CCP downplaying India's progress for regime legitimacy

[rockdog]

As a Chinese from Mainland China, i dislike CCP at all, and most Chinese don't like government's voice on Internet and its way of management over cyber spaces; here let me give some personal views about this thread.

Conclusion first:
In fact, the negative images about India for recent years, mostly were not came from the authorities, but the common people who ever visited and worked in India.


For common people:
If you visit Chinese version of Quora, the "www.zhihu.com" and input 印度（India），most answers about India were shared experiences from tourists and Chinese employees working projects there. Majority of them complaint the chaos, low efficiency, working attitude and bad stomach there. But still people saying there are business opportunities and the potential market of 1.2 billion people.

There are certain stereotypes of stories about negative images about India already circulating in Chinese cyber over 10 yrs:
1. From Chinese tourist: good culture diversity, but dangerous food and chaotic traffic; especially the holly river but full of garbage and even corpses, i think you have read such thread about the Ganges River. I belived that's the most thread which hurt India's image very badly, but it's not created by CCP.

2. From Chinese military fans like me: the saga of LCA, Arjun, HAL, corruptions of GOI's foreign military purchases.

3. Businessman and engineers: experiences of Caste system, and corruption, there are lots of stories in Zhihu.com


For CCP or government:

1. We should understand that, people like to see ugly news about rivalry, competitor or even neighbor. In the era of Internet, the government's media keeping lost audience day by day. By gaining more attractiveness or even adv incomes, TV channels and news programs wiling to report bad side of other nations, so i think it's mostly by commercial purpose rather than political.

2. From my personal experience, the central government still give more positive image of India than common people. I am working in IT industry, for last 10 years the related department publish lots of papers for encouraging Chinese firms to study India's successful story in outsourcing and call center models;

But after 10 yrs, when Chinese IT industry become more product oriented and more successful on software and Hardware especially on Internet area, Chinese IT professionals think they are more advanced than India, not by government's propaganda, but by ground realities.

3. For the common logic, Chinese government still wants India to play positive roles in SCO, BRICK, AIIB even OROB; it's absurd one side to bashing India but on the other side telling its own people this nation is important to China.

Finally, let's get rid of those emotional and racial stuff in this thread, two nations need to understand each other, there is a website: http://www.santaihu.com about Indian's view on China, and Chinese view about India, quite positive and constructive and popular in Chinese cyber, and it's more or less bilingual.

 

[Screambowl]

Only fools expect well wishes from advisories
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[ezsasa]

One good thing about dealing with china, is that we don’t have to care about what Chinese public think about India. They have no say in what CCP does anyways.

As far as investment from China goes, the lesser the better. And does public sentiments don’t play much of a role in business decisions..

 

[ezsasa]

One good thing about dealing with china, is that we don’t have to care about what Chinese public think about India. They have no say in what CCP does anyways.

As far as investment from China goes, the lesser the better. And public sentiments don’t play much of a role in business decisions..

 

[jat]

1. From Chinese tourist: good culture diversity, but dangerous food and chaotic traffic; especially the holly river but full of garbage and even corpses, i think you have read such thread about the Ganges River. I belived that's the most thread which hurt India's image very badly, but it's not created by CCP.

Chaotic traffic, yea, even indians now this intimately but dangerous food? That coming from Chinese or American Chinese? Because the food in India, a lot safer than what China has to offer. Fake milk, rice medicine and fake meat. India's quality control or rather farm to table process seems to be cleaner. Maybe its the spicy food. lol
yea, Ganges is dirty, corpses are still cleaner than lead or industrial pollution, or 500 dead pigs. Even in America, lead piosioning is an issue from rivers. Are chinese not aware of China's river problems or is this purposely ignored by Chinese themselves?
India you have slums, shanty houses, lack of toilets. But holey crap, 60% of Indians are rural. Toilet has not been problem in urban areas. The kicker is, Chinese people are the ones with reputation of craping in public in Hongkong, Singapore, California. Yet, India is toilet less.

