Army rushes more troops as Pakistan intensifies cross-border shelling

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I don't have enough source to believe your words about Mortars.

Because I never saw BSF soldiers using it or Firing with them.

Question is still Remain they have Operational Ready of those Mortars

we may ask it to @Kunal Biswas Sir
You don't have to take my word for it. Neither I am trying to convince you nor I am preaching.

If you want sources, you can always ask. But can't summarily satisfy you.

BSF to upgrade firing systems, seeks Rs 100 cr budget - News Oneindia

And the discussion on this very forum.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...bsf-border-security-force-have-artillery.html



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Re: Army rushes more troops as Pakistan intensifies cross-border shell

I don't have enough source to believe your words about Mortars.

Because I never saw BSF soldiers using it or Firing with them.

Question is still Remain they have Operational Ready of those Mortars

we may ask it to @Kunal Biswas Sir



BSF soldiers firing 120mm mortar.
 
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Why would Pakistan use a heavily militarised sector to provoke India? We don't want war, neither of us can afford to have one.
No one believes what you say specially when you kept telling lie about OBL.

Your pants were taken down by US in OBL case.

You got no credibility.


On topic...Indian Army should answer back just like last time by escalating the "war". These worn out and support-less Pakis would invite India for "Dialaaaag".
 

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Re: Army rushes more troops as Pakistan intensifies cross-border shell

@ladder Aww Thanks and @ghost thanks too


Got it
 
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This seems to be a ploy by nawaz to draw attention away from domestic mess.
 

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I read somewhere that there are some loss on Paki side as many bunkers destroyed and perhaps causalities.

Please confirm anyone.
 

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Further Provocation Will be Retaliated: India To Pak - The New Indian Express

NEW DELHI: India on Tuesday asked Pakistan to rein in its border security forces as the two sides sought to restore peace on the Line of Control and the International Border (IB) after weeks of relentless and unprovoked firing by the Pakistani side.

The Director-General of Military Operations (DGMO) talks were held on Tuesday to defuse the tense situation at the LoC and along the IB. Officials said all the issues related to increased cease-fire violations from across the border were raised with Pakistan and it was conveyed that any further provocation would be retaliated with force.

Indian Army's DGMO, Lieutenant General P R Kumar, spoke to his Pakistani counterpart Major General Amir Riaz over telephone and brought to discussion table the increasing incidents of violations by Pakistan. Officials said the conversation lasted about 10 minutes in which India lodged a strong protest. India had conveyed to Pakistan that 95 ceasefire violations on LoC and 25 on the IB are simply unacceptable.

The situation at the border is expected to improve after the two sides agreed to hold flag meetings at field levels. These meetings would be held at the brigade level in the coming days both between the two armies and the border forces to defuse the situation.

India has lost three soldiers and several civilians were injured in the recent days along the border which has seen unprecedented firing by Pakistani forces and suspected terrorists in a bid to facilitate the infiltration into Indian Territory.

Although India and Pakistan's DGMOs have a direct line of communication, the Tuesday talks were crucial to deal with continuous firing by Pak forces targeting civilian areas in Jammu and Samba region.

Pakistani troops had targeted at least 40 border outposts and 24 villages in Jammu and Samba region on Sunday night using heavy weaponry which left three civilians injured.

After the DGMO level talks, Defence Minister Arun Jaitley also held security review meeting with the three service chiefs to discuss continuous ceasefire violation. Army Chief General Dalbir Singh Suhag, Air Chief Arup Raha and Navy Chief Admiral R K Dhowan are learnt to have discussed the steps needed to be taken by the Indian forces to tackle the situation. The three service chiefs were told that the casualties on the border were unacceptable and adequate measures should be taken to ensure that the troops give a befitting reply to the unprovoked firing by Pakistan.
 

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Clarify this for me please.

Pakistan has violated the cease fire and is bombing us. We are "responding vigorously". We lose x lives and they lose y. Unfortunately the lives lost is not going to be a detterent for then to not try it again.
I think unless they lose some of their posts/roads to us will they realize the cost of their mistake.

Can some expert tell me how our response is classified as vigourous.
 

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Re: Army rushes more troops as Pakistan intensifies cross-border shell

Clarify this for me please.

Pakistan has violated the cease fire and is bombing us. We are "responding vigorously". We lose x lives and they lose y. Unfortunately the lives lost is not going to be a detterent for then to not try it again.
I think unless they lose some of their posts/roads to us will they realize the cost of their mistake.

