Burdwan blasts part of RSS plan, NSA an RSS man: TMC

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  1. Voldemort

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    Burdwan blast part of BJP's 'devious gameplan approved by RSS', TMC says after Jaitley questions Mamata - The Times of India

    They are losing it.

    [MOD Edit: "an RSS" is correct, "a RSS" is wrong.]
     
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    I can see the WB situation devolving into a secessionist movement if it is not nipped in the bud. :(
     
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    Are you saying Bengalis are separatists ?
     
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    Not really. But the conditions are all there:

    1. Large influx of foreigners from across the border.
    2. Religious discontmentment.
    3. Sheltering terrorists.
    4. Politicians who are complicit.

    Almost like Kashmir. So yeah, maybe not WB as a whole but certain parts in WB and even Assam.
     
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    The recent revelations coming out of WB are shocking and personally horrifying to me as apart from the obvious national security concerns, I studied there for a couple of years. I wonder how those living there currently feel.

    I fear that this Bengal situation is going to get ugly and hope GoI has the stomach to handle it. TMC seems unhinged and I wonder how far they'll go.

    BJP is gaining in WB and i likely to do very well in the 2016 state elections, particularly if the this and the Shardha noose gets closer to the top leadership in TMC, I just fear events in the interim.
     
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    It is important to be objective and focussed on the problem. There are many problems in the border areas of Bengal which stem from a complex interplay of factors including political support to anti-social elements. The State government of TMC has been completely unable to tackle the problems.

    It is not about Bengalis in general.
     
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    For voting TMC could be yes they are partly responsible for that.

    Just like Biharis are responsible with Lallu and UP bhaiyas with Mulayam.
     
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    This is new low by Jihadi Didi( Mamta), she is playing a victim card & crying conspiracy. TMC is a major threat to national security & upholding sovereignty, secularism comes into play only when there is no foreign interference in the country, WB is full of foreigners( Bangladeshis & rohingya muslims) who are talking about secularism & freedom of religion.

    Shame on you Mamta & TMC for weakening India.
     
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    If the Burdwan bomb blast and the raids on the illegal Madarsa were stage-managed plots of the BJP and RSS, then Mamata,, Derek O'Brien and TMC with the IB (State Police) should give credible proof.

    One wonders why Bangladesh is assisting in the investigation and arresting their own nationals who are connected with the Blasts and its origins.

    Sadly, for Minnie Mouse Mamata and her animal farm characters, they are in a most horrendous bind and are making berserk claims.

    The Sharada Scam probe is also closing in fast and they are finding no place to hide.
     
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    Moot point is will people of West Bengal believe in the conspiracy theories floated by the TMC? Answer in my opinion is YES, many will. People of West Bengal are victims of their past (Congress -> Communist -> TMC), a kind of inertia, a kind of mental-block has set in.

    Middle, Working Class (not the intelligentsia) of West Bengal must do something about it.
     
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    I was talking to some of the poorer section of society over the Sharada scam and will it affect the TMC.

    It appears that those who have lost their saving are very angry and are not in favour of the TMC. Surprisingly, they are for BJP.

    Today, the TMC is holding a massive rally of 50,000 people in Kolkata to shore up their image and boosting their morale.

    The other day, Mamata Bannerjee while addressing her workers told that those who wanted to go to the BJP could go. It appears that many are ready to change boats midstream.

    This was not the case a few days ago when Mamata Bannerjee was the epitome of immense confidence.
     
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    @Ray what I understand from interacting with rural/suburban people is:

    1> There would not be any President's rule. Mamta and her Terrorists-Mullahs-Chitfund consortium would not be allowed to become martyrs and gain sympathy

    2> Majority of people of Bengal thinks what verbose Mamata thinks, all this Burdwan & Chitfund business is Left's 'Chokranto' (conspiracy)

    3> Hatred of Left+Terror regime of TMC in Bengal still has enough buoyancy to keep TMC afloat. People of Bengal think that 'in-house enemy' (TMC) is better than 'foreign friend' (BJP) to counter Left.