But after 10 yrs, when Chinese IT industry become more product oriented and more successful on software and Hardware especially on Internet area, Chinese IT professionals think they are more advanced than India, not by government's propaganda, but by ground realities.

that is also true. India doesn't make the hardware, so making software is limited. Hopefully India begins hardware production like China but keeping in mind environmental and labor laws.

2. From Chinese military fans like me: the saga of LCA, Arjun, HAL, corruptions of GOI's foreign military purchases.

Would you have a better opinion if CCP corruption highlighed for J-10, Type 99, Norinco and PLA?
If anything corroption in China's military ind. complex is far more severe than India's. For example, how many failed projects and ongiong projects of PLA are there? The problems plagued J-10 like engine, which reduces uptime, flighttimes, training etc...! These are more severe than lack of large scale production of Tejas? Type -97 rifle. A rifle that when first inducted, is not a left handed gun at all! a design issue, but INSAS is a failure. Common sense. The the-97 design is already being replaced with a completely new design while the INSAS is evolving. Problem with INSAS, Arjun, Tejas seems to be production or lack of funding Not poor designs as is the case of most PLA military projects. Case in point...KS-1 or HQ-12 missile. A buk like missile on par with Akash. Great missile, but failed to impress PLA. Not because the missile is bad, but the radar was, and at this time, PLAN also had those Aegis ships the Type 52 or so and fanboys flaunting how its SPY1/2. Comeon. Lack of transparency, means PLA fanboys are not told about the actual failures of RnD. Do you recall how many people thought J-11 was a copy of Su-27? really it was a licensed production after 200+ purchase of off the self Su-27s from Russia! Theres also the floating casino, now a training vessel costing billions.
Point is, theres a lot of problems here, but on India's side, they have to answer to lob sabha, the public, and CAG. Such things do not exist for PLA or atleast they do not have transparency on this. You also have the Chinese media downplaying India's success in this region and up playing China's. Where as Indian news channels are just crazy, either playing on fear or anything else that will sell.

3. For the common logic, Chinese government still wants India to play positive roles in SCO, BRICK, AIIB even OROB; it's absurd one side to bashing India but on the other side telling its own people this nation is important to China.

Yea, thats CCP. They don't want to tell Chinese people, how important India is or how successful it is relative to China. That would undermine CCP legitimacy. Just like being transparent. Remember Doklam. You really think, India was an aggressor? The PLA ran back to Chinese media, to cook tales of evil India. lol Then theres the CCP some how stuffing cotton into pollution measuring machines in Beijing so people won't be alarmed. Theres a lot of stupid crap in China, but thats not what Chinese people or Chinese media talk about, its the stupid BS in India that creates the fillers.
Prime example. Train accidents in China, being covered up, and Chinese media constantly reporting on road, train accidents in India. If you can't talk about China's BS of course your going to talk about India's.
So again, this is a purpose drivin agenda by CCP. Downplay India's success, for regime legitimacy.

 

[jat]

One good thing about dealing with china, is that we don’t have to care about what Chinese public think about India. They have no say in what CCP does anyways.

As far as investment from China goes, the lesser the better. And does public sentiments don’t play much of a role in business decisions..

Public opinon can always be changed a lot easier than policy. If people are killed in India, by Pak armed terrorists, the RAW and political elite, can cause a public uproar forcing India to re-act. If a muslim dies in mob vigilantism the media can choose to report or not to cause certain reactions before an important election. The media in India is also controlled, but by varying parties. Independent good journalism is dead...since WW2. So the Indian media is by no means free, its just a lot free'er than some of its global counter parts.
I'll also leave you with another question. What unites people more? Hate or love? The answer may surprise you.

 

[jat]

3. For the common logic, Chinese government still wants India to play positive roles in SCO, BRICK, AIIB even OROB; it's absurd one side to bashing India but on the other side telling its own people this nation is important to China.

