Astra BVRAAM

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  1. Vijyes

    Vijyes Regular Member

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    Any idea about the hit probability or distance confirmed by these trials?

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    ASTRA :india::india::india:

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    Now IAF would be conducting user trails right?
     
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    India's ASTRA beyond visual range air-to-air missile completes development trials with 7 fresh tests from a Su-30 MKI FB_IMG_1505478879771.jpg
     
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    http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=170810

    Press Information Bureau
    Government of India
    Ministry of Defence
    15-September-2017 17:19 IST
    Successful Development Trials of Astra Missile
    The final Development Flight Trials of Astra - Beyond Visual Range Air to Air Missile (BVRAAM) were successfully conducted over the Bay of Bengal, Off the Coast of Chandipur, Odisha during 11-14 Sep 2017. A total of seven trials were conducted against Pilotless Target Aircrafts (PTA) successfully.

    The missions included engagement of target at very long range, engagement of high manoeuvring target at medium range and multiple launches of missiles in salvo to engage multiple targets. All the sub-systems including the indigenous RF Seeker performed accurately, meeting all the mission parameters and objectives. Two missiles were also launched in the combat configuration with warhead and the targets were neutralized.

    This effort for building a state-of-the-art BVRAAM by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), together with Indian Air Force (IAF) has completed the development phase of the weapon system successfully. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has played a role in modifying the aircraft for weapon integration. More than 50 public and private industries have contributed in building the Astra weapon system. Dr S. Venugopal, Programme Director led the launch operations and flight trials along with the teams from multiple organisations.

    The Defence Minister Smt Nirmala Sitharaman congratulated DRDO, IAF Air Force, Defence Public Sector Undertaking (DPSU) and industries for the successful trials of ASRTA Missile. Chairman DRDO and Secretary Department of Defence (R&D) Dr S. Christopher congratulated the ‘Team Astra” (DRDO, IAF, DPSU & Industries) for developing and flight testing such a formidable class of weapon system. Director General, Missiles and Strategic Systems Dr G. Satheesh Reddy, said the technologies developed under the programme will be the building blocks for development of more variants of Air-to-Air and Surface-to-Air Missiles.

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    This is excellent news the missile was having Indian seeker designed by RCI, so,
    We now have proven IIR,RF seekers on Nag, Astra, AAD, PDV, QRSAM.

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  9. Vijyes

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    I have read in the news that the success was determined based on the 'missed distance' calculation. If it missed the target, I wouldn't be too optimistic.
     
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    You do realise that some AAMs do not employ kinetic kill, they go close to target and warhead blast releases metal splinters taking out engine or cockpit.
     
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    But, isn't astra using the same tech as PDV or AKASH SAM? If so, it should be hit to kill. Else, you are right.
     
  12. Amrk

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    Only two missiles out of seven had live warheads, they destroyed their targets, as for " missed distance" question planes are more fragile targets compared to missiles. Continuous rod warheads that AAMs employ are actually more lethal in a proximity kill than in a direct kill.
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  13. S.Balaji

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    All AAM carry both proximity fuse and impact fuse for both types of kills. Astra carries Radar fuse n proximity fuse.In todays test successful missed distance indicates that when the pre fragmented war head was detonated the target vehicle was in the kill zone of the war head.
    Going forward Astra would-be equipped with more effective laser proximity fuse.
     
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    I don't think they overpay, normally companies take 35% of profit on the systems they sell, but labour cost is high in US, In US a junior tech makes more in 2 months then what a technician in India makes in a year.

    And the US defence industry is much more refined over the years, their industry is quite efficient compared to ours.

    For e.g. When I worked my every hour was tracked if I was doing something that makes money for the company or just a non productive time even when I am repairing something, and what time was invested in what project.

    They try to keep overhead as much less as possible but that does not mean there were any loop holes, we got our training on time that is required in defence industry and every quarter there is review on employee objectives on how to improve yourself and how to make things more efficient.
     
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    Astra missile a step closer to induction

    NEW DELHI: An indigenously developed Beyond Visual Range Air to Air Missile called Astra moved a step closer towards induction into the Indian Air Force after successfully completing development flight trials over the Bay of Bengal. The final development flight trials of the Astra were conducted off the Coast of Chandipur in Odisha from September 11to 14, according to a ministry of defence issued statement.

    “A total of seven trials were conducted against Pilotless Target Aircraft successfully,” reads the statement. The missions included engagement of a target at very long range, a high manoeuvring target at medium range and multiple launches of missiles to engage multiple targets. “All the subsystems including the indigenous RF Seeker performed accurately, meeting the mission parameters and objectives."

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    Homegrown missile 'Astra' propels India to 6th world power in defence


    BHUBANESWAR: India’s quest for a complex air-to-air missile system seems to be over as after 15 years in the making Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM), Astra has completed developmental trials.The homegrown missile capable of detecting and destroying highly manoeuvrable targets, moving at a supersonic speed, will soon be inducted in the armed forces making the country sixth nation in the world to have such capability.

    Final round flight trials were successfully conducted from Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft by Indian Air Force (IAF) over the Bay of Bengal off Odisha coast. Altogether seven missiles were fired against Pilotless Target Aircraft (PTA) during the last four days.Defence sources said, the missile was fired at very long range and different altitudes. It successfully engaged high manoeuvring targets at medium range while multiple launches of the missile were carried out in salvo mode to engage multiple targets.

