Beijing rattled, says India's Chabahar hopes won't live up to 'high-sounding rhetoric'

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  1. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    NEW DELHI: Ten days after saying that China's multinationals will benefit from India developing the Chabahar port for Iran, Beijing-run media is now painting the deal as part of India's nefarious design for dominance in the Middle East, albeit one that will fail.

    "Although New Delhi ostensibly highlights economic considerations, such as facilitating trade along the International North-South Transport Corridor and extracting minerals, natural gas and oil from the region, its larger geo-strategic calculations and ambitions are obvious," said an article today in the state-run Global Times.

    Ten days after saying it isn't ''jealous'' that India beat China to score the $500 million Chabahar development deal, Beijing's painting India's deal as unworkable "high-sounding rhetoric".

    "Although India's expectations of Chabahar and the sea-land route are running high, especially following the lifting of international financial sanctions against Iran, major challenges remain. India may not be able to meet its generous offers and high-sounding rhetoric," it said.

    Even though China expects India to fail, it still seems rather perturbed about India's grandiose ambitions, which it says are meant to counter China and Pakistan.

    "Actually, Chabahar is just the tip of the iceberg of India's geostrategic ambitions. Besides building new berths and upgrades to Chabahar, what interests New Delhi more is a comprehensive scheme that can reshape India's geopolitics to the northwest and extend its influence further into the Middle East, Central Asia and the Trans-Caucasus," the article goes on to say.

    The fact is, the Chabahar port is easily accessed from India's western coast and bypasses Pakistan. It will also give India entry into Afghanistan.

    Iran said so as much. The Chabahar agreement, Iranian president Hassan Rouhani said, "is not only an economic document: It's also a political and a regional one." He added: "With our joint investments in Chabahar, we can connect India through a reliable route to Afghanistan and countries in Central Asia."

    Beijing, though, is having none of this talk. It refuses to believe it, saying that going through Pakistan remains the most economical route for India.

    "A direct gateway through Pakistan provides the shortest and the most economical access for India to enter Afghanistan and Central Asia. However, due to long-standing mistrust, Islamabad is reluctant to grant India access", the Global Times article said.

    Then there's the obligatory tom-tomming of its own much earlier deal with Pakistan - a 2012 agreement formalized in 2013 - to develop the Gwadar port. China and Pakistan are currently building a $46 billion economic corridor linking Gwadar port with Xinjiang.

    Besides bypassing the overland blockage, India also views its investment in Chabahar as a counterweight against Pakistan's Gwadar Port, a Chinese-funded deep sea port 72 kms east of Chabahar, the article said.




    Then, the piece de resistance China cautions India about Iran.

    "Iran may not always align itself with India's geostrategic goals. China is also crucial to Tehran's core interests. Iran never publicly articulated its opposition to the Sino-Pakistani project in Gwadar. Instead, it had aided the project by providing fresh water and fuel," it said.




    If India expected too much from Iran, it is "bound for disappointment", the article said.



    With inputs from PTI

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...gh-sounding-rhetoric/articleshow/52634499.cms
     
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  3. HariPrasad-1

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    Actually gwdar project is very ill conceived project and will have many fold cost to transport fuel to china via Gwadar by a factor 28 atleat. The really economically viable project is Chhabhar where we shall get a real connectivity to Afghanistan and middle east. It is economically viable as well. In Gwadar project, china is going to suck.
     
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    Its funny to read them chinese once they get rattled..So much for chinese deception. :D
    This itself proves that India is on the right track with Iran..
     
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    Few things i didnt get it, like for the whole CPEC China is going to finance it with 18% interest rate. Road etc will be build by mostly by chinese or PA. So if the Pakistanis need to earn more then what they have to pay by the interest rates or they will be Bankrupt and Chinese own them.

    Now the question is what Chinese is going to import and export using this port ?

    Another question is what Pakistan is going to gain from giving access to Chinese truck drivers to use 2,442 km of road? Transit fee, fuel and may be restaurants and washroom facilities, may be Pakistani girls for pleasure.