I just wanted to speak on OBOR. Its mostly BS. For Chinese, Pakistanis, they believe this is a magic bullet. Reality is, its not. The OBOR reduces time of sending something to China, but does not effect the blue water economy. The cost of sending by rail is higher, and only smaller quantity can be shipped. The cost of sending something via cargo ships is a lot lower and tonnage is far greater. So why OBOR?
Well, if I had to assume, Xi Jinping, is involved in construction, and China has an overcapacity of construction equipment and laborers. The result is exportation of these to C-Asia. This also opens up smaller markets and reduced times. Which is why CPEC won't accomplish what Pakistanis believe it would.
In order for OBOR to work, better, India needs a role. You won't have that, unless Pakistan begins trade with India. The lack of over road, rail passages directly to China from India is concerning. Perhaps middle men, like Nepal, Burma are required.
In quick summary, its definitely something India can afford to ignore. But a passage from India-nepal-china and China-burma-india should be on the priority as trade grows. This means massive road, rail projects. I favor burma for this, since it will be easier to build such things through. Also for the benefit of Tibet, a growing trade relation would be needed. Are Indians allowed to trade Indian goods in Lhasa and tour lhasa from Sikkim?

 

[rockdog]

I just wanted to speak on OBOR. Its mostly BS. For Chinese, Pakistanis, they believe this is a magic bullet. Reality is, its not. The OBOR reduces time of sending something to China, but does not effect the blue water economy. The cost of sending by rail is higher, and only smaller quantity can be shipped. The cost of sending something via cargo ships is a lot lower and tonnage is far greater. So why OBOR?
Well, if I had to assume, Xi Jinping, is involved in construction, and China has an overcapacity of construction equipment and laborers. The result is exportation of these to C-Asia. This also opens up smaller markets and reduced times. Which is why CPEC won't accomplish what Pakistanis believe it would.
In order for OBOR to work, better, India needs a role. You won't have that, unless Pakistan begins trade with India. The lack of over road, rail passages directly to China from India is concerning. Perhaps middle men, like Nepal, Burma are required.
In quick summary, its definitely something India can afford to ignore. But a passage from India-nepal-china and China-burma-india should be on the priority as trade grows. This means massive road, rail projects. I favor burma for this, since it will be easier to build such things through. Also for the benefit of Tibet, a growing trade relation would be needed. Are Indians allowed to trade Indian goods in Lhasa and tour lhasa from Sikkim?

@jat, i appreciate you wrote so much, but you just off topic;
since the topic of this thread is: whether negative images of India created by CCP.

That's why i won't debate on each line as you did; my examples revealed that, those bad images captured by Chinese people first, and then circulated around cyber space; but not like CCP invented and spread as you decribed.

I repeat my view here: things i mentioned about India, already existed among common people especially via Internet, CCP did very little on this, just like your negative image toward China; we human beings are almost same.

For those "India bashing" videos you or other Indian buddy posted, i still think they just eyeball catching TV show. People like to see ugly things, like the movie "Slumdog Millionaire", the westerners have no interest watching some fancy Bollywood dancing with happy ending, they just want some "Dirty India" background with laughable story, same mindset applies on Chinese, Indian.

Even i don't like it CCP, i still think the Party doesn't need regime legitimacy for shitting India; Without CCP's propaganda, Chinese people have enough IQ to realize recent 30 years China's development is much better than India's.

I admit that India is doing really good among most developing nations, but people only remember who is the champion but not runner up. Your problem is, you are trying to ask people from "champion" to take too much care about someone who is not leading in the contest.

 

[Screambowl]

They have no say in what CCP does anyways

Well they do but to a level of very less value.

The representatives get elected by the people then these elected representatives further elect other representatives and the process continues till core body. The inter representative politics is full of corruption, luring and bribing the representatives in the favour of CCP.

 

[nimo_cn]

it's not that CCP downplayes India's progress, it's simply that China's progress dwarfs India's progress.

