China 'sends armed helicopters to Myanmar separatists'

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  1. cobra commando

    cobra commando Tharki regiment Veteran Member Senior Member

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    By Anthony Davis, Tian Li and
    James Hardy
    4/29/2013
    Myanmar's insurgent United Wa State Army (UWSA) has for the first time acquired an armed
    rotary-wing aviation capability with assistance from China: the latest move in a programme of rapid rearmament.
    China delivered several Mil Mi-17 'Hip' medium-transport
    helicopters armed with TY-90 air- to-air missiles to the Wa in late February and early March, according to both Myanmar ethnic minority and Myanmar government sources. The UWSA controls a wide wedge of territory along the Chinese border in northeastern Shan State and is currently in a fragile ceasefire agreement with the Myanmar military, or 'Tatmadaw'. The Mi-17s reached the Wa-
    administered area by flying
    across the Mekong River from Lao rather than direct from China, according to one ethnic minority military source, who added that five helicopters had been delivered. A Myanmar
    government source confirmed that helicopters had reached the UWSA but said only two aircraft had been delivered. According to the ethnic minority source, the Mi-17s are armed with what appear to be Chinese TY-90 short-range air-to-air missiles. If this report is accurate, the TY-90 would provide a serious deterrent to Tatmadaw Mi-24P 'Hind'
    gunships recently acquired from Russia and already deployed in counter-insurgency operations against the Kachin Independence Army (KIA).


    China 'sends armed helicopters to Myanmar separatists'
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    PRC is becoming another rogue state, fomenting trouble everywhere.

    I think they want to eventually annex that territory of Myanmar.

    We are headed for a lot of fireworks.
     
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    They have been a rouge state for long. This state China has lied 3 to 4 times on nuclear proliferation to Pakistan on international forums.
     
  5. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Even if the story "Chinese selling armed helicopter to Wa State" were true, this report has great fallacies.

    1) Wa State / UWSA is not "insurgent", but a legitimate entity inside Myanmar

    2) Wa State is not separatist

    Based on Panglong Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which the military junta had revoked unilaterally.

    Wa State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Something like sending Armed Helicopters to Tibet - it being the Tibetan Autonomous Region?
     
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    The Burmese are not indians and chinese will suffer horribly just as the machu dynasty failed against burman many times.


    zahar kate zahar ko.
     
  8. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    The so-called "autonomy" is defined by each country, in line with each's internal "realpolitik".

    And on basis of principles set forth in Panglong Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the Union of Burma came into being after independence
    India certainly can sell Tibet armed heli notwithstanding China's "sovereignty" it recognizes over Tibet . Hasn't India housed a govmt in exile already?
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    1. The Wa State is not recognized by the Govt. of Burma. There seems to be a balance between the govt. and the UWSP which prevents escalation.
    2. The United Wa State Army (UWSA) is the military wing of the United Wa State Party (UWSP), which was formed after collapse of communist party of Burma, by former members of the commie party. Their (UWSP's) political setup emulates the political features of the Govt. of China and they use the Chinese language for administrative purposes.
    3. UWSA has links with ULFA.
    4. UWSA is heavily involved in narcotics trafficking.

    United Wa State Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Wa State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Looks like the Chinese want some extra land.
     
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    That government in exile is not allowed to carry out any secessionist activities or killing chinese people in tibet unlike the burmese wa party which has slaughtered many burmese.
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Here are the peace deals >> Myanmar Peace Monitor

    regardless of whatever ties Wa State has with freedom fighters like ULFA, or whatever language they're using (Chinese?), or whatever ideology they're following
     
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    nimo_cn Senior Member Senior Member

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    Setting up a government in exile is secessionist activity.

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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    India does not sell weaponry.

    India has housed the Tibetans who fled the atrocities and genocide perpetuated by the Chinese in Tibet.

    India is a signatory to the UN Charter on Refugees

    Article 1 of the Convention as amended by the 1967 Protocol provides the definition of a refugee:

    "A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it..

    In the general principle of international law, treaties in force are binding upon the parties to it and must be performed in good faith. Countries that have ratified the Refugee Convention are obliged to protect refugees that are on their territory, in accordance with its terms


    If India had not given refuge, India would have flouted the provisions of the UN Charter.

    Hence, India did as was right as per the International acceptance.

    China may not subscribe to the idea of nations obeying the UN Charter, but then China is not the World.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Those who understand what is refuge and the term refugee or have an idea of the UN Charter on Refugees and their re-establishing their lives in exile would not claim that taking refuge is a secessionist activity
     
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    On the issue of Tibet, this would prove adequate.

    The Tibet China relationship is at best, a patron – priest equation that is a concept that defies modern international legal understanding. Mongols did occupy Tibet but did not make Tibet an integral part of China. In fact, the official Chinese historiography, over several dynasties, depicting the delineation of the State in the chapter on geography (dilizhi) does not mention Tibet during Yuan. There is no indication in Tibetan, or for that matter, Chinese that any of those within Tibet exercised power on behalf of the Ming court.

    During the Qing period, Tibet was termed as fanbang or vassal state, but not as an integral part of China. Tibet’s jurisdiction fell under China’s Lifanyaun or Court of Colonial Affairs as did China’s relations with Mongolia. This department also handled China’s relations with Russia.
     
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    It appears China bolsters all nations with weaponry that have some issue or the other.

    Like Zimbabwe, Libya. Sudan, the Mujahideens and now this region!

    Till now, China was bolstering the military regime of Myanmar, but now that it is trying to become a democracy and distancing itself from China, China is arming the rebel groups to the teeth.

    Flip Flop!

    See Saw Margery Daw,
    Jacky shall have a new master;
    - Nursery rhyme

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    Bolstering a government in exile to undermine a neighbor is different from giving refuge. So no more obsfucation.

    Does the past of Tibet matter? What's important NOW is it belongs to China.

    How was India cobbled up? By annexing Ladakh, Kashmir, Hyderabad, Assam, Sikkim and so on. Your classical case was overthrowing the legitimate regime of Sikkim Chogyal in conspiration with the 5th column - traitors in Sikkim by a so-called referendum while refusing to honour a referendum in Kashmir as instructed by UN resolution.

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    Needless to mention how u grabbed Goa a Portuguese enclave blantantly despite condemnation by the international community.

    With China-Myanmar pipeline to open in May - FT.com, Sino-Myanmar bhai bhai will even be more intimate!
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    And Aung Sang Suu Kyi has grown up as a sophisticated politician now >>> Free exchange: Property and the Lady | The Economist
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    AAMs? :wat:

    But Myanmar AF has Mig-29s. Good luck to UWSA.
     
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    The west gifted the halo to the lady, and they are taking it away after finding out the lady is unwilling to cooperate with them in the containment of China.

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    Yeah, I don't understand the choice of AAMs and Mi-17s either. Wouldn't it make more sense to give them lighter attack helos with anti-armor capabilities?
     
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    So this is the reason why Myanmar went to the US? China has been plotting and slowly dividing them all along...
     

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