Can you eat beef and still be a "Hindu?"

[t_co]

Risk is fine.

But it has to be a calculated risk!

Remember how many pigs were reported to be floating down a Chinese river?

Would one eat those pigs?

Be it well done, medium rare or rare?

Are you implying that beef in India is as unsafe as pigs floating down a Chinese river; so unsafe it should only be consumed well-done?

 

[Ray]

Are you implying that beef in India is as unsafe as pigs floating down a Chinese river; so unsafe it should only be consumed well-done?

Beef in India is safe, but if beef is not reared for the table, then it is not palatable.

Understand the difference!

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Well i had a lot of my hindu friends try sheekh kabab when we dine out but it depends?

You mean shish kebab?

Shashlik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shashlyk or Shashlik (Russian: шашлы́к, Persian: شیشلیک"Ž, Urdu: شیشلیک"Ž, Kurdish: BiraÅŸka şîşê[1][2] is a form of Shish kebab popular throughout the former Soviet Union, Central Europe, Eastern Europe, India, Iran, Mongolia, Morocco, Pakistan, Israel and other places. Shashlyk (meaning skewered meat) was originally made of lamb (in some extent pork or beef) depending on local preferences and religious observances. These skewers of meat are either all meat, all fat, or alternating pieces of meat, fat, and vegetables such as bell pepper, onion, mushroom and tomato.

Meat for shashlik (as opposed to other forms of shish kebab) is usually marinated overnight in a high-acidity marinade like vinegar, dry wine or sour fruit/vegetable juice with the addition of herbs and spices. While it is not unusual to see shashlik listed on the menu of restaurants, it is more commonly sold in Western Asia by street vendors who roast the skewers over wood, charcoal, or coal. Shashlyk is usually cooked on a grill called a mangal. In Poland szaszłyk is popular as a form of fast-food and often appears on bustling restaurant menus (pronounced shash-lyk).[3]

 

[t_co]

Beef in India is safe, but if beef is not reared for the table, then it is not palatable.

Understand the difference!

That makes no sense at all @ray. We're not talking about palatability here; you're talking about the necessity of cooking beef well-done in India and using Chinese pigs as a comparison...

 

[arnabmit]

Try a medium T-Bone swimming in Au Jus next time... with sides of butter mash and onion fried button mushrooms.

To each his own... I've eaten everything from well-done beef in onion sauce to steak tartare, and I've found nothing beats a 16 oz ribeye seared medium rare and swimming in peppercorn or madeira sauce...

 

[t_co]

Try a medium T-Bone swimming in Au Jus next time... with sides of butter mash and onion fried button mushrooms.

Mmmmmm.... that does sound good and I will try it

 

[arnabmit]

Sheekh means skewer.

This is Sheekh Kabab (marinated mince meat wrapped around a skewer and charbroiled):

Different from Shashlik (Alternating pieces of meat and veggies embedded in a skewer and charbroiled):

You mean shish kebab?

Shashlik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[t_co]

Damn this thread is making me hungry

 

[The Messiah]

Actually most vegetarians refuse meat out of belief a that animals are sentient being too .

P.S: The plant/animal cell argument if extended further would endorse cannibalism too.

would vegetarians be prepared to eat meat that is grown in a lab ? I bet my ass they wouldn't.

World's first lab-grown burger is eaten in London

The world's first lab-grown burger has been cooked and eaten at a news conference in London.

Scientists took cells from a cow and, at an institute in the Netherlands, turned them into strips of muscle that they combined to make a patty.

One food expert said it was "close to meat, but not that juicy" and another said it tasted like a real burger.

Researchers say the technology could be a sustainable way of meeting what they say is a growing demand for meat.

The burger was cooked by chef Richard McGeown, from Cornwall, and tasted by food critics Hanni Ruetzler and Josh Schonwald.

Upon tasting the burger, Austrian food researcher Ms Ruetzler said: "I was expecting the texture to be more soft... there is quite some intense taste; it's close to meat, but it's not that juicy. The consistency is perfect, but I miss salt and pepper.

