China, Pakistan reach secret nuclear reactor deal for Pakistan

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  1. Daredevil

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    China and Pakistan reached a formal agreement last month to construct a third nuclear reactor at Chashma that the Obama administration says will violate Beijing’s promises under an international anti-nuclear weapons accord.

    According to U.S. intelligence and diplomatic officials, the secret agreement for the Chashma 3 reactor was signed in Beijing during the visit by a delegation from the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission from Feb. 15 to 18.

    The agreement calls for the state-run China National Nuclear Corp. (CNNC) to construct a 1,000-megawatt power plant at Chashma, located in the northern province of Punjab, where two earlier Chinese reactors were built.

    China’s government last month issued an internal notice to officials within its nuclear establishment and to regional political leaders urging care to avoid any leaks of information about the nuclear sale that Beijing expects will be controversial, said officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    The reactor deal had been in the works for several years and prompted high-level U.S. government efforts to block the sale because of concerns it will boost Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program.

    The CNNC is China’s main nuclear weapons producer and has been linked in the past to Pakistan’s nuclear arms program by U.S. intelligence agencies. CNNC sold thousands of ring magnets to Pakistan during the 1990s that were used in centrifuges that produced highly enriched uranium for weapons.

    Additionally, recent U.S. intelligence reports indicate that China, which supplied Pakistan with nuclear weapons design data and technology, is in the process of modernizing Islamabad’s nuclear arsenal, which is estimated to contain as many as 110 warheads.

    The arms cooperation is said to include development of a new warhead for Pakistan’s growing missile arsenal as well as assistance in reprocessing spent nuclear fuel.

    A Congressional Research Service report published Feb. 13 stated, “Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal probably consists of approximately 90-110 nuclear warheads, although it could be larger.”

    Islamabad is producing fissile material, adding to related production facilities, and deploying additional delivery vehicles,” the CRS report said. “These steps could enable Pakistan to undertake both quantitative and qualitative improvements to its nuclear arsenal.”

    The report warned that spent fuel from Pakistan’s Karachi and Chashma nuclear power plants are vulnerable to theft or attack.

    Pakistan produced one of the most dangerous cases of nuclear proliferation in the early 2000s when weapons technology was supplied to Libya, Iran, and North Korea by the supplier group led by Pakistani nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan.

    The Obama administration has not publicly contested the nuclear cooperation between the two countries in the past to avoid upsetting U.S. covert efforts against Islamist terrorism in the region.

    The Beijing-Islamabad nuclear cooperation also has been limited as a result of U.S. efforts to win Chinese support for sanctions on Iran for its illicit nuclear program.

    The new reactor sale also will undermine the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a voluntary association with no enforcement mechanisms that is viewed as a key tool in the administration’s effort to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons.

    China in 2004 joined the group and agreed not to sell additional reactors to Pakistan beyond the two reactors sold earlier. China is not permitted under NSG guidelines to sell nuclear goods to any country that is not part of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

    Two U.S. officials confirmed that the Chashma reactor deal was finally reached.

    Spokesmen for the Chinese and Pakistani embassies could not be reached for comment.

    A State Department official declined to provide details of the sale but said it is not permitted under the U.S. understanding of China’s admission to the nuclear group. That understanding is that China would not sell additional reactors to Pakistan’s Chashma complex.

    “Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) participating governments have discussed the issue of China’s expansion of nuclear cooperation with Pakistan at the last several NSG plenary sessions,” the official said.

    “We remain concerned that a transfer of new reactors at Chashma appears to extend beyond the cooperation that was ‘grandfathered’ in when China was approved for membership in the NSG.”

    The administration is expected to protest the sale at an upcoming NSG meeting in June.

    Pakistan does not have full-scope IAEA safeguards in place, something that is required before China could provide the third Chashma reactor.

    The 46-member NSG was formed in 1974 and its stated mission is to “contribute to the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons through the implementation of guidelines for nuclear exports and nuclear related exports.”

    China agreed as part of its NSG membership that it would limit future reactor sales to Pakistan to the Chashma 1 and Chashma 2 reactors.

    The officials said China specifically directed Pakistani officials not to make the latest reactor deal public. Beijing sought to avoid the negative publicity expected from the deal that could upset the leadership transition that took place last week at the National People’s Congress, the communist mock parliament that formally appointed top communist leaders to government posts, the officials said.

    China also sought to keep the reactor agreement secret from the United States, which this year is serving as the rotating head of the NSG.

    The Chinese also urged the Pakistani delegation from the Atomic Energy Commission to play down the recent transfer of control to a Chinese company of the key port of Gwadar that U.S. officials said likely will be used by Chinese warships for port calls.

    The port is close to the Persian Gulf, where some 20 percent of the world’s oil is produced.

    The deal for Chashma was announced in July 2010 during the visit to China by Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari. However, the announced arrangement was limited to a memorandum of understanding.