    All the sub-systems, including the indigenous Radio Frequency (RF) seeker performed accurately, meeting all the mission parameters and objectives. Two missiles were also launched in the combat configuration with warhead and the targets were neutralised.Director General of Missiles and Strategic Systems Dr G Satheesh Reddy said, state-of-the-art technologies developed under the Astra programme will be the building blocks for development of more variants of air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles.

    Earlier, the IAF was mostly dependent on Russian and Israeli air-to-air systems to meet its battlefield requirements. Once inducted, the all weather and all terrain Astra missile could be the mainstay of the nation’s territorial air defence in its category.

    Developed by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), first ground test of the missile was conducted in May 2003. While it was test fired in the night and in inclement weather in June 2010, first trial from a fighter aircraft was carried out in May 2014. The missile was fired against an actual target in 2012 when it destroyed a drone.

    Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has played a role in modifying the aircraft for weapon integration. More than 50 public and private industries have contributed in building the Astra weapon system which has a strike range of 20 km to 100 km. Programme Director, Dr S Venugopal led the launch operations and flight trials along with the teams from multiple organisations.

    Meanwhile, Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman and DRDO Chairman and Secretary of Department of Defence (R&D) Dr S Christopher have congratulated DRDO, IAF, Defence Public Sector Undertaking (DPSU) and industries for the successful trials of Astra missile, a formidable class of weapon system.

    http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...ia-to-6th-world-power-in-defence-1658008.html
     
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    When inducted astra bvraam will be expected to equip all the iaf frontline combat ACs. While the meteor bvraam will be arrivimg to india along with rafale. Which one is better astra or meteor? Please illuminate.
     
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    Quoting from Quora...

    Astra is the very first Air-to-Air missile to be designed and developed in India. The seeker is not Indian, but pretty much most of all the other building blocks are Indian. The Indian engineers and scientists, as one can imagine, had to go through a very steep learning curve to bring the Astra missile to fruition. So the missile's capabilities might seem like a mirror of some of the existing missiles. A lot of critical technologies related to propulsion, guidance and control surface actuation were perfected. As a result, India will soon have a home-cooked BVR munition at a steep discount and custom made to the Air force's requirements, replacing for most part, the R-77 and the Matra Super-530D.

    The Meteor is in a completely different league. MBDA has built a worthy missile befitting its long and illustrious legacy of building precision guided munitions. The biggest showpiece technology on the Meteor is the miniature solid fueled ramjet engine. A ramjet propelled missile has sustained(And throttlable) thrust under its disposal longer than the standard solid rocket motor propelled missile.

    With a 'vanilla' BVR missile (every other missile in the market with a standard solid rocket motor), there is a 'burn time' (on avg abt 25 secs) which provides the missile all the thrust it would possibly need to reach its target. After this initial burn, the missile bleeds energy as it heads to the target. The missile bleeds energy more rapidly if it has to turn hard. If the target starts maneuvering hard, or turns tail and makes a run for it, there is a chance the missile will fall short of its target.

    With a throttlable ramjet, the missile can throttle down the thrust during the 'coasting' phase and preserve some 'juice' for the end game chase. Another option available for missile designers is to use a 'dual pulse' rocket motor (similar to the rocket motor on the Barak-8), which kicks starts a second rocket motor which provides thrust for the end game chase.

    India already has a working solid fueled ramjet engine in the Akash missile. Miniaturizing it to enough to fit on an Air to air missile is the challenge.
     
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    Quoting from Quora...

    Astra is the very first Air-to-Air missile to be designed and developed in India.The Indian engineers and scientists, as one can imagine, had to go through a very steep learning curve to bring the Astra missile to fruition. So the missile's capabilities might seem like a mirror of some of the existing missiles. A lot of critical technologies related to propulsion, guidance and control surface actuation were perfected. As a result, India will soon have a home-cooked BVR munition at a steep discount and custom made to the Air force's requirements, replacing for most part, the R-77 and the Matra Super-530D.

    The Meteor is in a completely different league. MBDA has built a worthy missile befitting its long and illustrious legacy of building precision guided munitions. The biggest showpiece technology on the Meteor is the miniature solid fueled ramjet engine. A ramjet propelled missile has sustained(And throttlable) thrust under its disposal longer than the standard solid rocket motor propelled missile.

    With a 'vanilla' BVR missile (every other missile in the market with a standard solid rocket motor), there is a 'burn time' (on avg abt 25 secs) which provides the missile all the thrust it would possibly need to reach its target. After this initial burn, the missile bleeds energy as it heads to the target. The missile bleeds energy more rapidly if it has to turn hard. If the target starts maneuvering hard, or turns tail and makes a run for it, there is a chance the missile will fall short of its target.

    With a throttlable ramjet, the missile can throttle down the thrust during the 'coasting' phase and preserve some 'juice' for the end game chase. Another option available for missile designers is to use a 'dual pulse' rocket motor (similar to the rocket motor on the Barak-8), which kicks starts a second rocket motor which provides thrust for the end game chase.

    India already has a working solid fueled ramjet engine in the Akash missile. Miniaturizing it to enough to fit on an Air to air missile is the challenge.
     
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