indias indecision has no bearing on the price as the Russians inked the price when the decision was firmed up in 2004. So it was the Russian mistake, not indias. Enough said on that already in other thread though.
isn't this an off topic post, i thought u didn't deal with those.India's indecision has bearing on the predicament they have gotten themselves into. Refitting the carrier would have been a quarter as expensive if they did it in the late ninties. She was fresh from refit and ready to sell with slight modification. India was the one who let it rust and deteriorate. The original quote price was for a ship that kept the same electronics and marine systems. Now India wants all the latest from Almaz If India didn't want Gorshkov, they had an opportunity to bail when they were misquoted a price. India didn't pay Sevmash for over a year and we are to blame for delays? Our dockyard workers don't work for free. India is directly responsible for their carrier shortage due to delays from indecision on several occasions. Sevmash is guilty of milking it.
So Russia had nothing to do with the bitter experience India is facing with Gorshkov. Is that what you are trying to prove?India's indecision has bearing on the predicament they have gotten themselves into. Refitting the carrier would have been a quarter as expensive if they did it in the late ninties. She was fresh from refit and ready to sell with slight modification. India was the one who let it rust and deteriorate. The original quote price was for a ship that kept the same electronics and marine systems. Now India wants all the latest from Almaz If India didn't want Gorshkov, they had an opportunity to bail when they were misquoted a price. India didn't pay Sevmash for over a year and we are to blame for delays? Our dockyard workers don't work for free. India is directly responsible for their carrier shortage due to delays from indecision on several occasions. Sevmash is guilty of milking it.
but, wouldn't selling the carrier to india reduce significantly uk's strike power and operational readiness.If india can get hold of a queen elizabeth type carrier it will be a real coup for the IN.One thing we must keep in mind is the desire by india to play a bigger role on the world stage.
For the IN that playground is the IOR,please remember the time frame in which these two carriers will enter service and also the substantial increase in budget for the IN.If india can pull this of ,not only will this carrier end up being the IN flagship but will give pakistan and china something to think about as well as raising the image of india abroad.
I can not think of a better ac the IN could go for,and if the armed forces of india go with quality over value in all the services,the future is very bright for india.
Its all about saving money at the moment in all government departments,that includes the mod.The navy also are trying to stop the axe falling on the trident submarine project,which is going to cost more then both queen elizabeth carriers put together.but, wouldn't selling the carrier to india reduce significantly uk's strike power and operational readiness.
God britain could be reduced to a sub standard nato ally against france, and germany.
No, I am trying to show you India's indecision is what got them into this mess. If they had acted earlier, they could have gotten a much fresher Gorshkov that required less refit, or if they didn't like it, would have had time to pick up the French ex-Foch carrier.So Russia had nothing to do with the bitter experience India is facing with Gorshkov. Is that what you are trying to prove?
If MoD had quit twiddling their thumbs and made a decision, the ex-Foch could have been an option. But then one has to look at the age of the Foch, laid down in 1955 makes it about as bad as Viraat. Gorshkov is going to be sea-worthy for thirty years. No used carrier is going to give you that kind of guarantee. It would have been ten times cheaper to refit her in the late ninties than to wait until 2007. Anyway, a 45,000 tonne carrier with 30 year servicability for $2 billion is an excellent bargain anyway you cut it. Buying a Queen E. for $6 billion is ludicrous.India could not bail out from the original deal after being mis-quoted because it had already invested too much time and money on it and had no other option to procure other A/C either. Had Indians had an option of opting for a British or a French used A/C when Gorshkov was mis-quoted, IN would not be in the current quagmire.
but there r so much difference between this 2 AC gorshkov is an old crap...but Queen E. is future generation AC.it has also double capacity in comparision to gorshkov and will be incorporated with sophisticated technology..so this is will be good if it comes to IN.No, I am trying to show you India's indecision is what got them into this mess. If they had acted earlier, they could have gotten a much fresher Gorshkov that required less refit, or if they didn't like it, would have had time to pick up the French ex-Foch carrier.
If MoD had quit twiddling their thumbs and made a decision, the ex-Foch could have been an option. But then one has to look at the age of the Foch, laid down in 1955 makes it about as bad as Viraat. Gorshkov is going to be sea-worthy for thirty years. No used carrier is going to give you that kind of guarantee. It would have been ten times cheaper to refit her in the late ninties than to wait until 2007. Anyway, a 45,000 tonne carrier with 30 year servicability for $2 billion is an excellent bargain anyway you cut it. Buying a Queen E. for $6 billion is ludicrous.
So the competing sale of foreign carriers doesn't have anything to do with Gorshkov? Get real ---isn't this an off topic post, i thought u didn't deal with those
What is the "v?" Too lazy to write "we" and with the "u?" Too lazy to write you? If you can't take the time to write proper sentences, don't write at all. It is clear your language skills are capable.Just because russia offered india needed to buy, had u offered it before v ordered virat at least on a lease, v would have brought them at the end of lease. Provided v didn't build the air defence ship due to the economic turmoil.
The onus is on India for increased costs. The longer you wait the more it costs to repair. They sat on their hands for ten years, then sat on them for over another year deciding whether or not to continue. Inflation, degredation, and higher wages are all penalties of time that increase cost, of which India could have avoided. It is no excuse for the misleading offer from Sevmash, but India waited far too long and should have known if a deal is too good to be true, it always is.The onus is solely on russia to have unilaterally increased costs and refer it to the media than keeping it confidential within government circles. Promising it by 2008, atleast by early 2007 they should have conducted a through review of the project. They hot themselves in the foot by objecting to indian presence in tajikistan and arm twisting india providing fodder for western media and lobbyists. Its a crisis of their own making.
Gorshkov is being rebuilt and modernised, it won't be old crap when you get it. A carrier wing of 30 aerocraft doubled would be 60. Prince Edward can only hold a max of 50 and won't be in service till around 2020. India can't wait that long and will already have a strong background in domestic carrier aviation construction. Buying it would be like saying India has failed yet again to domestically produce something which happens far too often. It is nearing time India stand on her own two feet in her endeavours.but there r so much difference between this 2 AC gorshkov is an old crap...but Queen E. is future generation AC.it has also double capacity in comparision to gorshkov and will be incorporated with sophisticated technology..so this is will be good if it comes to IN.
Gorshkov is not rebuilt it is presently being extensively refitted at Sevmash shipyard in Russia.it is already hit by delay and overcost and giving lots of headache.and in the paper it is saying that it can handle max 30 aircraft but it can handle max 16-20 aircraft according to specialist.u can google it abt it.i am not telling about scrap the IAC programme.in addition to that Queen E. AC will be beneficial for india which has very much capability for future and can also handle AWACs which will multiply Indian navy capability.Gorshkov is being rebuilt and modernised, it won't be old crap when you get it. A carrier wing of 30 aerocraft doubled would be 60. Prince Edward can only hold a max of 50 and won't be in service till around 2020. India can't wait that long and will already have a strong background in domestic carrier aviation construction. Buying it would be like saying India has failed yet again to domestically produce something which happens far too often. It is nearing time India stand on her own two feet in her endeavours.