China again blocks UN ban against Masood Azhar

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India has already activated E22 or SFF. Which is known for cross border raids and intel gathering agross LAC. And china was seen objecting to it.
Establishment 22 does not conduct cross border raid. They made some unofficial cross border riad but without Government's approval. Government later moved them from border.
 

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Establishment 22 does not conduct cross border raid. They made some unofficial cross border riad but without Government's approval. Government later moved them from border.
A lot of things are not told in govt, specially the minister. How when why who. Otherwise purpose of putting them under RAW fails. free hand is given. Only told when done.
If it is known to the wing , it is known to the government.

I hope it gives them free hand this time.
 

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China’s former diplomat calls for change of stance on Masood Azhar

A blog by Mao Siwei, China’s former Consul General in Kolkata on his WeChat account, elaborately argued for a course correction by China on the Azhar issue.
Beijing Shortly before the Chinese government decided to block the India-backed listing of Masood Azhar, the head the Pakistan based Jaish-e-Mohammad group on a UN terror roll, a senior former Chinese diplomat had argued vigorously for a turnaround in Beijing’s position. A blog by Mao Siwei, China’s former Consul General in Kolkata on his WeChat account, elaborately argued for a course correction by China on the Azhar issue, signaling that on the question of terrorism, an internal debate maybe brewing within the establishment on China’s undiluted support to Pakistan. India has sought a UN ban on the head of the JeM chief following last year’s attack on the Pathankot air base.

The former diplomat highlighted that the problem of Masood Azhar has become “a major issue that impacts China-India relations, and also constitutes the major element of the decline in the China and India relations in 2016”. Mr. Mao, while backing special ties with Pakistan , does point to the necessity for establishing some markers that slamabad should recognise in its dealings with Beijing. “China cherishes the strategic partnership with our iron brother, but please do not stir up issues,” he says, while explaining the positive fallout on Islamabad, New Delhi and the rest of world, in case China did not stand in the way of Azhar’s inclusion in the UN 1276 committee list. In 1999, the Security Council passed resolution 1267, in a bid to impose sanctions on Al Qaeda and Taliban in Afghanistan

In his article, Mr. Mao has focused on the timing and implications of the Pathankot attack, in derailing the possible restart of an Indo-Pak rapprochement. He points out the attack took place after a week of Prime Minster Narendra Modi’s unexpected Christmas call in Lahore on his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif’s birthday and granddaughter’s wedding, which could have reignited a peace process between New Delhi and Islamabad. The incident successfully stalled a budding rapprochement between the two neighbours.

The former envoy adds citing reports that in the coalition of evidence on the attack presented on December 19 by India’s National Intelligence Agency (NIA), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of the United States had provided crucial support including the Facebook log of the Pakistani handlers of the attack. Besides, Indian intelligence agencies had intercepted phone calls between the gunmen and their relatives.

The writer then records the negative impact of China’ role in the UN 1267 committee, also called Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and Al Qaeda sanctions committee, on Sino-Indian ties. “On February 2016, India applied to the UN Security council that the ISIL and Al Qaeda sanctions committee that the JeM military chief Masood Azhar should be listed in this sanctions list. By the end of March, right before the motion by India came into effect, China stood in between and intervened. Half-a year later China once again stalled this motion due to technical reasons. India, is massively dissatisfied with China’s interventions.”

Mr. Mao points to Masood Azhar’s links to three major events: the circumstances of his arrest in Kashmir in 1994, the killing of five foreign hostages that followed a year later, and his release in 1999 following the hijacking of an Indian Airlines plane, to establish the JeM chief’s undisputable connection with terrorism. He highlights that after his release, India suffered major terror attacks, including the targeting of the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly building in October 2001, which was quickly followed by the infamous parliament attack, bringing India and Pakistan to the brink of war.

Elaborating on China’s role in the UN 1267 committee, Mr. Mao, cited media reports saying that, in the past, China was involved in at least three sanctions cases related to Pakistan.

Pointing to foreign media reports, the former diplomat observed that on two occasions — April 2006 and May 2008 — China stalled proposals by the United States, United Kingdom and France to put Hafez Saeed and Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) on the 1267 list, citing insufficient evidence.

However, China did not stop the listing of JuD and its leaders, Hafez Saeed and Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, on the 1267 roll, following the devastating 26/11 terror strikes in Mumbai.

