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China authorities 'got $5 trillion' by selling peasant's land
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Not like that. I think in China all lands belongs to state and government, not belongs to private as Singapore.
Seems you are right. Our Singapore land is much more expensive than China. so Singapore is more advanced. Hehe
I think this is true of your statement: Chinese officers make things done after getting the money, while Indian officers do not.
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you had better compare singapore with one CHinese city with similar area and popoulation.
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1 if prc really cares to help your separatists like you are doing to help hh in NE your 7 sister states have been independent.....the bottomline is if they go independent prc may also be affected by the refugees and chaos so better clean your own legacy mess from the brits without thinking foreign hands.......
2 not me but the link says people there envy.....maybe i shouldnt call them indians......
3 here we go the hare and tortoise again......not that i am saying prc is the hare but in real world tortoise can never beat hare so better tell this story to indian kids only.....
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you think with all your help you could separate the 7 sisters states from India!do you think that we are going to sit and watch that silently!your CCP tried that tactics for a long time with little success and hence they are slowly stopping the logistical support to the rebels as they have realized its futility!
secondly the hare and the tortoise story exactly applies to the current scenerio.20 years back nobody could have imagined that china would overcome Japan to be the 2nd largest economy in the world and yet this is a reality at present,so you are making that old mistake again of under-estimating Indian capability!
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if China were really to help independent movement in NE India, CHina could easily arm those sparatist with tanks,missles and other heavy weapons,because CHIna has lots of old weapon stocks ,which is waiting for demolishing....
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Educate us on the news insurgents of Arunachal.
As usual you as a Chinese are showing your colours by obfuscating and going tangential to as to veer it from the reality and truth.
Indeed, the Tibetans do not want to be a pert of China and indeed it is not for economic reasons.
Who did not know that?
They don't want to be with China because China is back to the old tricks of Sinicising them and wiping out the Tibetan culture, language etc i.e. their roots and singular identity.
It is you who is ignorant. Buddhists cannot be Hindus or else they would be called Hindus and not Buddhists.
And how can a Tibetan be an Indian?
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One has to understand the context.
The Tibetans have lost everything to the Chinese imperialists who are now doing a and identity genocide in Tibet.
The Tibetans now have no country of their own.
They are living in mass in Dharamsala and think that it is oasis.
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There are many chinese suckers in indian media spewing out china is glorious stuff. but we can browse the net freely and find out exactly the opposite is also true of China. Simply said China started economic reforms 10 years ahead. So they are ten years ahead now. however in due course the initial high momentum economic growth in China will taper off. And india will catch up with China. If you have any doubt compare the economic growth of china with that of japan , before reform and after reform. Once every one said that japan will overtake US in so and so years. But it did not happen.
Tell the impoverished local people in India's northeast, to ask the question to the families of 100 Tibetian monks who set themselves ablaze in the economic powerhouse called China. And ask them to talk to tens of thousands of Tibetians scattered all over the world about the benovolence of CCP.
How many impoverished local people in India's northeast are setting themselves ablaze and running all over the world fearing CCP?
How many of impoverished local people in India's northeast had their loved ones sent to labor camp and killed in the folly called cultural revolution?
How many regional groups of impoverished local people in India's northeast are being reduced to minority in thier own land by settling huge number of han chinese ?
How many regional groups of impoverished local people in India's northeast had their religious freedom curtailed? And the head of their religion driven out?
See every one knows the economic stats of china are not exactly authentic there are three chinese citizens living in dire poverty in chinese hinter land compared to every one affluent Shangai chinese citizen showing off.
Even that affluent citizen cannot broswse the web freeely . Compare it to the vociferous protests of even marginalized Indian poor , which can reverse the Government's corrupt decisions backed by powerful vested interests like Reliance Industries SEZ.
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Fanciful theories. Unlike china where CCP official has discretionary powers to determine the amount that goes to the peasant and determine which chinese house buyer pays how much to buy a house in which area, An indian official has no role to play in the free market sale of peasant land to developers.
Infact many of my relatives back home are making millions of ruppees by selling a piece of their ancestral land to fund the eductation of their kids abroad directly to developers at free market determined prices with no fllecing CCP officail kind of person to intervene!!!
That's what I infered and you are ranting about crime rates and other OT. Who knows what is the crime rate in many of china's cities? Haven't read about the murder of british citizen committed by a ranking CCP official ,Bo's wife in a dispute over stolen bribe money stashed abroad. If this can happen to british citizen, what can happen to Chinese?
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Even an illiterate indian farmer has the right to challenge the indian govt under free and fair indian laws with the help of learned attorneys and get justice by making the govt to increase the compensation for lands taken for public projects. And no illeterate indian farmer can be cheated out of his land by any CCp official type here.
