Another Proof of Marx's Folly: Cuba

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Specifics? What specifics?

Keep quiet - shhhhh!

Just read.

Also, see how AsianObserve and I are debating, being on the opposite sides. Educate and civilize yourself first. Had it not been for mark normalisation, you would probably have never passed high-school!
Still dont know the difference between US and Kerala process. 'oh mark normalization is here in the US'
What happened son, cat caught your tongue?
I thank Asian observe for his charity, to speak to a complete idiot like you and still have some patience left for the rest of his life.
Quite unfortunate 'wanna be mod' and 'know it all' has to be tolerated in this fora, but hey, then again I like my chew toys.
So when are you moving to India, still love your dollars?
 

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Still dont know the difference between US and Kerala process. 'oh mark normalization is here in the US'
What happened son, cat caught your tongue?
I thank Asian observe for his charity, to speak to a complete idiot like you and still have some patience left for the rest of his life.
Quite unfortunate 'wanna be mod' and 'know it all' has to be tolerated in this fora, but hey, then again I like my chew toys.
So when are you moving to India, still love your dollars?
I don't care. I have caught you red handed posting false information in other threads and corrected you. Every time you do that, I will correct you and bring you right back on track. I have one eye on you. Be informed.
 

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Rage, not really, but mostly a chuckle at god's mistakes in life such as you.
Ahhh, now I think my thoughts have filled your mind, isn't it? I am thoroughly enjoying your undivided attention.

Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!

Anyways, AsianObserve and CivFanatic, shall we return to more compelling debate. I often get distracted by <insert word here>.
 

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I don't care. I have caught you red handed posting false information in other threads and corrected you. Every time you do that, I will correct you and bring you right back on track. I have one eye on you. Be informed.
oh my.

Such grandiosity, even when you are lying and being a complete tool. You have been caught lying, spreading false information, claims and not to mention atrociously stupid posts, not only me, mostly all the members here have corrected you or laughed at your expense. All you have done, is be my little chew toy.

Eye on you, lol...shiver me timbers. ze uber internet furher. pipe down son, you making me laugh.
 

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Ahhh, now I think my thoughts have filled your mind, isn't it? I am thoroughly enjoying your undivided attention.

Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!
Oh, yes. You certainly do. I really would like to be a social worker, who helps mentally unstable fvcks like you.
 

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Oh, yes. You certainly do. I really would like to be a social worker, who helps mentally unstable fvcks like you.
Who taught you the word 'fvcks?' Your teacher in the school where they have mark normalisation? I don't want to express my second guess. Just asking!

P.S.: You do realise that even when writing expletives you make spelling mistakes, right?
 

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Oh, yes. You certainly do. I really would like to be a social worker, who helps mentally unstable fvcks like you.
Speaking of social workers....


Ayn Rand took government assistance while decrying others who did the same

An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor).
As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help."

But alas she did and said it was wrong for everyone else to do so.
I think Rand's hatred of leftist ideology has more to do with personal frustration (her family were business-owners in Petrograd before the Revolution) than anything else.
 
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Speaking of social workers....


Ayn Rand took government assistance while decrying others who did the same



I think Rand's hatred of leftist ideology has more to do with personal frustration (her family were business-owners in Petrograd before the Revolution) than anything else.
Ah, not that tripe again. But then lies and conspiracy are trademarks of communism and socialism, as is evidenced by all the nation;s who have been at the reciving end of this evil ideology

Lying about Ayn Rand and Social Security
In 2010 I discussed a smear that was done on Ayn Rand, one of the favorite targets in the world for smears and attacks. Typically her critics have invented lies about Rand or, at the very least, grossly distorted the facts.

In the 2010 smear some online pundits claimed that Rand said a serial killer was her ideal man and used him to model her heroes. This was a gross misrepresentation of the truth, as I documented at the time.

What was particularly dishonest was that these smear-mongers pretended that some dark truth had been uncovered by the anti-Ayn brigade. In fact, what they did was misquote some material from her journals released by Rand's own estate. They misquoted material, ripped it out of context, claimed it meant the complete opposite of what Rand actually said, and then pretended that they uncovered this truth. They invented it, they didn't uncover it.

I was asked by someone about a new attack on Rand, which some of the rabid haters on the Left were doing, alleging some sort of hypocrisy by Rand for "taking social security." Some childish writer at the rather unreliable AlterNet wrote an article entitled: "Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them."