Following the listing, Pakistan closed more than 100 JuD offices, arrested more than 50 senior functionaries and imposed travel bans on 11 individuals.

In Mr. Mao’s view, in case Beijing carefully studies and adjusts its position on logging the JeM chief in the 1267 list, it would send a message that “China’s wish for developing a friendly relationship with India is sincere and it attaches great importance to the sentiments of 1.3 billion people”.
 

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A lot of things are not told in govt, specially the minister. How when why who. Otherwise purpose of putting them under RAW fails. free hand is given. Only told when done.
If it is known to the wing , it is known to the government.

I hope it gives them free hand this time.
Because Establishment 22 is under RAW is not indicating that they conduct cross border riads. Chinese are more powerful any such cross border raid would be retaliated heavily. Which did not happen. Therefore Establishment 22 did not conduct cross border raids.
 

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Because Establishment 22 is under RAW is not indicating that they conduct cross border riads. Chinese are more powerful any such cross border raid would be retaliated heavily. Which did not happen. Therefore Establishment 22 did not conduct cross border raids.
May be my choice of word was incorrect but E22 does conduct cross border offensive intel gathering operations. And this is what i meant.
 

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May be my choice of word was incorrect but E22 does conduct cross border offensive intel gathering operations. And this is what i meant.
Do you mean Operations in 1960s to gather intelligence about China's Missile and nuclear program? I thought you meant Cross border raids that Para Commandos conducted.
 

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Do you mean Operations in 1960s to gather intelligence about China's Missile and nuclear program? I thought you meant Cross border raids that Para Commandos conducted.
Yes offensive intel gathering ops. Which have been most probably re activated.
E22 only conducted raids and assaults during Bangladesh liberation war inside east pakistan now Bdesh.
 

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France asks UN to declare JeM chief Masood Azhar as international terrorist
INDIAUpdated: Jan 15, 2017 21:52 IST

Days after China blocked India’s proposal, France has pitched in the UN for designating Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) chief Masood Azhar as an international terrorist, saying there are “very strong arguments in favour” of such a move.

On a four-day India visit, French foreign minister Jean-Marc Ayrault sent out a veiled message to China, saying “the international community’s determination to combat terrorism must be the same everywhere, regardless of the threat”.

Pointing out that Azhar’s outfit Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) “is already included in the (Sanctions) Committee’s list of terrorist organisations”, he told PTI in an interview, “therefore, there are very strong arguments in favour of listing its chief, as India has requested”.

That’s why, he said, France not only supported but also co-sponsored the Indian request at the UNSC.

India had submitted in February last year a proposal to the 15-member 1267 Sanctions Committee of the UN Security Council to list Azhar as an international terrorist for masterminding the attack on Pathankot Air base.

Since then, China had twice imposed “technical hold” on the Indian proposal and finally on December 30 last, it blocked it, becoming the only country to do so.

“We regret that, despite our joint efforts and wide support from the Committee, unanimity could not be reached,” said Ayrault, whose country is a permanent member of the UN security council.

He said France will now discuss with India what should be done. “India knows it can count on our support,” he added.

Azhar, a resident of Bahawalpur in Pakistan, was one of the three terrorists freed by India in exchange of 166 hostages of Indian Airlines plane IC-814 which was hijacked to Kandahar in December 1999.

Azhar, at that time, belonged to Harkat-ul Mujahideen, and soon after his release, he floated the new outfit JeM in Pakistan which carried out several attacks in India, including on Parliament on December 13, 2001 and Pathankot airbase.

The French foreign minister, whose country has faced a number of terror attacks over the last few years, pitched for a “decisive action” against Pakistan-based terror groups like LeT, JeM and Hizbul Mujahideen which are “targeting” India.

“France has very firmly condemned the terrorist attacks against India, including the recent one in Uri, and reiterated its full solidarity with India in its combat against terrorism,” he said.

Clearly referring to Pakistan without naming it, he emphasised that all countries should fight effectively against terrorism “originating from their territory or territories under their control”.

“We particularly want to see decisive action taken, in keeping with international law, against terrorist groups targeting India, particularly the Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Jaish-e-Mohammad and the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen,” he said.

The French Minister was asked about his views on the surgical strikes carried out by Indian Army in September last to target terror camps based across the LoC in Pakistan- occupied Kashmir.