"This is meat to me. It's not falling apart."

Food writer Mr Schonwald said: "The mouthfeel is like meat. I miss the fat, there's a leanness to it, but the general bite feels like a hamburger.

"What was consistently different was flavour."

Prof Mark Post, of Maastricht University, the scientist behind the burger, remarked: "It's a very good start."

The professor said the meat was made up of tens of billions of lab-grown cells. Asked when lab-grown burgers would reach the market, he said: "I think it will take a while. This is just to show we can do it."

Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, has been revealed as the project's mystery backer. He funded the £215,000 ($330,000) research.

Prof Tara Garnett, head of the Food Policy Research Network at Oxford University, said decision-makers needed to look beyond technological solutions.

"We have a situation where 1.4 billion people in the world are overweight and obese, and at the same time one billion people worldwide go to bed hungry," she said.

"That's just weird and unacceptable. The solutions don't just lie with producing more food but changing the systems of supply and access and affordability, so not just more food but better food gets to the people who need it."

Stem cells are the body's "master cells", the templates from which specialised tissue such as nerve or skin cells develop.

Most institutes working in this area are trying to grow human tissue for transplantation to replace worn-out or diseased muscle, nerve cells or cartilage.

BBC News - World's first lab-grown burger is eaten in London

 

[arnabmit]

The point is to reduce the energy foot-print as much as possible.

No Fooling: Cow Burps and Farts Contribute to Climate Change - Planet Change | Inspiring people to learn about climate change and take action

 

[arnabmit]

I can recommend a place in namma Bengaluru and can personally attest the quality, if you are ever there.

Millers Forty Six, Cunningham Road, Bangalore | Zomato

NO, I don't eat beef in India.

They are usually those who are laid to pasture.

They are not prepared for the table.

I have eaten beef abroad, since I have never found gram fed mutton to my taste as I am used to eating goats.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

No Fooling: Cow Burps and Farts Contribute to Climate Change - Planet Change | Inspiring people to learn about climate change and take action

Yes they are a big source of methane.

Time to harness some fart energy!!

 

[LurkerBaba]

It is a crime to eat animals!!

"About vegetarian diet I have to say this — first, my Master was a vegetarian; but if he was given meat offered to the Goddess, he used to hold it up to his head. The taking of life is undoubtedly sinful; but so long as vegetable food is not made suitable to the human system through progress in chemistry, there is no other alternative but meat-eating. So long as man shall have to live a Râjasika (active) life under circumstances like the present, there is no other way except through meat-eating. It is true that the Emperor Asoka saved the lives of millions of animals by the threat of the sword; but is not the slavery of a thousand years more dreadful than that? Taking the life of a few goats as against the inability to protect the honour of one's own wife and daughter, and to save the morsels for one's children from robbing hands — which of these is more sinful? Rather let those belonging to the upper ten, who do not earn their livelihood by manual labour, not take meat; but the forcing of vegetarianism upon those who have to earn their bread by labouring day and night is one of the causes of the loss of our national freedom."

- Swami Vivekananda

 

[The Messiah]

"About vegetarian diet I have to say this — first, my Master was a vegetarian; but if he was given meat offered to the Goddess, he used to hold it up to his head. The taking of life is undoubtedly sinful; but so long as vegetable food is not made suitable to the human system through progress in chemistry, there is no other alternative but meat-eating. So long as man shall have to live a Râjasika (active) life under circumstances like the present, there is no other way except through meat-eating. It is true that the Emperor Asoka saved the lives of millions of animals by the threat of the sword; but is not the slavery of a thousand years more dreadful than that? Taking the life of a few goats as against the inability to protect the honour of one's own wife and daughter, and to save the morsels for one's children from robbing hands — which of these is more sinful? Rather let those belonging to the upper ten, who do not earn their livelihood by manual labour, not take meat; but the forcing of vegetarianism upon those who have to earn their bread by labouring day and night is one of the causes of the loss of our national freedom."

