Army officers, jawans face off again in J&K

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  1. amitkriit

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    Army officers, jawans face off again in J&K

     
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  3. Daredevil

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    Is this because of increased compartmentalisation of officers and jawans or is it due officer excesses or due to falling standards of jawans. Whatever it may be, these holes need to be plugged asap if Army has to fight as a one unit.
     
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    Too much of politics have crept into the army of late thanks to the closeness that is there at all levels with the politicians who break rules to get things done.

    Too much of weak leadership has crept in where politicians decide the promotions and posting and who is to be placed where.

    To imagine this incident and many before that has happened.

    To believe that the Silver medalist in the Olympics can blackmail the army for promotion and the Minister demanding rules be broken for him. Utter cock! But this army will agree - Governorship like JJ got!

    The Army is a political circus and all thanks to JJ Singh and his political mentor!

    Nothing surprising what has happened!

    16 CAV was under our comd in J&K and that too in tougher CI area and it was a fine unit with no problems even though it was one of the first armoured corps units in the CI grid.

    I just cannot believe it!

    The whole problems is Defence Institute of Psychological Research,.

    Paper Tigers with no real experience in combat stress or combat and giving theoretical claptrap to confuse honest man to man command.

    It is time that the Army goes back to the much hated by 'nationalists' colonial ways of Mai Baap culture.

    Unless the officer looks into all aspects of the men and become the Father Figure and not a damned Manager with theoretical models of leadership, it will become worse!
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    Our Top brass has become Bubuized - to please their political masters....Professionalism has gone down the drain......political interference in appointments and procurement has resulted in Armed Forces being another wing of Babudom! Yes compartmentalization of officers has resulted in them being insensitive towards jawans!

    I have seen these days the quality of officers have gone down to the such a level that when an individual is unable to get a job anywhere they go into armed forces!
     
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    The soldier who had committed suicide has been identified as V Arun who is hailing from kerala.
    From local dailies its heard that there was one purticular officer who was very harsh in his attitude
    towards this jawan and the other jawans accuse the mental torture of this purticular one for the suicide.
    To contain the situation 2 battalions from 16 corps stationed at Jammu had been called and the officers are now kept at different military stations adjoining the area.
     
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    That means situation is bad. Such units need to be disbanded. Putting someone on guard duty is harsh !! They must be kidding!
     
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    'Jawans lock up officers in a mess after soldier commits suicide'

    J&K: 'Jawans lock up officers in a mess after soldier commits suicide' - India - Jammu and Kashmir - ibnlive

    Srinagar: There seems to be tension in the Army's Samba unit in Jammu and Kashmir. Sources say a group of jawans locked up officers in a mess after a soldier committed suicide.

    The Army has denied the incident, but has ordered a court of inquiry to ascertain the reason behind the suicide. Sources say that the officers of the unit have been segregated from the jawans to conduct an objective inquiry.

    The stand-off happened in 16 Light Cavalry, the oldest armoured regiment
     
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    Dignity and Honor Only in The Academy ??????????
     
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    I am saying wait for many like this under this leadership....
     
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    Bhadra don't place yourself with the officers unless the facts come out. Plus no soldier would suicide simply because his put on guard duty . Harsh treatment of jawans by their superiors is not a rare thing in army.Iam not telling that its a common practice but it is there from English era itself.Its true that there are many officers for whose safety their subordinates will die without hesitation and viceversa.But there are also a section of black sheeps too. Iam telling with such confidence coz some of my uncles had served in the army and airforce and fought the Bangladeshi war and srilankan war and even got presidents medal for the good service .
     
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    RAM The southern Man Senior Member

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    The article above has shown light to certain segments of military domain can have adverse impact to its own fraternity if acts in a an irrational manner. I’m jus wondering, Do the Military STARS can take away the human resoluteness of its own brotherhood in the name of caste,creed and religion or if the orderly person is from a specific demographic or Geographic origin.??

    As/if there’s some truth and substance in this article, Human inertia towards unjustified human subjectivity on its subordinates ,warranties an autoimmune effect when dealt with an enmass system. The weeds of higher hierarchy need to be segregated to cleanse the domain ,be it civilian or military segment for the wholesome well being of the system. To create a antagonistic mind on the subordinates with a malicious intent would be very much counterproductive and can result in unwanted repercussions.
    Hope our Think tanks and military policy makers cast an eye on these matters explicitly.
     
  13. Ray

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    The Telegraph Kolkata in a report titled 'Anthony SAeeks Report on Suicide' (Friday 10 August 2012) had stated that this is the third such incident. They being:

    1. Jun 2011 at Tibri Camp when soldiers and officers of 45 Cavalry came to blows. Three officers and 15 OR are under trial.

    2. 226 Field Regt, which is an Artillery unit in the case at Nyoma in Ladhakh

    3. The present one at 16 Light Cavalry.

    Unheard of.

    Something quite odd is happening to the system that has held the Army in good stead all these years.

    It maybe noted that these incidents have not happened in CI or on the LC.

    If they had happened under combat area and combat stress, it would be a different matter.

    It is all poor management and lack of cohesive command at all levels.

    Any guesses as to why?
     
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