“Nothing can justify terrorism, which must be fought everywhere with equal determination. When a country is faced with a terrorist threat of this nature, it has the right to defend itself,” he replied.

Ayrault also spoke about the scope of cooperation between India and his country in combating terror, the footprint of which is expanding and intensity increasing.

“France and India are both victims of terrorism, and they are in full solidarity vis-à-vis this scourge,” he said.

He said the fight against terrorism is one of the cornerstones of India-France strategic partnership.

In concrete terms, he said, France and India hold “constant and very operational exchanges” on the terrorist threat.

“We have a bilateral working group that brings together all the players concerned over counter-terrorism, and, among others, cooperation with regard to investigations and between our respective intervention units, the GIGN from the French side, and the National Security Guards from the Indian side. I welcome the development of all these cooperations,” he said.
 

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So China is going to go againist US UK France to protect Masood Azhar?This is a massive statement of support.
I think china will start to realise soon that their deal with pakis and azhar protecting chinese assets in pakistan will cost them more than they expected.
 

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China losing patience with Pak over Azhar?

Though Beijing once again blocked a proposal to declare the JeM chief a global terrorist, informed sources suggest Beijing is running out of patience

Even as China on Tuesday once again blocked a proposal by the United States to designate Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) Chief Masood Azhar a global terrorist, there is a visible discomfort now in Beijing on repeatedly bailing out Pakistan at the United Nations (UN) by using its veto power. This is especially so as it comes at a time when China itself is facing a terrorist and secessionist movement in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. In fact, an informed source in India said that Beijing has been conveying to Islamabad quietly for some time now to find answers to this issue.

Pakistani media too have been reporting on this. Quoting Chinese diplomatic sources, these media reports stated that Beijing has been expressing its displeasure with Pakistan for repeatedly asking for its veto on the Azhar issue.

"As a super power, China cannot relegate itself at the UN to focus on this single issue of blocking the proposal every time. Pakistan must find some answers to the problem to satisfy world community," reported Urdu daily Dunya on Monday, hours before the issue was again raked up at the United Nations.

In a blog post, China's former consul general in Kolkata Mao Siwei also called on his government to rethink its default policy of blocking India's attempts to include Azhar in the sanctioned list. Already, it is believed that Beijing is changing its stance towards its all-weather friend. Media reports from Pakistan say that Beijing's prodding played a role in Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's decision to launch the Zarb-i-Azb operation against terrorists and also the latest move to put restrictions on the LeT chief Hafiz Sayeed, wanted in the 2008 Mumbai attack.

The US on Tuesday had moved the UN for banning Pathankot terrorist attack mastermind Azhar, barely weeks after India's failed efforts to get him banned by the UN in December last year. In a statement to the media on Tuesday, the Ministry of External Affairs said, "Informed of this development and matter has been taken up with Chinese Government."

India has consistently pitched for the listing of Azhar as a global designated terrorist at the UN, where it has initiated discussions with several member countries of the Security Council on the issue. In the past, China has thrice thwarted the move, saying it had adopted a "just, objective and professional" attitude in deciding the issue. The last resolution moved by India lapsed in December. The fresh move initiated by the US is expected to bear fruit.

With the new US administration headed by President Donald Trump, India is once again pushing for completing reforms of the UN Security Council, to blunt the edge that China currently enjoys. At the last General Assembly session, member countries adopted an oral decision paving the way for them to continue discussions on reforming the Security Council.

Pakistan though is continuing to do its best to thwart New Delhi's efforts. On Tuesday, Pakistan's Ambassador to the UN Maleeha Lodhi rejected the attempts of states seeking permanent UN Security Council membership, saying it is "inconceivable" that any institution does not value "principles of representation and accountability" through periodic elections. She was referring to the Group of Four (G4)?India, Brazil, Germany and Japan?that has been demanding permanent membership of the 15-member body for the past 20 years.

Meanwhile, scholars and experts from Asian Studies Centre, The Heritage Foundation; Georgetown University; National Defence University, New America; Hudson Institute; Brookings Institution; Centre for Strategic and International Studies and the Middle East Institute jointly compiled this report that includes recommendations for the Trump administration, which took oath on January 20 and has not yet spelled out its Pakistan policy. The report argues that the US engagement with Pakistan must be based on a realistic appraisal of the country's policies, aspirations, and worldview.