In a fair reaching judgemnt in a case filed by one such group of Indain iliterate farmers the high court of TN barred the govt from seizing peasant lands at way below market prices with no express intent and stashing them away for decades and leasing it out to powerful vested interests industrialists at dirt cheap rate and reaping illegal profits by depriving the farmers of their fair market price decades later.
It directed the state govt to first use up all the lands that are seized from the peasants before commencing fresh acquisitions.So for over a decade the govt did not take over the peasant lands for housing projects and is using up the existing land bank.
It also barred the govt from diverting land taken for one project stating it meant for public use to another project . Now last year the guideline values were increased by ten fold. So if the TN govt takes over land it should have to pay market rates as compensation.If it is china CCP official types would have taken over vast tracts of land from literate peasants a decade before at throw away price.Stashed them for decades and would have made a killing by allocating it to house buyers at fancy rates with huge bribes of course, withthe supposedly literate peasant watching helplessly.
CAn this happen in a 92 percent literate china?
What can the 92 percent literate chinese farmer can do ? when he has no free and fair justice system of a true democratic nation like India ? He has to grit his teeth and bear the exploitation . That's all. ileterate indian poor farmers of pune Mumbai region demanded a public referundum agaainst the reliance backed SEZ. And voted it out . What can the literate chinese peasant do?
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It says the poor peasants were cheated out of higher compensation meant to them by the chinese stae .How much of this 5 trillion went to govt and how much went as bribes to officials is anybody's guess.
Because we always know that once huge discretionary powers of determining " which house buyer buys which house at which area at which rate " and "which poor farmers lands must be taken over at which rate at what time" are vested with CCP official type with no scope for intervention from free and fair judiciary, the only thing that will result is the cheated out peasants and corrupt CCP officials reaping huge bribes from house buyers.
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China authorities 'got $5 trillion' by selling peasant's land.
Great way to get the economy and infrastructure going!
Peasants were at one time the source of inspiration for China.
Now, they are redundant and are an impediment which can be cast asunder!
China has the money to buy farmland around the world and feed the Chinese.
So, who cares in the Chinese Govt and the CCP about the Chines farmer?
The Chinese farmer has overlived their shelf life!
Great way to get the economy and infrastructure going!
Peasants were at one time the source of inspiration for China.
Now, they are redundant and are an impediment which can be cast asunder!
China has the money to buy farmland around the world and feed the Chinese.
So, who cares in the Chinese Govt and the CCP about the Chines farmer?
The Chinese farmer has overlived their shelf life!
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Now the stae of Punjab where golden temple(which was infested at that time with terrorists armed by your all weather friend PAKISTAN) is located is peacefully ruled over by a Sikh majority party with sikhs enjoying free right to practice their religion and unfettered right to property and free elections and fair judiciary.
Even the regional groups of impoverished north eastern indian states are enjoying this right.
Can you say when it will happen to Tibetinas in Tibet ?
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Eh,, your ignorance has no boundaries.
Ever heard of the wukan protests?
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LAND SEIZURES, PROTESTS AND FARMER'S RIGHTS IN CHINA - China | Facts and Details
Efforts to Stop Land Seizures in China
Jeremy Page and Brian Spegele wrote in the Wall Street Journal: China's Land Ministry has also warned that misappropriation of farmland has brought the country dangerously close to the so-called red line of 296 million acres of arable land that the government believes it needs to feed China's 1.34 billion people. The Land Ministry, which uses satellite imagery to spot abuses, launched a fresh crackdown on illegal land use this year, targeting golf courses, hotels and villas in particular, and has announced several high-profile cases in which officials have been punished. But the central government's attempts to curb such abuses, and to draft new legislation that would protect against land grabs and give farmers a market rate for their land, have met fierce resistance from local authorities who rely on land sales to maintain growth, service debt and top up their budgets.
In January 2010, the government said that it was considering making major changes regarding the way land is claimed by local governments in attempt to placate anger over the land seizure issue. According to a posting on the State Council's website the government is considering banning developers and demolition companies from using violence or shutting off water and electricity to get residents to move and calls for compensation of seized property to be above market prices.
Some help for farmers on the land seizure issue is coming from the top. In 2005, Prime Minister Wen Jiabao called on local officials to halt illegal land grabs and warned senior bureaucrats that failing to protect farmers is a "historical mistake." "This is a key issue that affects the stability of the countryside and society, and it must be clearly recognized by all levels of government and party committees."
