China and India :The Contest of the century

[Daredevil]

although Indians and Chinese are studying english hard, there are great difference between both.

Chinese study english in order that China can replace west as global most powerful and advanced civilization and Chinese can take the place of english as the global dominant lingua franca..

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China or India or any other non-english native country learn English for only one reason - better opportunities at the international level. For good or bad, precedence of English language as the world's language to communicate has been set. No one, even Chinese can change that status, if they think so they are deluding themselves.

 

[badguy2000]

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China or India or any other non-english native country learn English for only one reason - better opportunities at the international level. For good or bad, precedence of English language as the world's language to communicate has been set. No one, even Chinese can change that status, if they think so they are deluding themselves.

the dominance of language is just the reflection of dominance of civiliazation.

For time being, Anglo-Saxon civilizaiton is still global leading civilization.

However, Once Chinese civilization takes the place of Anglo-Saxon civilizaiton as the global leading civilizaiton, the dominance of english will also be taken place by CHinese naturaly....

When Rome Empire was powerful, nobody though Latin would be taken place by english.

 

[p2prada]

It is a good thing that one has to learn English to keep up with the world than Mandarin.

Mandarin is a very difficult language to master.

That China is striving hard to make a mark in the world is commendable.

I have to agree it is difficult. I have just touched 1000 words and will reach 4000 to 5000 Hanzi in the next 6 months.

For a Chinese, learning English is much more difficult than we guys learning Mandarin.

Indians study english just because Indians feel it a hornor to study the language of global most advanced civilization....morever, Indians may never think the possiblity that hindus take the place of english as global dominant lingua franca.

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I am learning Mandarin only so I don't get cheated on your streets when I come to visit. (joke)

I don't know where you came up with that pal. China has what 4 or 5 different languages with some 15 dialects, out of which more than 800 million speak Hanyu(Mandarin-spoken form). Ha! We have over 200 languages and 2000 dialects. We learn English only to close that gap both nationally and internationally.

Mandarin can never take over the English language, for that matter, no language can replace English.
Mandarin is quite crude and a simple language. Only the written form is a headache. There is no science in it. The rules are very basic and grammar is not at all at par with what you could call scientific.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Time shall answer to everybody who underestimates INDIA's culture. SANSKRIT is the most powerful language. It dates back to millions of years. And SANSKRIT was used in CHINA too. When the forbidden palace in CHINA was renovated ancient SANSKRIT books were found. This shows the dominece of the SANSKRIT language in ASIA.:emot154:

 

[Daredevil]

the dominance of language is just the reflection of dominance of civiliazation.

For time being, Anglo-Saxon civilizaiton is still global leading civilization.

However, Once Chinese civilization takes the place of Anglo-Saxon civilizaiton as the global leading civilizaiton, the dominance of english will also be taken place by CHinese naturaly....

When Rome Empire was powerful, nobody though Latin would be taken place by english.

But the point is, in today's world there is no possibility of complete domination by any country or civilization be it US or China. So, status-quo will exist as for as domination is concerned and therefore English will be predominant world lingua franca for communication, education, transaction and trade for a very long time to come. So, forget about Chinese being prima lingua franca of world ever.

 

[Ray]

although Indians and Chinese are studying english hard, there are great difference between both.

Chinese study english in order that China can replace west as global most powerful and advanced civilization and Chinese can take the place of english as the global dominant lingua franca.

Indians study english just because Indians feel it a hornor to study the language of global most advanced civilization....morever, Indians may never think the possiblity that hindus take the place of english as global dominant lingua franca.

Indians don't study English because it is an honour. It is amongst the 14 languages that are recognised as Indian languages since there are communities like the Anglo Indians, whose mother tongue is English.

We learn three languages, just for your information.

Chinese learn English because otherwise they will perish in this Anglophile world!

I wonder if the Opium Wars are still on that you can be such an oddball as to believe that Mandarin can replace English.

For your information, French was the language for diplomatic interaction. It has given way to English.

