Anti-India campaign gains ground in US

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  1. bhramos

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    Anti-India campaign gains ground in US | Deccan Chronicle
     
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    India can use this opportunity to ask the US to cut its ties with Pak in return for any support they want.
     
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    No way... atleast not until 2014....
     
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    What will be disadvantages to India because of the rise of the anti Indian lobby in the US?
     
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    Well, economically that is not a good news, Yankees will now try to hurt our economic interests in a covert manner. However, it would not be such a bad thing in the long run. Maybe the Indian Govt. would find some time to think about investing on its own infra and not increasing dependence on the US led west and its crony capitalism.
    Militarily however, this is not a bad news IMHO. Now the Russians would be more interested to make money off us by selling more weapons as their ambiguity of whose side India is on would be removed to a greater extent. Not to mention with the philosophy of "My enemy's enemy is my friend", even the Chinese up north may want to review their policy of covert hostility with India and temper down a bit. One would hope this happens as India's national interest is of paramount interest to us. If Iran eventually makes a bomb or not is not a big worry because frankly, n-bombs are just deterrents. Using it is tantamount to committing suicide. Furthernore, in any case, India already has many warheads targeted at itself which can destroy the population many times over, a few more would hardly make a difference. (That is, if the Iranian civilian programme goes military at all)
     
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    Exactly! I don't see much, maybe some of our "pro-west" members can shed a light on this.
     
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    There is none directly....
    But indirectly a lot.... more senators can start asking for stalling of programmes, less co operation with us and other things etc, after being emboldened by such lobby... Hey but thats just me.....
     
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    And in return what? Turn our back on Iran, and essentially become stooges for irrational American fears?

    Remember, the anti-Iran sentiment is largely due to Israel and the huge (and powerful!) Jewish base in America, who are paranoid of EVERYONE.

    And as for your hopes on Pakistan, even if the US cut off "official" support to Pak, unofficial support is going to continue indefinitely.
     
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    Nothing. No real progress is going to be made until the completely insane support of Pakistan stops by the US. Remember the US sees us as a double-edged dagger - whilst we can be of benefit buffering China, the growth of India in the coming years is going to be the flip side of the coin.
     
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    It is laughable how anti-semitic Europe is supporting Theocratic Israel.
     
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    It is in the interest of the US to remain in Pakistan.

    It is not that they are keen on Pakistan itself.

    It is that they are interested in Balochistan, where there is natural resources and it is a force multiplier for US defence interests.

    If Balochistan can be made to rebel (and indications are there), then the Chinese will be ousted from the Gwadar port, where they have the 'listening post' to monitor US activities in the Middle East. It will also give a control point close to the Straits of Hormuz.

    That apart, it will allow the US to 'box in' Iran from the East, the West having been secured through Iraq.

    Further, to keep Iran on the boil, the US will be able to foist the Jundallah who will continue foray into the Sunni areas (Iranian Balochis) adjacent to Balochistan and help them raise the issue of United Balochistan. This unrest thus foment will keep Iran on the hop.
     
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    Greater Balochistan: U.S. Military Agenda
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    Washington favors the creation of a "Greater Balochistan" which would integrate the Baloch areas of Pakistan with those of Iran and possibly the Southern tip of Afghanistan thereby leading to a process of political fracturing in both Iran and Pakistan.

    Military scholar Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters writing in the June 2006 issue of The Armed Forces Journal, suggests, in no uncertain terms that Pakistan should be broken up, leading to the formation of a separate country: "Greater Balochistan" or "Free Balochistan" (see Map). The latter would incorporate the Pakistani and Iranian Baloch provinces into a single political entity.

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    In turn, according to Peters, Pakistan's North West Frontier Province (NWFP) should be incorporated into Afghanistan "because of its linguistic and ethnic affinity". This proposed fragmentation, which broadly reflects US foreign policy, would reduce Pakistani territory to approximately 50 percent of its present land area. (See above map). Pakistan would also loose a large part of its coastline on the Arabian Sea.

    "Lieutenant-Colonel Peters was last posted, before he retired to the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence, within the U.S. Defense Department, and has been one of the Pentagon’s foremost authors with numerous essays on strategy for military journals and U.S. foreign policy."

    Covert Support to Balochistan Separatists

    Balochistan's strategic energy reserves have a bearing on the separatist agenda. Following a familiar pattern, there are indications that the Baloch insurgency is being supported and abetted by Britain and the US.

    The Baloch national resistance movement dates back to the late 1940s, when Balochistan was invaded by Pakistan. In the current geopolitical context, the separatist movement is in the process of being hijacked by foreign powers.
    British intelligence is allegedly providing covert support to Balochistan separatists. In June 2006, Pakistan's Senate Committee on Defence accused British intelligence of "abetting the insurgency in the province bordering Iran" [Balochistan]..(Press Trust of India, 9 August 2006). Ten British MPs were involved in a closed door session of the Senate Committee on Defence regarding the alleged support of Britain's Secret Service to Baloch separatists. Also of relevance are reports of CIA and Mossad support to Baloch rebels in Iran and Southern Afghanistan.

    The stated purpose of US counter-terrorism is to provide covert support as well as training to "Liberation Armies" ultimately with a view to destabilizing sovereign governments. In Kosovo, the training of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in the 1990s had been entrusted to a private mercenary company, Military Professional Resources Inc (MPRI), on contract to the Pentagon.

    Greater Balochistan ::::: US Military Agenda for South Asia
     
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    No sir they are not paronaid of everyone... Imagine being surrounded by Friendly neighbors who threaten to kill you all the time and who has banded together more than once against you with ratio of 1 to 6....????
     
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    Close 'Cultural' affinity than affinity with Arabs.

    Religious affinity (Old Testament), even though racially the Jews were discriminated in Europe because of usury!

    The leaders are mostly of European descent.
     
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    There has always been anti-India lobby in the US, but there is also pro-India lobby there. I don't think these lobbies could do more than creating or destroying perceptions, at least they do not result in changing of foreign policies that are mostly based on self-interests.
     
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    What's funny is that the Arabs and Jews are both Semites. Arabs and Jews are more similar to each other racially than with any other group. However the 'modern' Jews that live in Israel are almost entirely recent immigrants from Europe and so there exists a large cultural gap between them and the Arabs.
     
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    There is nothing anti-India about the moves in US. The law makers are toeing a pro US line. Their President has embarked on a programme of containing Iranian Nuclear Programme along with most of the West European countries. We ourselves are giving confused signals, at times we vote with the US and then we do a U turn keeping in mind the domestic political compulsions.

    Has there been a debate in the public space regarding India's policy with Iran. Most of the GCC countries with whom we have excellent relationship and who supply more than 60% of our Oil, as compared to 12% from Iran, are opposed to the Iranian Nuclear programme, and are on board with the US.

    India i the leading democratic country which till the end was reluctant to speak against Gaddafi and till date we dare not speak against Assad in Syria, who is butchering his own countrymen.

    Where do we stand today, is a question even the wise men in MEA most probably do not know.
    If the Jewish Lobby and a few Senators write to the Indian Ambassador asking an explanation from a country with which they have very deep relationship- I do not see this as an Anti-India stand.

    Let us all grow up and understand that the way we are handling our International diplomacy, does not reflect well on the size and stature of India.
     
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    The policy of divide and rule still exists in the subcontinent. Indian subcontinent is so huge. British before departing devided indi into Myanmar (Burma), Bhutan, Sikkim, Cylone and Pakistan. Then Pakistan got divided. Now Pakistan will get divided. The Brits, West and US tried to wrest J&K from India following divide and rule.

    Nothing new with that Lt Col's thoery.
     
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