 

[jat]

i appreciate you wrote so much, but you just off topic;
since the topic of this thread is: whether negative images of India created by CCP.

That's why i won't debate on each line as you did; my examples revealed that, those bad images captured by Chinese people first, and then circulated around cyber space; but not like CCP invented and spread as you decribed.

I repeat my view here: things i mentioned about India, already existed among common people especially via Internet, CCP did very little on this, just like your negative image toward China; we human beings are almost same.

For those "India bashing" videos you or other Indian buddy posted, i still think they just eyeball catching TV show. People like to see ugly things, like the movie "Slumdog Millionaire", the westerners have no interest watching some fancy Bollywood dancing with happy ending, they just want some "Dirty India" background with laughable story, same mindset applies on Chinese, Indian.

Even i don't like it CCP, i still think the Party doesn't need regime legitimacy for shitting India; Without CCP's propaganda, Chinese people have enough IQ to realize recent 30 years China's development is much better than India's.

I admit that India is doing really good among most developing nations, but people only remember who is the champion but not runner up. Your problem is, you are trying to ask people from "champion" to take too much care about someone who is not leading in the contest.

Okay, I know about China's development. I was going to say the same thing you were. CCP doesn't need to downplay India's development. China is ahead. Thats a fact. Which doesn't mean their isn't a narrative being printing by state media or that China is not downplaying India's strengths or development. Right?
Lets start with a fact.
CCP controls the narrative of India, downplaying its developments and strengths.
Another fact China is clearly ahead of India, some Chinese and even Indians say 30 years. China is superpower compared to India right? Developed, stealth, klingon hyper sonic glide vehicles.
So why waste the effort to downplay India? Whats in it for CCP?

Question: why bother propagating India as the crap hole it is? Party legitimacy is one reason. But I suspect, their is something more to this. CCP does propaganda against Korea, Japan, Philippines etc, all the time. Even on Pakistan, Iron brother image is lifted to make Pakistan feel secure.
Its a different narrative when it comes to India.
When India is mentioned in China's state media, its mentioned in demeaning tone unlike the rehotric spewed at Korea, Japan and the others. The narritive is that India "was a great nation but its underdeveloped poor, lofty "dreams", toiletless, with evil intentions for China and Asia but they Indians are poor, corrupt lazy unlike Chinese that they will never achieve their goals unless they become more like China aka CCP" Thats usually the manner of these state articles.
Highlight bad intentions, puppet super power, corrupt, dirty, poor. Aka banana republic unlike Glorified middle kingdom.
Why go this far?
CCP may be insecure, corrupt, power hungry dictatorship, but not historically stupid.
Only one nation/civilization has had the greatest the dominance in Asia.
Its not China, which is relatively isolated to Korea, Japan China and recently Vietnam.
British Empire collapsed after 2 centuries with mired success and looting.
Mongolians had quick horse race.
Its definitively not Pakistan or Japan.
India has dominated Asia culturally and economically. Influence can be seen, felt in Indonesia, Japan, China, Vietnam and far off as Iran and Central Asia. It was not a 1 way street but largely favoring the Indian kingdoms. . Sanskrit words in Japan, even Sumarai's kept long hair and swords like Khystarias of India or Sikhs today. Hindu temples are scattered through out Asean region even though not in use. The architect similarities designs of ancient Hindu temples can be found in later Chinese temples. The sifus of China can trace their master student relationships to that of India and its gurus and temples with disciples. India had a profound impact on Asia, and dominating influence. All this, with out sending armies across to invade. Interesting no? Doubt it? Visit Asean regions most ancient monuments. Even the phillipines has an ancient Hindu temple unearthed with Sanskrit writing AFAIK.
So perhaps the CCP is afraid of India dominating Asia again? Perhaps. Perhaps they realize that India's greatest importance to Asia, is not its culture, people, mangos but rather its strategic location between EAST and West. Its location springing into the Indian ocean allowing it to become an economic trade house of the ancient world order. Trading with Africa, middle east and China from land and sea.
So can India do the same? I highly hope the GOI intends to do this.
If that is the case. China or CCP would not want its influence reduced in the region. Hence it goes out of its way to expand into IOR even though its own neighbors are hostile towards it.
So this would mean, India could be trule golden global power. Center of trade in Asia, through its maritime routes. It could be possibility, especially if one takes into account the Indian oceans status, as the busiest ocean in the world.