In a January 2006 address to the Politburo Chinese President Hu Jintao called for a resolution of "major contradictions and problems we are faced with" in the countryside. "If we cannot succeed in developing agriculture and rural areas while helping farmers improve their lives markedly, we will fail to reach the goal of building a comparatively prosperous society."
In 2004, the government ordered a freeze on conversion of farmland to industrial use, a move taken more as a response to falling grain production than a desire to help farmers..
In June 2006, Beijing barred local officials from confiscating farmland without approval from national ministries and from using the proceeds from confiscated land to finance government institutions.
The government has shut down industrial projects, including a steel mill in Changzhou after determining that the local government had illegally forced farmers off their land. In 2004, eight of the plant's senior executive were arrested and a Communist Party official was demoted for their involvement in the case.
Other events—such as giving life in prison sentences to party official that condemned corruption and land seizures—seems to contradict these efforts.
Wen Urges Protection for Farmer Rights, Stop to Land Grabs
In December 2011 Bloomberg reported: Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao called on officials to better protect the rights of farmers and ensure they receive a bigger share of profits from the conversion of their land to industrial and residential use. "We can no longer sacrifice farmers' land ownership rights to reduce urbanization and industrialization costs," the official Xinhua News Agency reported Wen as saying at an annual national work conference on rural affairs yesterday. "It's both necessary and possible for us to significantly increase farmers' gains from the increase in land value." [Source: Bloomberg, December 28, 2011]
Wen's comments follow a victory by residents of the southern Chinese village of Wukan in December 2011 who staged a two-week protest that forced authorities to back down in a dispute over land. Strikes, demonstrations and other protests in China doubled to at least 180,000 in 2010 from four years earlier, according to Sun Liping, a sociology professor at Beijing's Tsinghua University.
Wen also said rural residents shouldn't be forced to give up their rights to land even if they move to cities. "No one is empowered to take away such rights," Wen was quoted as saying by the state-run news agency.
The unrest in Wukan first began in September, when disputes over land, local elections and village finances between residents and local officials led protesters to attack police and overturn cars, according to the Shanwei city government. Protests flared again this month after police detained five villagers on accusations that they had led demonstrations and one of the men, Xue Jinbo, died while in custody on December 11.
The decision to meet the villagers' demands is part of a wider government strategy aimed at containing such protests before they spread, according to Joseph Cheng, a politics professor at the City University of Hong Kong. The standoff and other protests have sparked concerns that unrest stemming from China's growth could undermine the Communist Party's rule.
Separately, a senior Party official in Guangdong province, where Wukan is located, also called officials to improve their skills in dealing with public's complaints and claims and take quick response, according to Xinhua. "It is imperative for us to improve our work in response to complaints and claims from the people as ideas of democracy, equality and rights are taking root among the public," said Zhu Mingguo, vice secretary of the Guangdong provincial committee of the Communist Party of China, at a recent stability maintenance workshop. "We need to resolve issues of people's immediate interests and concerns in a timely manner," said, Zhu, who was the key government official who initiated the negotiations to end the protests in Wukan.
New Rules on Forced Demolitions in China
In January 2011, China 's state council said it had approved a draft plan to curb forced demolitions. It stressed that developers should not be involved in land seizure projects and residents should receive fair compensation for their destroyed businesses and homes.
Under the rules, according to AFP and Xinhua, violence or coercion must not be used to force homeowners to leave. If government authorities cannot reach an agreement with residents over expropriations or compensation for their property, demolitions can only be carried out after the local court has reviewed and approved them. The previous rules had authorized local governments to enforce demolitions at their own will, the report said, quoting unnamed officials at the Ministry of Housing and Urban-Rural Development.
In September 2011, local governments in China were told by the Supreme People's Court—China's top court—they should be careful with demolition projects and stop them if the residents involved threaten suicide.The move follows a rash of suicides and incidents of social unrest in the last year over enforced demolitions, including several cases of people setting themselves on fire to protest the seizure of their homes for new development.
The Supreme People's Court said in a statement: "Force must be applied with caution and absolute certainty that there will not be unexpected outcome." It said that when people behave in "extreme ways" and injuries or death could be caused, then the demolition "should, in normal circumstances, be called off immediately." [Source: AP, September 10, 2011]
To claim that nothing is been done to stop illegal land seizures is a lie as big as claiming everything is fair and square.
When you grow up, maybe you will see the world not purely as good and evil.
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well, without the "fleece" from CCP, india has so urban-plan and infrastructure upgrade like China.....that is why India cities are decades behind CHina.
Beside,without urban plan and infrastructure, the land sold in India ultimately has much less appreciation potentinal than those land sold by CCP....
so,the land sold by CCP is worth 5 trillion USD while the same size land might be worth only 500 billion USD....