    China, Pakistan reach secret nuclear reactor deal for Pakistan - Washington Times
     
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    One more reason to not trust a snake like China. It again violated international laws that it agreed up on to support nuclear programme of Pakistan as a hedge against India.
     
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    USA and UN should seriously take some steps to stop so many secret relation of pak-china


    surrendering of gawadar and gilgit-baltistan is bearing fruits now
     
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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    USA or any other country just cant do anything.so this could be the reason why they are silent now

    Double standard from USA
    Pakistan is under energy crisis while

    *They dont want us to sign deals with China for nuclear reactors even if they are under IAEA
    *They dont want us to sign deal with iran for pipeline
    *Stopped the funds by forcing WB for basha DAM

    And most important forced france as well as themselves dont want to have civilian nuclear program

    Better they STFO
     
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    khamoshi bara tufaan ane ki nishani hoti ha
     
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    US currently is not ballsy enough to do anything to China... But will they now put sanctions on Pak? Will they dry up funds and aid? Will they do the same things they did to Iran and NK?

    Or will US stay blind to Pak violating almost every norms till 2014? Genocide, Chemical Weapons, nuclear proliferation to NK & Iran, Human rights Violation and providing training and safe heaven to terrorists allover the world?

    This is the big test for US and UN to prove that they are not the world's biggest hypocrite.

     
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    China defends deal to build 1000 MW nuclear plant for Pakistan


    BEIJING: Tacitly confirming reports of signing of an agreement with Pakistan to build a huge 1000 MW nuclear power plant, China on Monday defended the deal saying that it confirmed to safeguards of the IAEA and rejected allegations that it has violated NSG norms.

    "China has noted the relevant report", Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei told a media briefing here on Monday.

    He was replying to a question on reports from Washington that Beijing has secretly entered a deal with Pakistan to construct the plant at Chashma in Punjab province.

    On allegations that the deal violated the norms set by 46 member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), which regulates the issues relating to nuclear proliferation and commerce, Hong said, "I want to point out that relevant cooperation between China and Pakistan does not violate relevant norms of the NSG".

    In recent years China and Pakistan have had some cooperation in the field of civilian nuclear cooperation, he said.

    All this cooperation is for peaceful use and this cooperation is in compliance with our respective international obligations and subject to the safeguards of the IAEA, Hong said.

    A Washington-based news report had said two days ago that China has secretly signed the deal to construct a new power plant at Chashma.

    China has so far aided and assisted Pakistan in constructing four power plants at Chashma.

    Chashma I and II were stated to be 300 MW each and as per the previous plans the III and IV were stated to have 340 MW each.

    While I and II were already commissioned, three and four were expected to be commissioned in 2016.

    It is not clear whether the 1000 MW reactor would be a fifth one to be constructed there or the third reactor would be upgraded.

    -PTI
     
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    "Understanding" is a weasel-word. Will Kerry say anything?
     
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    Once the NSG 'violated its own laws' to grant India an exemption, the ability of NSG members to influence opposition towards China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation declined dramatically.
     
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    Exemption is different violation. And Pakistan was not exempted because of its 'proliferation record'. But what china doing now is violating the laws that it has signed up to.
     
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    When China was admitted to the NSG the 'understanding', according the NSG's own Charter, was that the NSG countries would not engage in nuclear trade with NPT non-signatories, yet the NSG granted an exemption to India in a violation of its own Charter, so how exactly does any 'US understanding about Chinese nuclear cooperation with Pakistan' have any merit now?
     
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    There is no language in the NSG Charter that provides a route for 'NSG exemption to an NPT non-signatory on the basis of a non-proliferation record'.

    The entire NSG exemption for India was concocted out of nothing and most objective commentators even then were arguing that going down that route would potentially significantly undermine the NSG.
     
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    Since its unanimous, NSG can change its charter and give a clean waiver. Waiver's are given to many countries in trading under special circumstances. For example, pakistan got waivers from US and EU regarding the duty on textile exports because they can give that waiver but its not given to every country.

    Pakistan failed to get the waiver because it failed to check proliferation and according to neutral observers it actively indulged in proliferation of nuclear technology.

    China is violating NSG laws by exporting 'nuclear fuel' from the imports its getting from other countries.
     
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    See, here is the thing, the NSG did not 'amend' its Charter to allow exemptions for NPT non-signatories - in allowing an exemption without amending its Charter to allow for exemptions, the NSG violated its own Charter.

    If a Constitution expressly forbids X, then the legislature cannot 'make an exemption to allow X for one particular individual', the legislature must first amend the constitution to either 'allow X for all individuals' or amend the constitution to 'allow exemptions for X under certain conditions'.
     
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    First of all, this is not a constitution. This is a nuclear fuel export controlling group and they can do whatever they want as long as it is unanimous and not bound to any country's law. They all unanimously decided that Indian behaved well and it deserves a special exemption under certain conditions. Pakistan was not given exemption because it actively proliferated nuke weapons technology.

    China violated the NSG laid down guidelines and supplying nuclear fuel. Did NSG give unanimous exemption to this?.
     
