China Warns India On South China Sea

[Bhadra]

China warns India: Foreign companies shouldn't engage in South China Sea


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Beijing/New Delhi: Days after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao that India was going ahead with an oil exploration pact with Vietnam in the South China Sea, Beijing has made its unhappiness clear.

China's foreign ministry spokesman Liu Weimin was asked today if the issue was raised in Dr Singh's meeting with Premier Wen at Bali. In his reply the spokesman said, "As for the discussion on the South China Sea issue, China has expounded its positions many times. We don't hope to see outside forces involved in the South China Sea dispute and do not want to see foreign companies to engage in activities that will undermine China's sovereignty and interests."

At his meeting with Premier Wen, in Bali, on Friday, the Indian Prime Minister had stood firm that India was going ahead with the oil exploration deal. Beijing has been upset since it claims these waters as its own and is engaged in a diplomatic row with several South East Asian nations.

Dr Singh irked China further when he told the East Asia Summit on Saturday that such issues should be discussed at multilateral forums.

India's ONGC-Videsh is undertaking oil exploration in two blocks claimed by Vietnam.

India has already said that exploration of oil and gas in the South China Sea was purely a commercial activity and the dispute should be sorted out under the international laws and
practices. China for its part maintains that the dispute involving it, Vietnam, Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia should be resolved bilaterally with these countries.

(with PTI inputs)


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[Bhadra]

This news is just in. May be tomorrow it will be headlines.
People have been warning and cautioning Govt of India with such threats.
The Warning coming at this time 21 Nov 11, one thing is sure that for another four month passes on India China border will be closed. Northern areas of Gilgit where Chinese have a large presence will also be heavily snowbound and not suitable for military operation.

So, what in your opinion can be the Chinese options:

Carry out Naval operations against ONGC in Vietnam and prove to the world that the ASB preparations of USA in South China Sea is fact fact justifies? Also invite War with Vietnam?

Launch military operations of low level against India in Himalayas and occupy some territory in spite of winters?

Resort to Missile threat against India.

Diplomatic coercion and bullying.

What in your view will China do further?

 

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[trackwhack]

This news is just in. May be tomorrow it will be headlines.
People have been warning and cautioning Govt of India with such threats.
The Warning coming at this time 21 Nov 11, one thing is sure that for another four month passes on India China border will be closed. Northern areas of Gilgit where Chinese have a large presence will also be heavily snowbound and not suitable for military operation.

So, what in your opinion can be the Chinese options:

Carry out Naval operations against ONGC in Vietnam and prove to the world that the ASB preparations of USA in South China Sea is fact fact justifies? Also invite War with Vietnam?

Launch military operations of low level against India in Himalayas and occupy some territory in spite of winters?

Resort to Missile threat against India.

Diplomatic coercion and bullying.

What in your view will China do further?

Barking Dogs Never Bite

 

[Bhadra]

Barking Dogs Never Bite

Chinese do everything : From barking to biting.

Ok, suppose they decide to bite, where and how they will bite, is the question ?

Is India ready with their dog catchers, is another question?

 

[nrj]

China has no case when it comes to international laws. Why don't they just understand that India is no longer worried about their warnings?

Real popcorn drama will start when ONGC begins physical drilling in next year.

 

[Bhadra]

China has no case when it comes to international laws. Why don't they just understand that India is no longer worried about their warnings?

Real popcorn drama will start when ONGC begins physical drilling in next year.

Sir, the question is simple, waht are the options available to China as on today or in near future, say next two months?

Simple.

 

[trackwhack]

Sir, the question is simple, waht are the options available to China as on today or in near future, say next two months?

Simple.

They dont have options. If they take out ONGC drills, there will be a blockade at Malacca. I cant see our response being any more subdued than that.

 

[SHASH2K2]

Haathi chale bazar dragon bhoonke hazar. who cares?

 

[Bhadra]

They dont have options. If they take out ONGC drills, there will be a blockade at Malacca. I cant see our response being any more subdued than that.

Hmmm ... blockade at Malacaca means full fledged Naval war? Does India has Naval capabilities to block three channels there ? Thatis the final option and not the first option..

Say, why cann't IN deploy more assets on Vietnam Coast to defend ONGC drill and rigs ?

 

[SADAKHUSH]

China warns India: Foreign companies shouldn't engage in South China Sea


Read more at: China warns India: Foreign companies shouldn't engage in South China Sea

Beijing/New Delhi: Days after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao that India was going ahead with an oil exploration pact with Vietnam in the South China Sea, Beijing has made its unhappiness clear.