The article claimed "Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor." O'Connor was her married name but her given name was Alice not Ann, but then facts are not important to the smearbund.

The author quotes Michael Ford of the "Center for the Study of the American Dream," saying, "In the end, Miss Rand was a hypocrite but she could never be faulted for failing to act in her own self-interest." (I suggest "own self-interest" is redundant. What other kind of self-interest is there?)

I found this odd since Rand had commented that people who are forced to fund government programs are NOT immoral for taking the benefits for which they paid. For instance, it is not wrong for people to attend government schools, which are funded with their tax monies, whether they like it or not. They have to start with a false premise: that Rand said receiving Social Security, that one is forced to pay for, was wrong. Without that false claim they have no charge of hypocrisy. They pretend she took a position she never took and then accuse her of violating the position she didn't take.

in 1966 Rand's Objectivist Newsletter said that not collecting from programs that one is forced to finance would be wrong. It said:
...the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own money—and they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration.
The AlterNet smear also claimed that Rand said that the link between smoking and cancer was a hoax. She actually never said that. She said she was not convinced that the case had been made, and at the time it hadn't been fully made. She never said it was a hoax and she stopped smoking instantly when her physician showed her a dark spot on her own lung's x-ray.

According to AlterNet one Evva Joan Pryor, "who had been a social worker in New Yorker" said that "I remember telling her that this was going to be difficult. For me to do my job she had to recognize that there were exceptions to her theory." What job was that? Well, if you believe AlterNet she was "social worker" during this period. The implication being that Rand had to seek out a social worker to help her. Some smear-mongers of Rand have argued with me that she died penniless as the result of the evils of capitalism and that was why she sought out this social worker.

Pryor was NOT a social worker. She worked for the law firm of Ernst, Crane Gitlin & Winick which handled all legal matters for Rand. Nor was Rand penniless or in need. She was penniless when she arrived in America but during this period she had cash reserves of a few hundred thousand dollars and a steady income from book royalties.

Pryor argued with Rand because Ayn did not want Social Security, nor did Rand go out and seek it, or Medicare, even though doing so was entirely consistent with her own ethics. What Pryor said was that she tried to convince Rand to sign up and they argued. Pryor says Rand "was never involved other than to sign the power of attorney. I did the rest." Beyond that Pryor said nothing else. There is no indication whether Pryor used the power of attorney to apply for benefits, or whether Rand knew about it. There is no indication that such benefits were ever used. There is simply no evidence to show Rand "Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them."

Pryor's full interview in 100 Voices: Oral History of Ayn Rand, indicates the opposite. It shows Rand fighting with her attorneys and telling them that she didn't want to do this. She signed a power of attorney and Pryor said that she acted "whether [Ayn] agreed or not." Pryor never actually says what actions she (Pryor) took in spite of whether Ayn "agreed or not." What we have is the rabid Left jumping to numerous conclusions not warranted by the evidence.

So, there are numerous things wrong with these claims. First, it would not be hypocrisy if Rand did take benefits from programs that she was forced to fund. Second, Rand clearly didn't "grab" any such benefits but fought her own attorneys about doing so and they, not she, were the ones pushing it. Third, there is no indication she actually got any benefits because Pryor doesn't say. And, fourth, Pryor makes it clear that she acted as Rand's attorney on health issues even when Rand didn't agree with her. And fifth, there is no indication that Rand knew all of the decisions that Pryor made on her behalf. Perhaps she did, but perhaps she didn't.

Rand had sufficient resources to cover the health issues she faced. In fact, she had sufficient funds to pay for heart surgery for her brother-in-law from Russia. Rand's estate had a substantial sum of cash at the time of Rand's death indicating that Pryor's concerns that health costs could "bankrupt" Rand never took place. And, since Pryor argued that Rand should have these things in case health care bankrupted her, it is entirely possible that Rand never got a cent. We just don't know. But if she did, there is nothing to attack her over either.

Here is an indication of the dishonest attacks on Rand. One site claims that "Ayn received Medicare benefits under an assumed name (is that even possible?), that explains why my FOI request came up empty." How stupid is this writer? Ayn Rand was the assumed named, Alice O'Connor was Rand's legal name. This writer repeats the false claim that Pryor was "a New York social worker" who was "a consultant for Rand's attorney's." The book, from which they claim to glean this information, says Pryor worked at the law firm, doesn't mention social worker, and Pryor said she had power of attorney from Rand, something a social worker would not have.