"The US must stop chasing the mirage of securing change in Pakistan's strategic direction by giving it additional aid or military equipment. It must be acknowledged that Pakistan is unlikely to change its current policies through inducements alone," the report says. The working group which compiled the report wants the US to recognise that its efforts over several decades to strengthen Pakistan militarily have only "encouraged those elements in Pakistan that hope someday to wrest Kashmir from India through force."

The group acknowledges that there is no silver bullet that can change decades of Pakistani policy, but a tougher stance could persuade Pakistan to cooperate with the United States.

NIA court issues summons to JeM chief, 3 others
The NIA Special Court at Mohali in Punjab has issued Proclamation Orders under section 82 of the CrPC against JeM Chief Masood Azhar, his deputy and brother, Mufti Abdul Rauf Asgar, Deputy Chief of JeM, Shahid Lateef and Kashif Jan. The four are the main accused in the Pathankot Air force station attack that took place in January last year. The NIA Special Court has ordered the absconding accused to appear before the Court on March 9.
 

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NIA court issues summons to JeM chief, 3 others
The NIA Special Court at Mohali in Punjab has issued Proclamation Orders under section 82 of the CrPC against JeM Chief Masood Azhar, his deputy and brother, Mufti Abdul Rauf Asgar, Deputy Chief of JeM, Shahid Lateef and Kashif Jan. The four are the main accused in the Pathankot Air force station attack that took place in January last year. The NIA Special Court has ordered the absconding accused to appear before the Court on March 9.
:pound::facepalm: its a joke please tell me its a joke
 

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http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/veto-wont-prevent-us-from-acting-against-masood-azhar-says-us-1677097
Veto Won't Stop Us From Acting: US Amid Row Over China And Masood Azhar

UNITED NATIONS:
HIGHLIGHTS
  1. China has been blocking moves to ban terrorist Masood Azhar
  2. US wants "results", says veto won't stop them from taking action
  3. Masood Azhar has been responsible for terror attacks in India

The US said today that countries using veto to scuttle sanctioning of terrorists will not "preclude" it from taking actions, amid continued Chinese opposition to efforts to get Pakistan-based terror group Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar banned by the United Nations. "The administration very much is looking at all of these avenues and some of the things we have talked about is sanctions and who is on the list and how we have managed that," US' envoy to the United Nations Nikki Haley told reporters.

"What we are going to try and find our place with, is that we do want to make sure that we are calling out those that we need to call out," she said. Ms Haley made the remarks while addressing a press conference after assuming the role of President of the Security Council for the month of April.


She was asked about efforts to get terrorists, particularly those in the South Asian region, sanctioned under UN Security Council's sanctions list and how another permanent member scuttles these efforts by using its veto power, a veiled reference to China blocking moves to ban Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorist Masood Azhar.

"Are we going to have people that veto certain issues? Yes. But that doesn't preclude the US from acting and it certainly does not preclude us from trying to see if we can change that as well," Ms Haley said. "Our goal is to get more done together than we do separately. If we cannot get it done separately then we just move in another direction to still get the same things done," she said.


The US wants to make sure that it is leading towards a "result" and "not sitting back" and allowing things to happen.

"I think you are obviously seeing a very aggressive administration because we feel that in order to lead, we need to act, and in order to act, we need to make sure we have those conversations with the National Security Council; and we are having those conversations with the National Security Council," she said.

Ms Haley noted that a lot has happened in the last two months of her assuming the UN ambassador's role under the Trump administration and a lot will continue to happen "but it is all about how we can make sure we are moving the ball".


Ms Haley also brought up her Indian heritage when she asked about her qualities of being able to speak freely and openly and whether she was offered the role of Secretary of State by Donald Trump. "Every position that I have ever had, people have assumed that I'm looking towards something bigger when in reality I'm the daughter of Indian parents who said to me 'whatever you do, be great at it and make sure people remember you for it'. That is all I am trying to do," Ms Haley said. She went on to say, "That is all I have ever known; how to be is to try and just do my job to the best of my ability and if that comes out blunt and if that comes out strong -- I'm one of two brothers and a sister -- my parents raised us all to be strong," she said.

Ms Haley said the original call she received to go to Trump Tower following Donald Trump's election win last November was to discuss the position of Secretary of State, but she was not offered the post. "No he (Donald Trump) did not offer it (post of Secretary of State). It was the discussion that we were having at the time. So when we went in, that was the position that we were discussing," she said.

