. China 1,528 -319
5 -1 KONINKLIJKE PHILIPS ELECTRONICS N.V. Netherlands 1,435 140


2009 PCT international applications by countries (the only list i could find India on)
China - 7,900
India - 961



Both applicants and patent offices of PCT member states benefit from the uniform formality requirements, the international search and preliminary examination reports, and the centralized international publication provided by the PCT system. The national patent granting procedure and the related expenses are postponed, in the majority of cases, by up to 18 months (or even longer in the case of some offices) as compared with the traditional patent system. By this time, the applicant will have received important value-added information concerning the likelihood of obtaining patent protection as well as potential commercial interest in that invention. The PCT has 142 member states.



http://www.wipo.int/pressroom/en/articles/2011/article_0004.html
 
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Research?

Like researching into how to steal military and industrial secrets?

If there are grounds as there is, then people will 'poke'.

India would prefer to import German generators, but they are expensive since they are higher quality.

It is better to buy a cheap product that will fail after some time and can be sold as scrap since India can afford to emulate the Waste economy!

I have just thrown away my grandson's Made in China police car that went duff. It was cheap and I did not feel the pinch, which I would have if it were a US, UK, German or Japanese product.
even if you were to throw away all your underwear made in China,it still could not stop the increasing the import of "made in China'.

it is because most of "made in China" are not toys and underwears. Today, Chinese exports more electricity generators, ships, telecom facilities,railways,subways than any other country.


If you really want to throw away "made in CHina "out of India, you should

1.first demolish 50%+ of india mobile telecom infrastructures,because they are provided by Huawei or ZTE;

2.demolish the power plants in India, because they are using the electricity generators "made in CHina" perhaps;
 
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If copying/reverse engineering was so easy, nations all over the world would do it. China is doing something right, so you cant be hating on it. Comments by some Indians here sound similar to jealous Pakistanis that bashs India's efforts when they haven't dont sh*t.
 
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