This article claims that Rand and her husband collected a grand total of around $14,000 in Social Security between the years of 1974 and 1982. This would be far under the amount of Social Security taxes that Rand was required to pay in during her lifetime even if we don't include any income for Frank O'Connor. Social Security taxes were first collected in 1937, well before her first best-seller in 1943, The Fountainhead. She earned substantial amounts of money during the 40s, 50s and 60s and would have paid substantial amounts in social security payments because she was self-employed as an author. In other words, the $14,000 she and Frank got back would have been a small percentage of the amount she paid in. (I am assuming the author of that piece is telling the truth about the $14,000, which given his record of truthfulness, is a big assumption on my part.)

The absurdity is that the one site lies by claiming that this small amount, spread over eight years "allowed Rand and her husband to maintain their quality of life, remain in their apartment and live out their final years with dignity." Considering the several hundred thousand dollars that Rand had in savings, does this moronic author really believe that without that $1,750 per year, that Rand would have been unable to maintain her quality of life, would have lost her apartment and not lived out her final years with dignity? Another indication that Social Security was not responsible for Rand's quality of life, etc., is that she employed a secretary to help her pay her bills, a housekeeper and a cook. The cook, Eloise Huggins, was given $10,000 by Rand's Estate in appreciation for her work—a sum almost equal to the total amount that the O'Connors received from Social Security over an eight year period.

The hyperbole and distortions are typical. Sadly it shows that so many of Rand's critics lack any integrity and couldn't give a critique of Rand without resorting to lying.

Pryor's obituary in Variety says that she had a master's degree in "psychiatric social work" but never indicates that she worked as a social worker as multiple articles claimed. They said she worked as a "rights agent" for law firms for authors and that she also worked as "copyright/trademark specialist" and that she was a specialist in business systems and "did bond financing on Wall Street." She was NOT Ayn Rand's social worker! Social workers don't get obituaries published by Variety, the entertainment newspaper.

In spite of how easily one can verify if Pryor worked as a social worker, the falsehood that she was Rand's social worker was repeated on dozens of Left-wing websites. That so many sites are repeating this false claim indicates how quickly they mimic the slogans of each other and indicates that none of them have the level of commitment to the truth to research it for themselves. Had they done so they would catch the numerous errors, that the errors are spread from site to site, indicates they have no interest in checking facts before they spread the claims.
 

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Who taught you the word 'fvcks?' Your teacher in the school where they have mark normalisation? I don't want to express my second guess. Just asking!

P.S.: You do realise that even when writing expletives you make spelling mistakes, right?
People without common sense and being subodh of dil chahta hai! Now there is someone for the meat grinder of any social setup. Then again simple idea of subverting automatic board censor must have been lost on you along with common sense.
Dont worry little boy, semper fi. You will get there.
 
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Speaking of social workers....


Ayn Rand took government assistance while decrying others who did the same



I think Rand's hatred of leftist ideology has more to do with personal frustration (her family were business-owners in Petrograd before the Revolution) than anything else.
Actually there are many such former oligarchy from the heydays of the Russian Empire, rich businessmen, hoarders, serf owners etc., who were dispossessed of their ill gotten wealth and these people have, since Glasnost, have taken it upon themselves to be the messiah (no pun intended) for those that have suffered under the unitary rule of Stalin. The sufferers are true and many of them are innocents, but the credibility of people like Ayn Rand et al. is suspect.
 
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People without common sense and being subodh of dil chahta hai! Now there is someone for the meat grinder of any social setup. Then again simple idea of subverting automatic board censor must have been lost on you along with common sense.
Dont worry little boy, semper fi. You will get there.
Mark normalisation exists in the USA. Point made. Move on.

Repeat: Move on!

Don't get stuck in the muck!

 

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Actually there are many such former oligarchy from the heydays of the Russian Empire, rich businessmen, hoarders, serf owners etc., who were dispossessed of their ill gotten wealth and these people have, since Glasnost, have taken it upon themselves to be the Messiah for those that have suffered under the unitary rule of Stalin. The sufferers are true and many of them are innocents, but the credibility of people like Ayn Rand et al. is suspect.
This coming from the same person who supported Varna System aka Class system which in the Indian context also means the very essence of Caste System. Ah, Very Rich. Hypocrisy much? So earning dollars in America and supporting class systems in India all the while weakening her economy through promotion of socialism, ah this brown sahib is a great patriot who wants India to remain like those of in 1970's, who see he could visit the farmlands of India with his white friends, talk about poverty, feel good about himself and give a few dollars to the locals to feel like a king, and go to the US to drive the taxi.
Such a great patriot.
 