Ms Haley also described Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as a "war criminal", saying what he has done to the people of his country is disgusting. Asked about US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's remarks in Ankara where he said that Assad's status would be decided by the Syrian people, she said, "It's that we don't think the people want Assad anymore; we don't think that he is going to be someone that the people want to have."

"We have no love for Assad. We've made that very clear. We think that he has been a hindrance to peace for a long time. He's a war criminal. What he's done to his people is nothing more than disgusting," she said.

Ms Haley said that the goal of the Trump administration is to do what needs to be done to defeat ISIS. "I don't know that our goal is to talk to Assad in doing that...Now that could change and the administration could think otherwise, but right now Assad is not our No.1 person to talk to," Ms Haley said.
 

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Veto Won't Stop Us From Acting: US Amid Row Over China And Masood Azhar

UNITED NATIONS:
HIGHLIGHTS
  1. China has been blocking moves to ban terrorist Masood Azhar
  2. US wants "results", says veto won't stop them from taking action
  3. Masood Azhar has been responsible for terror attacks in India

The US said today that countries using veto to scuttle sanctioning of terrorists will not "preclude" it from taking actions, amid continued Chinese opposition to efforts to get Pakistan-based terror group Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar banned by the United Nations. "The administration very much is looking at all of these avenues and some of the things we have talked about is sanctions and who is on the list and how we have managed that," US' envoy to the United Nations Nikki Haley told reporters.

"What we are going to try and find our place with, is that we do want to make sure that we are calling out those that we need to call out," she said. Ms Haley made the remarks while addressing a press conference after assuming the role of President of the Security Council for the month of April.


She was asked about efforts to get terrorists, particularly those in the South Asian region, sanctioned under UN Security Council's sanctions list and how another permanent member scuttles these efforts by using its veto power, a veiled reference to China blocking moves to ban Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorist Masood Azhar.

"Are we going to have people that veto certain issues? Yes. But that doesn't preclude the US from acting and it certainly does not preclude us from trying to see if we can change that as well," Ms Haley said. "Our goal is to get more done together than we do separately. If we cannot get it done separately then we just move in another direction to still get the same things done," she said.


The US wants to make sure that it is leading towards a "result" and "not sitting back" and allowing things to happen.

"I think you are obviously seeing a very aggressive administration because we feel that in order to lead, we need to act, and in order to act, we need to make sure we have those conversations with the National Security Council; and we are having those conversations with the National Security Council," she said.

Ms Haley noted that a lot has happened in the last two months of her assuming the UN ambassador's role under the Trump administration and a lot will continue to happen "but it is all about how we can make sure we are moving the ball".


Ms Haley also brought up her Indian heritage when she asked about her qualities of being able to speak freely and openly and whether she was offered the role of Secretary of State by Donald Trump. "Every position that I have ever had, people have assumed that I'm looking towards something bigger when in reality I'm the daughter of Indian parents who said to me 'whatever you do, be great at it and make sure people remember you for it'. That is all I am trying to do," Ms Haley said. She went on to say, "That is all I have ever known; how to be is to try and just do my job to the best of my ability and if that comes out blunt and if that comes out strong -- I'm one of two brothers and a sister -- my parents raised us all to be strong," she said.

Ms Haley said the original call she received to go to Trump Tower following Donald Trump's election win last November was to discuss the position of Secretary of State, but she was not offered the post. "No he (Donald Trump) did not offer it (post of Secretary of State). It was the discussion that we were having at the time. So when we went in, that was the position that we were discussing," she said.

Ms Haley also described Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as a "war criminal", saying what he has done to the people of his country is disgusting. Asked about US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's remarks in Ankara where he said that Assad's status would be decided by the Syrian people, she said, "It's that we don't think the people want Assad anymore; we don't think that he is going to be someone that the people want to have."

"We have no love for Assad. We've made that very clear. We think that he has been a hindrance to peace for a long time. He's a war criminal. What he's done to his people is nothing more than disgusting," she said.

Ms Haley said that the goal of the Trump administration is to do what needs to be done to defeat ISIS. "I don't know that our goal is to talk to Assad in doing that...Now that could change and the administration could think otherwise, but right now Assad is not our No.1 person to talk to," Ms Haley said.
China ko apni hesiyat dikha di hai US ne. You have got some veto power but you are not boss. US will do whatever they want.
 

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