How the Dic-kens can Mandarin replace English?

What has Hindus to do with English being replaced with 'Hindus'. Why should we care when we have a ready made language for international interaction and which is not difficult to master.


Chinese taking over as the global language because of civilisation superiority claims of yours?

The answer is:
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[Ray]

Chinese or the Sinitic language(s) (汉语／漢語 Hànyǔ; 华语／華語 Huáyǔ; 中文 Zhōngwén) is a language family consisting of languages which are mostly mutually unintelligible to varying degrees. Originally the indigenous languages spoken by the Han Chinese in China, it forms one of the two branches of Sino-Tibetan family of languages. About one-fifth of the world's population, or over one billion people, speak some form of Chinese as their native language. Internal divisions of Chinese are usually perceived by their native speakers as dialects of a single Chinese language, rather than separate languages, although this identification is considered inappropriate by some linguists and Sinologists.

Spoken Chinese is distinguished by its high level of internal diversity, although all spoken varieties of Chinese are tonal and analytic. There are between seven and thirteen main regional groups of Chinese (depending on classification scheme), of which the most spoken, by far, is Mandarin (about 850 million), followed by Wu (90 million), Cantonese (Yue) (70 million) and Min (50 million). Most of these groups are mutually unintelligible, although some, like Xiang and the Southwest Mandarin dialects, may share common terms and some degree of intelligibility. Chinese is classified as a macrolanguage with 13 sub-languages in ISO 639-3, though the identification of the varieties of Chinese as multiple "languages" or as "dialects" of a single language is a contentious issue.

Standard Mandarin (Putonghua / Guoyu / Huayu) is a standardized form of spoken Chinese, based on the Beijing dialect, which is part of a larger group of North-Eastern and South-Western dialects, often taken as a separate language. The Mandarin Chinese language is referred to as 官话／官話 Guānhuà or 北方话／北方話 BÄ›ifānghuà in Chinese. Standard Mandarin is the official language of the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the Republic of China (ROC, also known as Taiwan), as well as one of four official languages of Singapore. Chinese—de facto, Standard Mandarin—is one of the six official languages of the United Nations. Of the other varieties, Standard Cantonese is common and influential in Guangdong Province and Cantonese-speaking overseas communities, and remains one of the official languages of Hong Kong (together with English) and of Macau (together with Portuguese). Min Nan, part of the Min language group, is widely spoken in southern Fujian, in neighbouring Taiwan (where it is known as Taiwanese or Hoklo) and in Southeast Asia (where it dominates in Singapore and Malaysia and is also known as Hokkien).


Mandarin
Jin
Huizhou
Wu
Hunanese
Jiangxinese
Hakka
Yue (including Cantonese-Taishanese)
Ping
Shaojiang
Northern Min
Eastern Min (including Fuchow)
Central Min
Pu Xian
Southern Min (including Amoy, Taiwanese)
Teochew (including Swatow,Chaozhou,Jieyang,part of Shanwei/Meizhou)

So what is the Chinese language? The one imposed by the CCP?

 

[Ray]

It is quite silly to feel that the Chinese civilisation is the greatest.

Other civilisations did not emerge yesterday and they are great if not greater than the Chinese civilisation as many can claim!

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

our civilization is much older and richer than chinese. the chinese don't even have an indegeneous religion and have borrowed buddhism from india.

 

[badguy2000]

our civilization is much older and richer than chinese. the chinese don't even have an indegeneous religion and have borrowed buddhism from india.

1 religion not = civilizaiton
2 CHina has its native religions such as Taoism
3 Confucian is the core of CHinese civilizaiton.

 

[Ray]

China is a multi-religious country. Taoism, Buddhism, lslamism, Protestantism and Catholicism have all developed quite a following in this country. Freedom of belief is a government policy, and normal religious activities are protected by the constitution.

Religion China

I think that this is a CCP cleared site from which the above is quoted.