China's foreign ministry spokesman Liu Weimin was asked today if the issue was raised in Dr Singh's meeting with Premier Wen at Bali. In his reply the spokesman said, "As for the discussion on the South China Sea issue, China has expounded its positions many times. We don't hope to see outside forces involved in the South China Sea dispute and do not want to see foreign companies to engage in activities that will undermine China's sovereignty and interests."

At his meeting with Premier Wen, in Bali, on Friday, the Indian Prime Minister had stood firm that India was going ahead with the oil exploration deal. Beijing has been upset since it claims these waters as its own and is engaged in a diplomatic row with several South East Asian nations.

Dr Singh irked China further when he told the East Asia Summit on Saturday that such issues should be discussed at multilateral forums.

India's ONGC-Videsh is undertaking oil exploration in two blocks claimed by Vietnam.

India has already said that exploration of oil and gas in the South China Sea was purely a commercial activity and the dispute should be sorted out under the international laws and
practices. China for its part maintains that the dispute involving it, Vietnam, Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia should be resolved bilaterally with these countries.

(with PTI inputs)


Read more at: China warns India: Foreign companies shouldn't engage in South China Sea

The time has come to test the resolve of mighty Dragon. It is in the interest of SEA nations to bind together and not give into any threats, if push comes to shove than meet the challenge head on but do not give in. If SEA nations let Dragon get away with their threats or any military action than repruccission of that will be unimaginable.

 

[thakur_ritesh]

Chinese do everything : From barking to biting.

Ok, suppose they decide to bite, where and how they will bite, is the question ?

Is India ready with their dog catchers, is another question?

china is a dog that wont bite directly, too much at stake for them, but yes they have quite a few who will be ready to bite for them.

what is it we will do if we get bitten by their pets? i suspect not much, MMS has already said, if anything like 26/11 happens, that will upset the apple cart, and no more.

 

[Bhadra]

Haathi chale bazar dragon bhoonke hazar. who cares?

That only Nehru could have done in past. Today neither the Indians can afford to do it not the Chinese. Both have billions to take care of.

 

[trackwhack]

Say, why cann't IN deploy more assets on Vietnam Coast to defend ONGC drill and rigs ?

Because..... Barking dogs never bite.

 

[Ray]

No harm testing the waters!

 

[nrj]

China has many options. You mentioned several of them earlier.

IMO India is readying its leverage for upcoming Border Resolution meets with Beijing.

China is already supporting low-intensity strikes against India, be it PoK or maoists.

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I find it unlikely that china will take any bold measure against Indian exploration in SCS. There are 2 reasons behind that -

• Apart from all noise of 'India entering Chinese backyard' & 'Dragon served his own medicine', Indian entry in SCS is still commercial. Indians are yet to start any drilling. There is no major military movement in that direction. Though IN is regularly visiting Viet ports, top level political will for aggressive venture is still not on cards.

• CCP is going through major leadership change. Several key politburo members stepping down. Any bold step in terms of foreign engagement will be avoided in such times.

Coming days will see many such warnings & exchange of harsh words. I doubt anything more than that will happen before late 2012.

 

[Bhadra]

The time has come to test the resolve of mighty Dragon. It is in the interest of SEA nations to bind together and not give into any threats, if push comes to shove than meet the challenge head on but do not give in. If SEA nations let Dragon get away with their threats or any military action than repruccission of that will be unimaginable.

You have very valid points.
the state of ASEANS is not very good and all are mired deeply with their problems. That is why China can pick up on India being the strongest partner .
If India is silenced even US will be silenced.
Credibility of US is questionable. Example Sadam Hussain being made an example by instigating him to invade Kuwait?
India will have to do every thing on her own steam?

Question again is what are the best options for China to prevent India from Vietnam? Let us focus on that.

 

[SHASH2K2]

That only Nehru could have done in past. Today neither the Indians can afford to do it not the Chinese. Both have billions to take care of.

Billions are our weakness but strength as well. Its not so easy to beat country of billions so easily.

 

[Bhadra]

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[*]CCP is going through major leadership change. Several key politburo members stepping down. Any bold step in terms of foreign engagement will be avoided in such times.
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Coming days will see many such warnings & exchange of harsh words. I doubt anything more than that will happen before late 2012.

That is what is the biggest problem. In their internal struggle, the Chinese leadership and specially the PLA takes hard positions. Leadership and leaders of various hues wish to garner support of PLA within party. That may force them to take hard stand.

That is partially the story of 1962.

 

[Ray]

China will await the time when there is General Election in swing in India!

And then........