China or rather CCP must be grateful, that Pakistan undermines India's influence into central Asia.

 

[jat]

I admit that India is doing really good among most developing nations, but people only remember who is the champion but not runner up. Your problem is, you are trying to ask people from "champion" to take too much care about someone who is not leading in the contest.

Your right, I mean what your trying to say is China is the Champion but the records were set and broken by the west. So by your logic, theres not need to give China a gold medal. llol come on man. People can say what they want. India isn't ahead, but that doesn't mean their isn't state sponsored propaganda against India from CCP mouth pieces. Its blatant, and you know it too.
If you have the time to read my post above, you realize that what i'm claiming is more dangerous and interesting than anything else. Its a fight for dominance in Asia. With India being the underdog. Its a game we can watch for decades. So I hope you are in good health. My money is on location location location.

 

[jat]

it's not that CCP downplayes India's progress, it's simply that China's progress dwarfs India's progress.

Oh a onliner. Wow i'm so impressed. No need to downplay dirty poor India. China mighty dragon! Brigade of propaganda is myth! lol
your a poor clown if thats what your trying.

 

[nimo_cn]

Oh a onliner. Wow i'm so impressed. No need to downplay dirty poor India. China mighty dragon! Brigade of propaganda is myth! lol
your a poor clown if thats what your trying.

I understand your frustration, but still it makes laugh while reading your long post condemning that China does not give enough respect to Indian achievement.

It is simply true that CCP doesn't systematically downplay India as you are complaining, negative impression of India mainly comes from Chinese who have visited India for business or for touring, who share their experiences online. Whether you admit it or not, China is in a better condition than India, hence Chinese visitors along with the audiences of their experiences are not impressed by the good things that are happening in India. And of course, the rivalry between China and India facilitates that negative impression to some extent, for that you can blame CCP, but it's simply a fact that India is a Chinese rival.

PS, many Chinese who have visited Mumbai are annoyed by the question "Mumbai and Shanghai, which one is better", to Chinese, the answer is obvious and they are amazed by the arrogance of indians who asked that question.

 

[IndiaRising]

china is just like its products... a reverse engineered wannabe supapowa state. they can't even wrest dokhlam from bhutan, yet they have dreams about arunachal pradesh.

 

[jat]

I understand your frustration, but still it makes laugh while reading your long post condemning that China does not give enough respect to Indian achievement.

It is simply true that CCP doesn't systematically downplay India as you are complaining, negative impression of India mainly comes from Chinese who have visited India for business or for touring, who share their experiences online. Whether you admit it or not, China is in a better condition than India, hence Chinese visitors along with the audiences of their experiences are not impressed by the good things that are happening in India. And of course, the rivalry between China and India facilitates that negative impression to some extent, for that you can blame CCP, but it's simply a fact that India is a Chinese rival.

PS, many Chinese who have visited Mumbai are annoyed by the question "Mumbai and Shanghai, which one is better", to Chinese, the answer is obvious and they are amazed by the arrogance of indians who asked that question.

Yep, China is definitely and truly is largest democracy on this planet.
India such a loser, that China definitly won Doklam and liberated it with force while Indians cowered and ran.
Just look at this humble attitude of CCP anniversary.
Indian army definitely does not shake the PLA, PLA just shivers from the extreme cold in the Himalayas. lol
The clone army definitely not scared of the kindom of the gods.

 

[jat]

So in further news.
China downplays ASEAN leader’s attendance at Indian R-Day

“I want to say that on the Indian side, India media is not very confident and they do not trust us,” she said.