Can some expert tell me how our response is classified as vigourous.
Yes it has been vigorous. From Pak newspapers it is reported that 60-65 homes in villages have been damaged in POK and around 4000 mortars fell there. And that doesn't include the fire on their posts.

So, I would say yeah, BSF has responded vigorously. The statement " responded with 'equal measure'" was shed this time.
 

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India-Pak border meeting raises hope of peace at LoC - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: With two days of silence at the border and a "successful" flag meeting with Pakistan Rangers on Wednesday, BSF is now hopeful that ceasefire violations at the India-Pak border will ebb away, for some time at least.

Home minister Rajnath Singh was on Wednesday briefed by the BSF on the ground situation along the border in Jammu & Kashmir, where Pakistan has been continuously firing on frontier posts and civilian areas.

According to sources, Pakistan Rangers finally responded to BSF's repeated calls for flag meeting and a meeting was held in Akhnoor sector in Jammu on Wednesday afternoon.

Sources said, the meeting was largely an "icebreaking exercise" where it was decided that further discussions on stopping ceasefire violations would be taken in a sector-level meeting to be held in the next couple of days.

"The meeting was positive and we hope things will improve from here on the border. But we will wait and watch their response. In these past few days, we have inflicted heavy casualties on Pakistan side. This may have pushed them to come on the negotiating table. Had they done this earlier, force and civilian lives on both sides could have been saved," said a BSF officer.

A total of eight casualties on Pakistan side have taken place in the recent firings while two civilians have died on the Indian side apart from scores of injuries on both sides. Firing and shelling from across the border have taken place in civilian areas in Arnia, R S Pura, Ramgarh, Akhnoor and Kanachak forward areas along IB in Jammu and Samba districts.

During the hour-long briefing to Rajnath Singh, BSF DG DK Pathak informed the home minister about the damage caused to the assets of BSF as well as some damage caused to the civilians living close to the International Border following firing and shelling by soldiers of Pakistan Rangers.

The home minister enquired about the morale of the forces deployed in the areas affected by Pak shelling.

He was told that the morale of the forces was very high, a home ministry statement said.

The home minister appreciated the efforts of the BSF in tackling the situation and assured full assistance of resources to the DG, BSF for taking appropriate action on the border, the statement said.

The BSF chief had visited the forward areas on Tuesday following a directive of the home minister.

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peace with pakistan? Never going to happen until and unless, pakistan is completely obliterated.
 

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Feeling of wartime on India-Pakistan border due to recent skirmishes - The Times of India

JORA FARM: The habits of wartime have crept back into life here along the border between India and Pakistan.

In the mornings, villagers stitch up shrapnel wounds on the hides of their water buffalo and climb to the rooftops to examine gouges left by exploding shells. Desperate for a night's sleep, some have descended into concrete-reinforced bunkers that were nearly forgotten after 2003, when the two countries agreed to a ceasefire.

It is not clear what has caused the rise in nightly artillery firing across the border, which intensified in mid-August and, according to officials, has killed two Indian civilians and four Pakistani civilians, and injured dozens more. On Wednesday, there was hope that a de-escalation had begun. Two rare nights had passed without gunfire, and junior commanders from both countries met in a first step toward bringing down tensions.

Each side blames the other for shooting first: Indian officials say Pakistani rangers are launching the attacks to provide cover for militants hoping to cross into India. Pakistani officials say the Indians are firing without provocation, perhaps to retaliate for Pakistani successes against Afghan-based militants who, they claim, are supported by India.

The crisis comes at a moment of shifting policy in each of the nuclear-armed neighbors. India's new prime minister, Narendra Modi, this month abruptly canceled talks with Pakistan to protest its contact with separatists in Jammu & Kashmir, and his national security adviser is a counter-terrorism specialist well known for his hawkish stance. The United States' pullout from Afghanistan looms in the months ahead, a shift that some Indian analysts fear will swing militants' focus toward India.

Meanwhile, Pakistan's prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, has squabbled with Pakistani military leaders over policy toward India. Sharif wants to build business ties between the two countries to stimulate Pakistan's ailing economy. But the generals, who have a long history of wrecking civilian-led peace initiatives, have resisted - a possible factor, analysts say, in the increased shelling.

Stephen P Cohen, who last year published a book on the India-Pakistan conflict, said that border exchanges like this one have repeatedly led the two countries to the brink of conflict and that it is all but impossible to trace their origins.