Note the words in bold. Normal = what is sanctioned and cleared by the Govt to ensure that there is no foreign influence or attempts to 'liberate' the adherents from what the CCP decrees.

Religion plays a role in shaping the mindset of the people and the mindset sets the structure of a civilisation.

 

[Vinod2070]

I think China has a great and rich civilization. While it was not perfect (no civilization in history was ever perfect), they had highly developed institutes even in ancient times.

Chinese civilization has given a lot to the world.

 

[Ray]

The Chinese as a people are historically attuned to obey the Govt/monarchy without question.

It is ingrained in their ethos of Legalism.

Legalism 法 家 basically postulates that humans are evil and need to be controlled using laws in order to prevent chaos.

 

[Ray]

I think China has a great and rich civilization. While it was not perfect (no civilization in history was ever perfect), they had highly developed institutes even in ancient times.

Chinese civilization has given a lot to the world.

There is no doubt that the Chinese civilisation is a great civilisation.

However, though I acknowledge that it is a great civilisation, I would like to state that so are:

Indus Civilization
Ancient Egypt
Ancient Greece
Ancient Near East
Aztec Civilization
Byzantine and Ottoman
Caral Supe Civilization
Etruscan
Hittites
Inca Empire
Islamic Civilization
Longshan
Maya Civilization
Mesopotamia
Mississippian and Hopewell
Moche Civilization
Olmec Civilization
Persian Empire
Roman Empire
Tiahuanaco
Vikings

Archaeologists recognize that in some cases, in some places, at some times, simple societies for one reason and another morph into more and more complex societies, and some become civilizations. The reasons for this are quite controversial, but the characteristics of complexity recognized in ancient civilizations are pretty much agreed upon:

* social stratification and ranking,
* increasing sedentism,

 

[p2prada]

I would like to add the Sumerians to the list too.

 

[Minghegy]

our civilization is much older and richer than chinese.

Mabye, migrating from India to China at least needs 1000 or 2000 years, man read this.
The Chinese evolved from Indians: Study - Sci/Tech - DNA

 

[p2prada]

Mabye, migrating from India to China at least needs 1000 or 2000 years, man read this.
The Chinese evolved from Indians: Study - Sci/Tech - DNA

Dunno what you are trying to prove, but the article means all east Asians are descendants of Indians.

Something like we are the Master race.

 

[Minghegy]

Dunno what you are trying to prove, but the article means all east Asians are descendants of Indians.

Something like we are the Master race.

When ancestors of Indian settled and started building their civilization, ancestors of Chinese were on the way to East Asia, maybe still in Southeast Asia and had not nowadays East Asian face. So if Indian civilization is older than Chinese, it's no strange. This map was produced by more than 12,000 East Asian genes analysis, the path of human arrived East Asia.

 

[p2prada]

There have been many paths of migration. Our starting point was Africa. Mankind first moved to Central Asia and then Europe, India and East Asia.

The 3 most oldest and sophisticated civilizations that existed first were Egypt, Mesopotamia and Indus Valley Civilizations. The many civilizations that came before these 3 were not as sophisticated. Then came Greece, Persia, Chinese and Aryan civilization (in India). Only Chinese exists today because they were untouched by powerful outside forces.

India is an amalgamation of pretty much everybody else in the world and that makes it one of the most diverse countries in the world.

 

[tony4562]

Dunno what you are trying to prove, but the article means all east Asians are descendants of Indians.

Something like we are the Master race.

Genome research has shown that human beings everywhere are descendants from a group of people in Africa about 100000 years. Out of africa upon arriving at the middle east, the human migration splitted into two routes, the southern route and the northern route. The southern route would take humans to India and then to south-eastern asia, and finally oceania. The norther route splitted once again upon reaching the Caucasus, one branch heading out to the west becoming the ancestors to todays's europeans, another branch heading east to occupy much of northern asia, and gradually evolving into mongoloids, and from there out to north america and heading south to china and japan. South-east asia then became a meeting point of this group and the early splitters who occupied south-east asia.