China stops issuing stapled-visa's to Jammu & Kashmir

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  1. JayATL

    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    China stops issuing stapled-visa's to Jammu & Kashmirhttp://www.hindustantimes.com/China-working-on-stapled-visa-issues/H1-Article1-655885.aspx

    China has not issued stapled visas to residents of Jammu and Kashmir in the last few weeks after India raised the issue with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao last month. But the issue is far from settled, officials said in New Delhi on Friday. "We have not seen Kashmir-related stapled visas during the
    last few weeks," a senior official said.

    "Our embassy in Beijing has been in touch with the consular department of the foreign ministry in China and they have said they are working on a solution, that they are dealing with the problem. It should no longer be a problem once they are done dealing with it," the officials said.

    However, the officials stressed that India does not see the issue as "settled".

    On the arrests of three Chinese nationals on the charge of spying, the officials said the accused were in judicial custody in Uttar Pradesh.

    They had been found taking pictures of prohibited places.

    One of them had worked in Gurgaon and later went to Nepal.
     
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    they are working on a solution? Pffftt... playing games that's all. what olution are you looking for? just stamp the inside of the passport pages.

    You don't have stamps for other countries or for non Kashmir parts of India ? heh
     
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    Unless there is a credible amount of assurance that ensures of visas being stapled on Indian passports for those Indians from Kashmir state, I don't think people from the state (obviously other than separatists/terrorists) should go to China for whatever reasons till Chinese accept the terms of full recognition like we do for their territory.
     
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    Cannot trust Chinese for sure. it may have stopped now and tomorrow they may resume it again. One cannot be sure unless there is official confirmation and thats something which never comes from chinese .
     
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    I think its nothing more than a momentary pause, very difficult to trust them anyway.
     
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    I personally dont take that issue is settled, unless there is official confirmation.

    And the title of article is
    'China working on stapled-visa issues'.

    There should be rule on DFI of not editing the titles on the thread if you are copy pasting the article.
     
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    niharjhatn Regular Member

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    No, they ran out of staples.
     
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    Why should one believe this news report.Was there a formal official level statement made by chinese that they 've stopped giving stapled visa to J&K residents.with china no sort of guesses or just oral assurances works.Real chinese polices has to be determined by it actions on the ground or through written joint agreement.
     
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    let them keep issueing stapled visas it gives us more excuses for alliances,military exercises and trade with other countries and of course access to top of the line weaponry.
     
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    Why you need statement........... is it possible that government can bluff? You know our Media..... One Stapled Visa from now on & they will Beat Drums all around.

    Or one more way to know....... Try for a Visa to China. Since you are from kashmir, you can get a first hand feeling.
     
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    It is in the interest of china to keep good relation with India grow together, rather than feeding infested pakiz.
     
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    someone got upset that the "India commits genocide in Kashmir meme, it likes to promote", the anti indian vile vitriol it likes to promote maybe losing ground.- if the the Chinese reverse course from stapled visas. The news is direct anecdotal evidence of Indian Immigration officers who are not seeing stapled visas being issued anymore. could be a lull, but I'll look at the glass half full ...
     
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    Not stapled, J&K scribes get regular China visa

    NEW DELHI: In what has clearly saved government the blushes ahead of PM Manmohan Singh's visit to China, a Kashmiri journalist accompanying the PM to Sanya for the BRICS summit has been issued a routine stamped visa, and not a stapled one, by Chinese authorities.

    There are three other Kashmiri journalists travelling with the PM to China, who too have been granted proper visas, but only Sarawar Kashani, who works with a news agency, has a passport issued in Srinagar.

    Government sources, who maintained that the two countries are discussing the issue for an early resolution, however, were cautious in their reaction. "This is a PM visit and in any case, this is not the first time they have issued a regular, stamped visa to a Kashmiri in the recent past. We have to wait and see if an average Kashmiri wanting to go to China too is issued the same regular visa," said a source, adding that when China had invited people from India, it made sure they were issued regular and not stapled visas.