    China is making some power projects using gas or other fuel.

    Now if you look at similar example of panama or suez canal, they are not made economic power house despite the transit facility they provide.
     
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    Pakis are been given a new lollypop. After nuclear bomb this is their next big thing that will bring parity with dhindus for them.

    Nothing will come out of it for Pakis if they don't develop required infrastructure and industrial complexes around this project. We must make sure that does not happen by all means. I saw one video where there own analyst said that Chinese developed that port but it is still non-functional because Pakis never cared to develop required port infrastructure around it.



    We must keep Pakis engrossed in arms race and internal conflicts.

     
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    Where did you get that 18% interest rate? Can you provide source?
    The figure seems too high to be true. Last time I check, the interest for the other project in Pakistan is 3-4%. Generally, this kind of long term infrastructure loan couldn't be high.

    This port actually links 2 large markets: middle east (0.4B) and China (1.4b). We really don't need worry what Chinese is going to import and export.

    You really have no idea what a major trading route can bring: warehouse, transportation centre, maintenance factories, logistic centre, etc. If Pakistan can keep the route safe, this route can become their cash cow.

    Suez canal, in 2015, the toll revenue alone was $4m+, around $5b annually.
    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/aviation-and-transport/2015/10/13/Egypt-s-
    The toll of Panama canal in 2013 was $1.9b
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-panama-canal-idUSKCN0I301H20141014

    These can't make the countries economic power house, but their fiscal situation were improved significantly by the revenue.

    If Pakistan can learn something from Singapore, this project can at least lift her to the level of south eastern Asian countries.




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    Iran: Port Chabahar To Come On Stream In One Month
    By Mehdi Sepahvand

    Iran’s Chabahar Free Zone will start operation in one month when its first phase goes on stream, said Hassan Mohammadi Moein, Chabahar Free Zone’s deputy manager for transportation.

    The preparations are 95 percent through and as the phase is completed, the port’s transit capacity will increase from 2 to 8.5 million tons, he said, Tasnim news agency reported.

    The port currently berths Panamax and Neopanamax ships. It has a 100,000-ton pier. The last phase of the port is expected to be completed in 2020 with 22 piers and a capacity of 86 million tons.

    The Chabahar-Iranshahr railway will come on stream in two years, Moein said.

    The port’s development comes with a budget of 24 trillion rials ($754 million). Investors from India, Belgium, and Spain have expressed willingness to build a new airport inside the zone.

    Chabahar is headed to become a rival for Gwadar in nearby Pakistan. India is investing heavily in Chabahar.

    http://www.eurasiareview.com/051120...ign=Feed:+eurasiareview/VsnE+(Eurasia+Review)
     
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    Is there any viaual development. Do have pica of completed projects?

    Please share.
     
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    Chinese are rattled because Japan has shown interest in Chabahar and The SoKo are also said to be considering the same.
     
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    Thanks to your question, Now i realise the scale of project. No wonder it is taking so much time and money.

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    But Iran has also invited China (and Pakistan) for a partnership in the Chabbhar project as well. Even India has not objected to that. Anyway, we are sharing/co-operating in a port project in Chittagong and Sri Lanka too, I think. The real heat is actually directed towards the west, which sees regional co-operation and development as a challenge to its monopoly over all things 'first world'. They are the ones who keep coming out with headlines like 'India should feed their poor instead of building roads, rail, dams, bridges, flyovers, weapons', most of these op-eds are planted in Indian media by their lackeys in the west. China, although not the best of friends, never stoops so low. They have a vested interest in a stable (if not prosperous) India, because they get a chance to dump their products in the Indian market, as our middle class grows.

    Chabahar deal ‘not finished’; Pakistan, China welcome, says Iran

    RE : http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...-pakistan-china-trilateral-agreement-2822346/
     
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    I see this as the pressure tactic get favorable terms with India. That is why Iran mentioned Pakistan and china. Else the beggar porkis who can not fund their own project can how be a participant in Chhabhar?
     

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