- Swami Vivekananda

im not the biggest fan of vegetarians but the reasoning given by him is bollocks, strength is not judged by meat eating..one can get proteins through other means also.

Another quote "According to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef " - Swami Vivekananda

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

"About vegetarian diet I have to say this — first, my Master was a vegetarian; but if he was given meat offered to the Goddess, he used to hold it up to his head. The taking of life is undoubtedly sinful; but so long as vegetable food is not made suitable to the human system through progress in chemistry, there is no other alternative but meat-eating. So long as man shall have to live a Râjasika (active) life under circumstances like the present, there is no other way except through meat-eating. It is true that the Emperor Asoka saved the lives of millions of animals by the threat of the sword; but is not the slavery of a thousand years more dreadful than that? Taking the life of a few goats as against the inability to protect the honour of one's own wife and daughter, and to save the morsels for one's children from robbing hands — which of these is more sinful? Rather let those belonging to the upper ten, who do not earn their livelihood by manual labour, not take meat; but the forcing of vegetarianism upon those who have to earn their bread by labouring day and night is one of the causes of the loss of our national freedom."

- Swami Vivekananda

@The Messiah pointed it out well. One will give BS reasons to justify his/her actions. No doubt Swami floundered here because of his love for meat.

Similarly I find the stance of many Buddhists hypocritical as killing animals is sin for them but they can eat meat if killed by others.

 

[civfanatic]

Actually most vegetarians refuse meat out of belief a that animals are sentient being too .

P.S: The plant/animal cell argument if extended further would endorse cannibalism too.

Most animals are not what we can call "sentient". Very few animals actually possess the neurology to experience subjectivity and be aware of themselves, none of whom we normally eat. Such animals include dolphins, elephants, and of course our own primate cousins (chimpanzees, orangutans, gorillas, etc.).

Some animals, like insects, are hardly more sentient than plants. There are even species of carnivorous plants that feed on insects and other animals. When plants themselves can be carnivores and eat meat, I cannot understand the vegetarian logic of sparing animals and eating only plants (who are also alive).

P.S. I have no problem with cannibalism, as long as it is "consensual"

 

[Dovah]

Most animals are not what we can call "sentient". Very few animals actually possess the neurology to experience subjectivity and be aware of themselves, none of whom we normally eat. Such animals include dolphins, elephants, and of course our own primate cousins (chimpanzees, orangutans, gorillas, etc.).

Some animals, like insects, are hardly more sentient than plants. There are even species of carnivorous plants that feed on insects and other animals. When plants themselves can be carnivores and eat meat, I cannot understand the vegetarian logic of sparing animals and eating only plants (who are also alive).

I am not really qualified to discuss sentient in animals but this is the most common reason vegetarians give for being non meat eaters. However, the definition of sentience used in that context is an animal's ability to experience pain. The practice of inflicting pain being the moral roadblock in meat consumption.

The vegetarian community's reaction to laboratory meat would be interesting though as @Messiah pointed out.

P.S. I have no problem with cannibalism, as long as it is "consensual"

 

[civfanatic]

I am not really qualified to discuss sentient in animals but this is the most common reason vegetarians give for being non meat eaters. However, the definition of sentience used in that context is an animal's ability to experience pain. The practice of inflicting pain being the moral roadblock in meat consumption.

It is possible for animals to be killed quickly and humanely, without needless infliction of pain.

 

[Dovah]

It is possible for animals to be killed quickly and humanely, without needless infliction of pain.

But they are not. Meat processing industry is cruel as hell.

 

[civfanatic]

But they are not. Meat processing industry is cruel as hell.

So is the moral gripe of vegetarians with the meat processing industry, or with the consumption of meat itself? These are two different things.

What is one raised his own animals, and then killed them in a humane fashion for self-consumption? Is that halaal according to vegetarians?