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    If the NSG's own guidelines mean nothing and can be blatantly violated in allowing an exemption to India, then how can you argue that any of the other NSG guidelines retain any relevance?

    See the following excerpt from the NSG's guidelines and explain to me how, and where, these guidelines were amended to allow for the NSG exemption to India:

    (a) In the context of this policy, suppliers should not authorize the transfer of enrichment and reprocessing facilities, and equipment and technology therefore if the recipient does not meet, at least, all of the following criteria:
    (i) Is a Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and is in full compliance with its obligations under the Treaty;
     
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    What do you mean by blatantly violated. Its a group and can do whatever they want as long as everyone agrees. NSG guidelines retain relevance to those who are part of NSG.

    If China is violating the NSG guidelines to the dislike of other NSG group members they can take action. Until unless there is no consensus among the NSG group members regarding the supply of nuclear fuel to Pakistan by China, then China is violating the guidelines which it is part of without the permission of others. The NSG group can cut-off supplies to China if they want.

    These are guidelines and they made an exception. Which part is not clear for you?. They made an EXCEPTION and gave a clear WAIVER for the supply of nuclear fuel and other civilian nuclear technology under certain conditions and under watchful eyes of IAEA.

    Let me give you an analogy. A group of 10 rich people decide that they are not going to give AID to a certain NGO institutions because they think they can cause chaos in their part of country. But later decide that a certain NGO due to good behaviour can be funded by giving a waiver to their earlier decision to not do so. Now what is stopping them to give a waiver?. Is there any law stopping them?. Is there any constitution stoping them?. Its just a group and they can do whatever they want as a group as long as all the members agree to do it.

    But if one of the rich guy form the group without the knowledge of others wants to give aid to another certain NGO which is proved to cause Chaos, then isn't that rich guy going against the decision of the group?. If he wants to give the aid to this certain NGO, then he should step out of that group and do it. Same with China. It should step out of NSG and do whatever it wants.
     
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    When was this deal secret , we are hearing this news for last few years on particular form that they are going to have deal .

    And USA wont do anything and why would they do. Did their any company got any order for nuclear deal
     
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    Civil nuclear ties with Pakistan no violation: China

    Civil nuclear ties with Pakistan no violation: China

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    Chinese official says China's cooperation with Pakistan in energy sector would continue.

    BEIJING (Agencies): China on Monday mounted a defence of its on-going and controversial civilian nuclear cooperation with Pakistan, arguing that its exports of nuclear reactors “did not violate the norms” of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), a body that governs global nuclear trade.

    According to reports, Chinese companies are reported to be involved in the construction of at least two new reactors at the Chashma nuclear power complex in Pakistan, where China has already built two reactors.

    Last month, China and Pakistan reportedly signed another deal for a 1,000 MW reactor at Chashma during a visit by the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission to China between February 15 and 18, according to a Friday report in the Washington Free Beacon that cited U.S. intelligence sources.

    Chinese officials on Monday did not deny the Washington Free Beacon s report.


    Asked if he could confirm the deal, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hong Lei told reporters, “China has noted the relevant report”.

    Suggesting that China s cooperation with Pakistan would continue, he said: "I want to point out that relevant cooperation between China and Pakistan does not violate relevant norms of the NSG.

    In recent years, China and Pakistan have carried out some cooperation in the field of civilian nuclear cooperation.

    All this cooperation is for peaceful use and this cooperation is in compliance with our respective international obligations and subject to the safeguards of the IAEA”.

    Agreements signed by the China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC) in 2009 for two new reactors, Chashma-3 and Chashma-4, had triggered controversy as the deals were struck after China became a member of the NSG, a 46-member body that prohibits the sale of technology to countries that have not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

    India had to seek a waiver from the NSG, by undertaking a range of commitments, before its civilian nuclear deal with the U.S. went ahead.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) granted its approval to a safeguards agreement for the two new reactors, Chashma-3 and Chashma-4, in March 2011.

    The Washington Free Beacon report left unclear whether the deal for the 1,000 MW reactor was for a new fifth reactor at Chashma, or whether it referred to upgrading an earlier agreement.

    When asked about the deals at NSG meetings in 2011, Chinese officials had argued that the two new reactors were “grandfathered” under the earlier deals for Chashma-1 and Chashma-2, which China had already declared as part of its commitments when it joined the body.

    Last year, CNNC officials told a conference in Beijing they were in talks to export another 1,000 MW reactor to Pakistan, either to Chashma or to the Karachi Nuclear Power Plant complex.

    That China and Pakistan were in negotiations for another deal, despite concerns voiced by some NSG members, was seen at the time as an indication that China was prepared to go ahead with exports, regardless of the group s concerns.

    Source: Dunya News: Pakistan:-Civil nuclear ties with Pakistan no violation: Chi...
     
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    Re: Civil nuclear ties with Pakistan no violation: China


    if u posted here why made new thread on this:confused::confused::confused:

    @ mods pls delete his new thread on same topic
     

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