    4> In 2016, BJP would become principal opposition with 40-50 seats max, nothing more. TMC would still rule.
     
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    So in essence Bengalis are similar if not worse than North Indian (UP & BIharis).

    Its a clear cut case that DIDI is a failure. I agree minorities may not vote in bloc BJP for obvious reasons but what happens to the other.
     
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    Suburban/rural Bengal has severe allergy to "non-Bengali parties".

    In fact, it is the Bengali Muslim community, who are suffering at the hands Bihari & Bangladeshi Jamat Muslims, are supporting BJP en-block.
     
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    Mamata's rally yesterday did not evoke the response she normally can muster.
     
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    CM’s theory denounced in Dhaka
    People realise who’s aiding terror: Minister


    A Bangladesh minister today told The Telegraph that Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee’s claim linking the Burdwan blast with RAW had not cut much ice with his country.

    “Amader desh-er lok bujhe gechhe je Mamata Banerjee jangi-der sahajyo korchhe, (The people of our country have realised that Mamata Banerjee is helping terrorists),” Asaduzzaman Khan, junior home minister in the Sheikh Hasina government, said over the phone from Dhaka.

    He was responding to a question whether people in Bangladesh had found merit in Mamata’s statement on Saturday that “the Centre may have used the RAW to plant the bomb (in Burdwan)”.

    Yesterday, Trinamul had also pointed fingers at the Indian national security adviser and the RSS — an allegation with which few Bengal ministers wanted to associate themselves on record today.

    More than 10 people have been arrested from India and Bangladesh in connection with the blast. The chief minister’s response has spread concern that the accused might cite the well documented statements of Mamata and her party to claim with added vigour that they had been framed.

    Lawyers said such claims might not make much difference in the absence of evidence but some pointed out that an allegation of foul play, levelled by a chief minister, would send conflicting signals to security agencies tracking terror outfits.

    All those arrested have been charged with waging war against the nation and collecting weapons to wage war against the nation. “They have not got lawyers yet to plead their case…. When their case comes up, they may use the comment of the chief minister to their advantage,” a National Investigation Agency (NIA) investigator said.

    Bangladesh has particular interest in the case because the Burdwan module has been accused of plotting an assassination attempt on Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and former Premier Begum Khaleda Zia.

    The chief minister’s allegation has come in the middle of a Bangladesh visit by a team from the NIA, which has been asked to probe the Burdwan blast despite the Mamata government’s reservations.

    It is not clear how the NIA sleuths coped with the discovery that their own government was being accused of hatching a plot whose trail they had been chasing across the border.

    “An NIA team is here now and we have arrested some people based on information provided by them. Soon, intelligence teams from our country will visit India in connection with the investigation of the case,” Khan said. “Cooperation between the two countries is important to rid the subcontinent of terror outfits like the JMB (Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh, the prime suspect in the blast).”

    The JMB had been banned in Bangladesh after it detonated nearly 500 bombs almost simultaneously on a single day in 2005 across the country.

    After levelling the grave charge against central agencies, neither Mamata nor Derek O’Brien, Trinamul’s national spokesperson who had issued yesterday’s statement that listed three specific charges, has yet furnished proof to back up the allegations.

    “For this irresponsible statement, she should be prosecuted on the charge of waging war against the nation. If she had proof that RAW was behind the blast, why didn’t she lodge any complaint with the Centre?” asked lawyer Bikash Ranjan Bhattacharyya.

    Asked about proof, O’Brien said today: “I do not speak to The Telegraph.”

    When a senior Trinamul minister was asked the same question, the veteran replied: “I have not issued the statement. So you better ask for proof from the person who issued the statement. I won’t be responsible for someone else’s statement.”

    Some analysts in Bangladesh said they were worried about the politicisation of an issue that was of extreme importance to Bangladesh’s internal security.

    “The matter is serious for us. We don’t want an issue like this to become hostage to domestic politics in India, and us to become more vulnerable to terror outfits,” said Debapriya Bhattacharya, fellow of the Centre for Policy Dialogue, a Dhaka-based think tank.