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This coming from the same person who supported Varna System aka Class system which in the Indian context also means the very essence of Caste System. Ah, Very Rich. Hypocrisy much? So earning dollars in America and supporting class systems in India all the while weakening her economy through promotion of socialism, ah this brown sahib is a great patriot who wants India to remain like those of in 1970's, who see he could visit the farmlands of India with his white friends, talk about poverty, feel good about himself and give a few dollars to the locals to feel like a king, and go to the US to drive the taxi.
Such a great patriot.
Unrelated post. Go for the correct thread, the message and not the messenger. Actually, learn how to debate first.

Varna system is meritocratic and I have said that many times. You have this habit of asking questions and even if they are answered, you keep asking the same questions.

What is your problem? Here is something that those who love you and hold you dear should look into:
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Mark normalisation exists in the USA. Point made. Move on.

Repeat: Move on!

Don't get stuck in the muck!
No, you little idiot. You havent.

Mark Normalization in the USA is not the same as that of in Kerala. Get that through your thick head.
Mark Normalization done in the USA ensure parity and equity, and in Kerala done to destroy private education. Depends on how you calculate it, how the standards of calcuations are in the various syllabuses that is being compared. But hey, dont let the details and truth bother you.
Mostly numbnuts like you dont read fine print. It is question of intelligence and deficient birth. Not your fault, you have it.
 
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Unrelated post. Go for the message not the messenger. Actually, learn how to debate first.

Varna system is meritocratic and I have said that many times. You have this habit of asking questions and even if they are answered, you keep asking the same questions.

What is your problem? Here is something that those who love you and hold you dear should look into:
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You have a habit, of uttering two words and thinking others are idiots who dont know jackshit, therefore will take your completely ill-informed and atrociously stupid posts.
Yup, meritocracy, you they had to do their SAT's to get Varna system, you need some gray matter, you little twit.
 
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No, you little idiot. You havent.

Mark Normalization in the USA is not the same as that of in Kerala. Get that through your thick head.
Mark Normalization done in the USA ensure parity and equity, and in Kerala done to destroy private education. Depends on how you calculate it, who the standards of calcuations are in the various syllabuses that is being compared. But hey, dont let the details and truth bother you.
Mostly numbnuts like you dont read fine print. It is question of intelligence and deficient birth. Not your fault, you have it.
I will give you two options:
  1. Post link(s) to show how mark normalisation in USA and Kerala are different.
  2. See a doctor.
Yapping like a chatterbox will not earn you any quarters.

You have a habit, of uttering two words and thinking others are idiots who dont know jackshit, therefore will take your completely ill-informed and atrociously stupid posts.
Yup, meritocracy, you they had to do their SAT's to get Varna system, go gray matter, you little twit.
Thank you for spending time in reading and replying to my 'stupid' posts.
 

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I will give you two options:
  1. Post link(s) to show how mark normalisation in USA and Kerala are different.
  2. See a doctor.
Yapping like a chatterbox will not earn you any quarters.
You are the little twit who claimed that Mark Normalization is the same in India and USA. So prove it. I cant believe you actually compared between two different standards of grading and educational culture. What a little ninocoomp you are .
What I want to see is a doctor, who could actually employ euthanasia on you, for the love of mankind.
 

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You are the little twit who claimed that Mark Normalization is the same in India and USA. So prove it. I cant believe you actually compared between two different standards of grading and educational culture. What a little ninocoomp you are .
What I want to see is a doctor, who could actually employ euthanasia on you, for the love of mankind.
No, I said mark normalisation exists in the USA. Read my post again. Actually, I think you have ADD. See a doctor instead.

They could be same in both the USA and Kerala or could be different. I do not know. I know it happens in the USA. Period.
 

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Adux,

Here are the details about statistical normalisation. Read it. What happens in the USA satisfies the theories and processes in the link below. I challenge you to post the formulae used for mark normalisation in Kerala. If they agree, it will be proven that you are an imbecile of grade 1.

Normalization (statistics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Never mind, I don't expect you to respond.

Read the equation at the bottom of page one and the equations for mean and standard deviation on page four in the link below:
http://www.cee-kerala.org/docs/keam2011/normalization_how_it_works.pdf

Now try to figure out what kind of a nincompoop you are!
 
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