Thats an interesting statement.


CGTC snippets are just the best. Pure one-liner BS. But too far in the troll area. They never reported on ASEAN leaders on republic day but the BSF female bike stunt women. Thats interesting.

 

[rockdog]

Your right, I mean what your trying to say is China is the Champion but the records were set and broken by the west. So by your logic, theres not need to give China a gold medal. llol come on man. People can say what they want. India isn't ahead, but that doesn't mean their isn't state sponsored propaganda against India from CCP mouth pieces. Its blatant, and you know it too.
If you have the time to read my post above, you realize that what i'm claiming is more dangerous and interesting than anything else. Its a fight for dominance in Asia. With India being the underdog. Its a game we can watch for decades. So I hope you are in good health. My money is on location location location.

Let me give you a vivid example:

http://www.sohu.com/a/159670377_740115

The state news agency, Xinhua News Agency (of course controlled by CCP) at the end of 2017, published a guidance for suggesting hundreds of vocabularies shouldn't be used by official and serious news contents.

Most of those vocabularies are: dirty words, offensive words, cyber slang, sensitive racicial, political phrases.

The only forbidden words refer a country, is India!

The "浮尸国" in English means: the nation of floating corpses, which came from the famous thread showing the Ganges River was full of garbage, human wastes and human corpses.

Since the thread was too shocking and widely spreading on cyber, some netizen in China use "浮尸国" as slang of India.

I personally hate this kind of insulting words and never use it, it's truly showed that the CCP was not that radical about India as you imagined. And if you check out even in this forum and right this thread, how many Chink or Chincom been used toward Chinese posters...

Any comment? @jat

 

[aarav]

These ChinkCom Hans have sense of superiority in their propaganda emanating from Party sponsored sites as Global times and Xinhua even Modi's weibo account is filled with angry chinks asking why Modi went to Arunachal Pradesh on their New year's Day or spring festival ,like anybody cares ,but even weibo is highly regulated and criticism of party on weibo leads to arrest ,what we can make out of this is how criticism of communist party, Mao or its genocidial policies such as great leap forward can land you to detention for years but Anti India Propaganda Thrives in Communist Party regulated internet and Chink online community and it only tells you that demonizing India on basis of human rights does not happen only in West but Communist party and Hans are showing signs of insecurity because of Narendra Modi and his policies such as ACT east ,Quad and Even doklam

 

[nimo_cn]

Yep, China is definitely and truly is largest democracy on this planet.
India such a loser, that China definitly won Doklam and liberated it with force while Indians cowered and ran.
Just look at this humble attitude of CCP anniversary.
Indian army definitely does not shake the PLA, PLA just shivers from the extreme cold in the Himalayas. lol
The clone army definitely not scared of the kindom of the gods.

what a childish remark! how old are you, kid?

the videos you shared demonstrate your taste for news about China, I wouldn't wonder why you are having such a thing with China. After all, what kind of sane man would take "China Uncensored" seriously!

I truely don't care which one is the largest democracy, I, like many Chinese people, are pragmatic and don't judge other countries based on the political system they choose. What we care is to make the country better, make the life better. If indians believe that democracy is the ultimate goal and can only achieved through copying western ideology, I am fine with that, it's freedom of choice. You can keep the title of being the largest democracy.

But that doesn't change the fact that India is a loser compared to China, because China outperforms India in almost every aspect if we are talking about real developments, be it about economy, military, technology, education, medical care, etc.

China is humble compared to India, look at how India is behaving like a superpower now with that little accomplishment it has gotten, bragging about military intervention into tiny neighbor day in and day out. Just imagine how India is gonna behave if it ever reached the position of today's China, simply unimaginable!

there is nothing in Doklam for PLA to liberate, PLA halted the road construction and indian army retreated, but certainly it's not finished. PLA has taken the opportunity and built permanent base close to the stand off site, I am looking forward to PLA's further actions, I welcome you to comment on that when it happens.