    Asked whether the stapled visa issue would be taken up by Singh with the Chinese president during his meeting in Sanya, foreign ministry spokesperson Vishnu Prakash said he didn't want to pre-judge what would be discussed. "It's important to recall that during Premier Wen Jiabao's visit to India last year in December, the issue had come up and it was agreed that the two sides would discuss the issue for an early resolution," he said.

    A senior Chinese official, Vice Minister Ai Ping, was quoted as saying by CNN-IBN that the decision to resolve the stapled visa issue came during Jiabao's visit to India. "When Premier Wen Jiabao visited India and took notice of the concerns expressed by the Indian side, he said he took notice of that. But for our two countries, we should have a larger perspective for bilateral relations. I am very confident the very capable diplomats of both countries are taking care of the specific issues between our two countries," said Ai Ping.

    Prakash described India's relations with China as "very important" and emphasized that both countries are making efforts to enhance convergences. China had in 2008 started the practice of issuing visas on loose sheets, which were stapled to the passport, to people from J&K. This had become a major irritant in bilateral relations. It all finally culminated in India terminating all defence exchanges with China last year after the Chinese authorities refused to issue a regular visa to then Northern Command chief Lieutenant-General B S Jaswal because he was serving in the state. The matter was then taken up by the PM with Hu last year when they had met on the sidelines of ASEAN summit.


     
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    Indians need to understand the Chinese mentality. "Dont miss the forest for the trees" when it comes to understanding the Chinaman. These stapled visa actions are not individual acts, but they should be seen as a collective series of actions by the Chinese to primarily embarrass and humiliate the Indian political leadership in front of its own huge 1 billion population.

    Manmohan Singh was right when he said that "China wants to keep India in a state of low equilibrium".

    Low equilibrium means that you always create an irritant for the Indians even when there are none. You create new sources of friction even if they dont create any real strategic value. You keep the other guy guessing all the time. Having a bunch of Indian bureaucrats and senior politicians huffing and puffing and humiliating them is enough for the Chinese.

    They have got the Pakistanis to create more serious lethal types of problems like terrorism for India, so in order to augment the work of the Pakistanis - all they need to do is create some diplomatic issues, and arm any rebel groups in India Its a 1-2-3 punch to keep India off balance.

    This is why the Chinese have never had any interest in resolving any of their border or other issues with India for the past 40 years.

    Indians already shoot themselves in the foot with massive corruption and all kinds of incompetent political actors, and other social issues.
    But even with all these problems, India has still made huge progress.

    What really worries the Chinese is the prospect that there will emerge a strong leader/party who will be able to take India to the next level - the kind of game-changing leader that the Chinese had in Deng Xioping. They know that if that ever happens then they will have both a serious economic and military rival in their own backyard.

    The Chinese are thinking " if these guys ever get their shit together, we will have our hands full dealing with them".

    So you expect these types of actions from the Chinese for the next 50 years unless India becomes militarily and economically strong enough to directly make the Chinese pay when they engage in these games.

    You wont see the Chinese screwing around with stapled visas to countries they are afraid of, even if they have territorial disputes with them. The Chinese only pick on lightweights. India's problem is that its a lightweight compared to China and the Chinese want India to stay there.
     
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    Another in the long list of Chinese guffaws after the whole Nobel Peace Prize affair. This was never a 'principle' stand as the Chinese liked to put it. Rather it was a test as to how long would India go if 'teased' and India did go the distance but only it was a bit more than the Chinese even expected - India rubbishing Chinese threat and attending Nobel Prize ceremony, Malabar exercises in the Western Pacific, India-Japan-US trilateral talks etc which have clearly rattled the Chinese.
     
  17. Phenom

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    Come on guys,
    why no love for China? ;)

    Let's just say this is a good step, it would have been better if they are never done it in the first place. But nonetheless let's be happy that they finally did the right thing.
     

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