"On one or the other side, a local commander gets a little nervous and starts firing at what he thinks is someone crossing over," he said. "Or, secondly, a local commander could be ambitious. Or, thirdly, you could have a deliberate policy choice by the government on either side."

This section of the 1,800-mile border between India and Pakistan runs through rich farmland, close enough for workers to look up at the enemy watchtowers from their rice paddies. Civilians here are becoming accustomed to small-arms fire, but in recent weeks villages have seen nighttime attacks with long-range 81 mm mortars, some of them striking in the heart of residential areas.

The chief of India's Border Security Force, D K Pathak, who made an impromptu visit to the Jammu region on Tuesday, said the exchanges began with Pakistani sniper fire in mid-July, making it the most intense and prolonged stretch since two countries went to war in 1971. This year, he said, "we have been told very clearly to respond appropriately."

"Our response," he said, "will not be less, it will be equal or more. But not less."

Asked what had set off the crisis, he said that he believed militants were gathering on the Pakistani side, waiting for the chance to cross into India.

In Pakistan, Brig Mateen Ahmad Khan, the commander of Chenab Rangers, dismissed that claim, saying the flat, bare terrain in the area made it an unfavorable crossing-point for guerrilla fighters and noting that India has erected a double fence equipped with sound detectors and illuminated after dark.

"There is no jungle, no forest," he said. "Everyone is looking at everyone. Why haven't the Indians killed or captured anyone who is trying to infiltrate? No crosser has been killed. It is simply because there is nothing like that." He also disputed Pathak's claim that the episode began with Pakistani sniper fire.

"These are lame excuses," he said. "They lie with flat faces."

On Wednesday, two nights without firing had allowed some people to relax a little. At a border post on the Pakistani side, an officer of the Chenab Rangers peered through binoculars toward the Indian position half a mile away and spotted a shadow near the pinkish post. He sent out a subordinate to tell a Pakistani farmer to come in from his rice fields.

"He could come under fire," he said. "Tell him to have patience for a few days, until things normalize."

Settlements on both sides remained largely deserted, and those who remained behind were eager to show visitors the punctured ceilings and deeply gouged walls. In Jora Farm, a cattle-herding village about 20 miles south of the city of Jammu, a patch of soft mud covers the spot where Mohammad Akram Hussain and his son, Aslam, who was said to be 6, were killed by a mortar.

Before dawn on Saturday, firing on the village had become so heavy that Hussain, 30, and his family worried that their thatched roof would catch fire, so they crept outside and sat against a wall, thinking it was safer there. The children climbed into the adults' laps.

That is how Hussain and his son were sitting when a mortar round fell about 5 feet away, shearing off part of Hussain's face and slicing through his son's leg and arm, relatives said.

At a funeral gathering this week, elders discussed how to evacuate the whole settlement, 800 people and 5,000 heads of cattle, a measure they have not taken since 1999, when the two armies faced off in a month-long conflict. Salamuddin, an elder who uses one name, said the attacks this month were of the same scale.

"For us, it is a war," he said. "What else worse will we see in a war? Two members of our family have been killed."
 

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Pakistan violates ceasefire again despite assurance in flag meet, targets BSF posts in Akhnoor sector - The Times of India

JAMMU: Pakistan Rangers again on Thursday resorted to unprovoked firing at Indian positions on the international border in Jammu and Kashmir, an official said.

"Pakistan Rangers resorted to unprovoked firing using small arms in the Pargwal area of the Jammu district," a police officer said.

The officer said three BSF outposts were affected due to the firing.

"Pakistan firing started at 11.50pm yesterday (Wednesday) night for a brief period, but today (Thursday) morning at 4am, Pakistan Rangers started firing again which continued till 5.55am," the officer said.

The Border Security Force (BSF) troopers gave befitting reply, he added.

These two ceasefire violations occurred hours after the BSF and Pakistan Rangers held a battalion commander level flag meeting in the same border area to defuse tensions between the two sides.

Looks like these idiots want more.
 

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BSF is equipped with 105mm guns. They should be provided the 105 mm mounted guns, AMR and sniper rifles along with 120 mm mortars.
 

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just use the MLRS its more fun to use PINAKA from safer distances and at the same time we can collect lot of real time data form it for further improvements
 

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India should revoke the LOC agreement if there is one.
 

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