    “Such a comment by the chief minister of an Indian state will strengthen the hard-line forces in our country and will compromise our national security,” said Maj. Gen. (retired) Abdul Rashid, who is attached to the Institute of Conflict, Law and Development Studies, another Dhaka-based think tank.

    The opinion was echoed in India, too.

    “Her statement should be condemned. Such irresponsible loose talk is going to have far-reaching consequences as it will contribute to deepen rage, prompting youths to join terror outfits…. At the same time, people can use her political statement to ignite communal tensions in West Bengal,” said Ved Marwah, onetime National Security Guard director-general.

    Marwah, a former Bengal-cadre IPS officer, said the central agencies were under immense pressure to tackle the terrorism threat as eastern India was fast emerging as a terror hub with links in Bangladesh, Pakistan and Myanmar.

    “But Mamata Banerjee is more interested in playing vote-bank politics to remain in power. It’s a strategy of political parties in our country to play politics over terrorism. The grave issue becomes a football between two political opponents and it happens only in India,” he said.

    “The statement of the chief minister is incorrect and it is a loose statement,” said Justice Ajit Kumar Sinha, a former Jharkhand High Court judge and now a senior lawyer in the Supreme Court.

    Sinha said that although defence lawyers could always try to turn such statements to their advantage, it would not have any legal sanctity unless it was corroborated by evidence.

    “The chief minister should not have made such a statement without producing any evidence,” Sinha added.

    Bishwajit Bhattacharya, a former additional-solicitor general, said: “The highest constitutional functionary should refrain from commenting upon matters concerning the security and the integrity of the country without being 100 per cent sure of the facts and consequences.”
    CM’s theory denounced in Dhaka
     
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    So, the impression of JihadiDidi Mamata banshee as a terrorist supporter has been cemented even in Bangladesh. Maybe banshee intends to have her name spoken of in the same vein as Musharraff, Hamid Gul, Mullah Omar, etc.
     
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    The political scene in Bengal is interesting.

    The Sharada scam has ruined many a family in urban and rural areas.

    The Modi 'magic' continues and if he campaigns extensively, then the scenario would become palpable.

    Amit Shah's organisational skill cannot be underestimated and that is why Mamata Bannerjee called him a s*la and is not giving permission to him to hold a rally. In short, these very aspects have got Mamata Bannerjee worried and scared. Mamata Bannerjee has her finger on the pulse of Bengal and if she is worried and running scared, then there is some black in the lentil.

    It is too early to predict the political fortunes in Bengal since it will be a scramble.

    TMC has been discredited to a great extent. None really was concerned with her sham piety of praying at mosques during Muslim religious days, but here giving stipends to Mullahs and not to others of other religions discomfited many since the others felt that they were not getting their share of the pie. However, Sharada has hit the poor men in both the rural and urban areas and there has been many suicides because of the same. Her bombast of development and jobs have no translated on the ground and in fact, has got worse. There was a protest over giving land to industry in Andal a few days back. The Singur land is still not been returned to the people as promised. Further, the Burwan bomb blast and the madarsa cannot be wished away, more so when even a Bangladesh Minister has criticised her over the same and indirectly suggested TMC complicity. The Muslim community is also angered that the case has not been handled correctly and it having stamped a slur on them.

    Further there is infighting i amongst the factions of TMC n the rural areas, especially in Burdwan, Midnapore, Malda and Siliguri. There is also a pall of gloom amongst the TMC rank and file. Her diatribe without evidence as is her claim that RAW is behind the Burdwan blast has caused embarrassment to many of the TMC leaders who cannot find themselves in a position to support such a ridiculous claim. An example is:

    In all this, the Congress and Left are gloating since this is a good chance to discredit the TMC and regain the political space. And BJP feels they are on the rise.

    All the misdeeds of TMC and -----s in the TMC armour will find a high decibel political campaign and it will all depend on who comes out most credible.
     
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    This will be a devastating arrow in the quivers of the BJP, Congress and the Left.
     

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