China targets India for Buddhist monks' stir in Sichuan

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    China targets India for Buddhist monks' stir in Sichuan - Times Of India

    NEW DELHI: Rattled by a seemingly unending stream of self-immolations by young Buddhist monks in Sichuan, China, the Chinese authorities are blaming the Tibetan government-in-exile in India as well as what they call overseas organizations, press and media institutions.

    Self-immolations by monks could be one of the reasons for China to become more sensitive than usual to the Dalai Lama and the unusual pressure on India to restrict the Tibetan spiritual leader's movement.

    A commentary in the official Xinhua News Agency this week reflected the growing anger over the protests by monks, and annoyance with India for not clamping down on Dalai Lama. "Besides the mastermind behind the self-immolations, the instigation by some overseas organizations, press and media institutions, the 'living Buddha' and politicians also played a part."

    Chinese government called off boundary talks with India, after New Delhi refused to prevent the Dalai Lama from addressing a global Buddhist congregation. No fresh dates have been set yet by either side. The Chinese followed this up by asking West Bengal governor M K Narayanan and chief minister Mamata Banerjee to stay away from a Dalai Lama event in Kolkata last week. Startled on both occasions, the Indian government has pushed back vigorously against Chinese pressure. China is stretching the notion of what is "anti-Chinese" - by its current reckoning, every activity which includes the Dalai Lama, is, by definition, anti-Chinese.

    But by these actions, New Delhi believes Beijing is changing the field of play - in all these years, China's problems with the Dalai Lama were reasonably insulated from its dealings with India. The continuing immolations, especially coming just ahead of a politically fraught leadership transition, appear to have prompted Beijing to cast the net wide - reaching for the "foreign hand". China analysts here believe Beijing's response to New Delhi may become more shrill and even condemnatory and could risk bilateral ties.

    The living Buddha is known as Kirti Rimpoche by Tibetans here. He belongs to the Kirti monastery in Sichuan, having fled to Dharamsala in 1959 and has been a close associate of the Dalai Lama. The Kirti monastery has been the scene of many of the immolation bids by Tibetan monks in recent months. About 11 immolations have occurred in the Sichuan province since March, while reports of the 12th incident came in from the Tibetan Autonomous Region (TAR).

    The Xinhua commentary said, the immolations were meant to mar normalcy and the people's aspirations for stability, peace and welfare. "The monks will not be monks if they do not abide by Buddhist precepts, and monasteries will not be monasteries if they interfere with politics. Tibetan Buddhism is worried about whether it has been tarnished by these people," he said.

    China has spent billions in development of TAR, even sending Han Chinese to Tibet to tilt the demographic balance and resorting to hard-line crackdowns during riots and other incidents. "It doesn't seem to be working," Indian officials tracking China observed.
     
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  3. Iamanidiot

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    India must deport the Dalai lama and his people to Beverly hills hollywood
     
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    lets see when dalai lama takes nirvan. we will be having lots of firework in china after that
     
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    You know apparently self-immolation (i.e. suicide) is one of the worst ways a buddhist can die... Shows how effed their situation is when there is waves of this happening :(
     
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    Sometimes I don't feel bad for what the Japanese did to the Chinese in the 1930's and WW2.
     
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    Whats even worse is that given their views of birth death and rebirth, suicide not only affects what happens in this life, but in their subsequent lives as well. Must take nerves of steel to do something like that. Far harder to commit suicide believing this, rather than 72 virgins waiting for you...:(
     
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    Param my personal experience Japanese are a pain in the arse to deal with .Chinese and Koreans though introvert are good people and have a very straightforward psyche
     
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    .I hope those morons who blow themselves up for 72 virgins find out that those virgins are not exactly women.
     
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    Param your opinion on Tamil tigers
     
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    This is thread is not meant to discuss about Tamil tigers.
     
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    Yeah.. and lose the only card we hold. I didn't expect something better from you.
     
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    The Dalai Lama being in India is really just an excuse for China. If they Dalai Lama and Tibetans were in Mongolia - then they would find some other excuse to keep needling India on the borders, etc.

    The Dalai Lama being in India does not really translate into leverage for India, anyway. The Han Chinese will eventually overwhelm the Tibetans in Tibet and in a few generations the Tibetans will be come extinct except for the few that exist in India. The number of Tibetans in India is too small for any leaverage.

    The bottom line is very simple - The Chinese will do what they can to keep India off-balance("low equilibrium" to use MMS's words) in conjunction with their Pak allies. Its a 1-2 punch strategy from the left and right. The only thing that will make China stop is when India becomes strong enough. Until that happens - it will be never-ending game of low-level border discussions that go nowhere.

    Here is something to ponder - The Chinese have a huge border with Russia, but you dont see the Chinese screwing with the Russians - instead they screw with countries like India, Vietnam, Philipines, Japan, even tiny Bhutan. The reason is simple - they only screw with countries that are militarily small or weak.
     
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    No, they have tried to eff with the russians as well:
    Sino–Soviet border conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And China has not always been the dominant power they are today. Such thinking is something that has perpetrated throughout the years - say only they are being a bit more assertive today, showing even less respect to their neighbours.
     
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    Actually almost all East Asians are racist,in the sense they believe that their race is the greatest.

    All - Hans, Koreans,Japanese exhibit that.

    When they get the power they assert that. Imperial Japan exhibited it in WWII era, the Han China doing it now. And their nations being ethinicaly homogenous only adds to that.
     
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    I don't know how to put my thoughts in exact words..but for example the chinese have the concept of Middle Kingdom and all others are barbarians who need to be civilized. And similar notions exists among the Japanese too.


    Nothing. A middle kingdom like concept does not exist in Indian psyche.

    A possible positive thing is that there might no have been a caste system
     
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    Self immolations indeed don't helpp HH's cause, or even are doing damages. What ordinary people can relate that to? The People's Temple of Jim Jones? or Aum Shinrikyo, or FLG? People would just be shocked by the idea "setting themselves on fire"??

    By your standard Indians are also racists. Think abt slurs like Chinkis or Chicoms. the Central Kingdom notion was shaped when people hardly knew anything beyond their small fields.

    By the way China and Russia have settled border dispute long ago, dividing bordering Amur Rivers (Usuri / Heilongjiang) and islands. No more screwing each other therefore. As for Vietnam, Philipines, Japan all abt deep-water resources.
     
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    Even 72 virgin women used consecutively won't last for eternity.
     
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