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Al-Qaeda has backfired on the United States - Putin
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The rest of the world. NATO does not amount to the whole world. Maybe a large chunk of the developed world, but not much of world population.
This is the man who will unravel the United States all over again. You couldn't joust well enough with the USSR, so you broke it apart(not blaming you). Now you are struggling against Russian plain-speak, God help the US.
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Al-Qaeda now a US ally in Syria
While we reflect on the 11th anniversary of the al Qaeda attacks on American soil, there is a blinding light that may obscure our view: this sworn enemy now fights hand in hand with the US against the Syrian regime.
The historic State of the Union address by US president George W. Bush on September 20, 2001 is loaded with morals and principles about good and evil.
The president's ultimatum was clear: either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
In Syria, there is mounting evidence that Al Qaeda and its allies are actively deploying terror tactics and suicide bombers to overthrow the Assad regime.
Syrian citizens who prefer the secular and stable state to the prospect of an Iraqi-style sectarian state may well be turning this same question around to the US government: are you with us, or with the terrorists?
This week, head of the Salafi jihad and close ally of al Qaeda, Abu Sayyaf, pledged ''deadly attacks'' against Syria as ''our fighters are coming to get you'' because ''crimes'' by the regime ''prompts us to jihad''.
Bush referred to al Qaeda as the enemies of freedom: ''the terrorists' directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews''. But Sheikh Muhammad al Zughbey proclaimed that ''your jihad against this infidel criminal and his people is a religious duty "¦ Alawites are more infidel than the Jews and Christians''. Because the new jihad targets Alawites rather than Jews and Christians, does this render them better bed fellows?
By his own admission, Bush stated that al Qaeda was ''linked to many other organisations in different countries "¦ They are recruited from their own nations "¦ where they are trained in the tactics of terror "¦ They are sent back to their homes or sent to hide in countries around the world to plot evil and destruction''.
Yet this is precisely how the foreign jihadists in Syria have been described by reporters. They are funded and armed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. And they collaborate with the Free Syrian Army which is aided and abetted by the US.
Bush condemned the Taliban regime because they were ''sponsoring and sheltering and supplying terrorists. By aiding and abetting murder, the Taliban regime is committing murder''. Eleven years later, the parallels produce an uncomfortable truth.
If only the Syrian uprising was as simple as the Arab Spring narrative where citizens seek democracy and freedom. But those unarmed protests have long since been hijacked by a cocktail of agendas which have little to do with Syrian democracy, and more to do with a proxy war to create a sectarian Sunni state that weakens Shi'te Iran's main partner in the region.
Bush was correct in claiming that al Qaeda ''want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan'' - who were all US-Israel allies at that time.
But his list stopped short of mentioning Syria or Iraq, the real targets of al Qaeda. Why does overthrowing Syria, using the same terror tactics, fail to attract the same degree of outrage?
Bush continues: ''We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism.''
This pledge appears to have fallen on its own sword, given the funding of the jihadists in Syria. The terrorists have bred and spread across borders, which is the opposite of Bush's prophecy.
The US administration must come clean about its financial aid. It cannot use one hand to sign a blank cheque to the rebels, and the other hand to cover its eyes to their immoral and illegal tactics. It cannot hide behind ''the end justifies the means'' as there are too many innocent lives at stake.
Bush rode off on his high horse: ''We are in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by them "¦ may God grant us wisdom''.
If the principles and morality are to be taken seriously, then they need to be applied consistently.
The US regime should be actively and publicly distancing itself from the foreign terrorists and Salafist jihadists that are proliferating within sovereign Syria.
It should be condemning al Qaeda for its militant intervention. It should be condemning the Saudi sheikhs who issue fatwas for an Alawite holocaust.
The wisdom that we see is grief over the al Qaeda crime 11 years ago, yet covert collaboration with this sworn enemy today.
Perhaps the US is applying another principle that they may have learned from their pragmatic Arab allies - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Al-Qaeda now a US ally in Syria
While we reflect on the 11th anniversary of the al Qaeda attacks on American soil, there is a blinding light that may obscure our view: this sworn enemy now fights hand in hand with the US against the Syrian regime.
The historic State of the Union address by US president George W. Bush on September 20, 2001 is loaded with morals and principles about good and evil.
The president's ultimatum was clear: either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
In Syria, there is mounting evidence that Al Qaeda and its allies are actively deploying terror tactics and suicide bombers to overthrow the Assad regime.
Syrian citizens who prefer the secular and stable state to the prospect of an Iraqi-style sectarian state may well be turning this same question around to the US government: are you with us, or with the terrorists?
This week, head of the Salafi jihad and close ally of al Qaeda, Abu Sayyaf, pledged ''deadly attacks'' against Syria as ''our fighters are coming to get you'' because ''crimes'' by the regime ''prompts us to jihad''.
Bush referred to al Qaeda as the enemies of freedom: ''the terrorists' directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews''. But Sheikh Muhammad al Zughbey proclaimed that ''your jihad against this infidel criminal and his people is a religious duty "¦ Alawites are more infidel than the Jews and Christians''. Because the new jihad targets Alawites rather than Jews and Christians, does this render them better bed fellows?
By his own admission, Bush stated that al Qaeda was ''linked to many other organisations in different countries "¦ They are recruited from their own nations "¦ where they are trained in the tactics of terror "¦ They are sent back to their homes or sent to hide in countries around the world to plot evil and destruction''.
Yet this is precisely how the foreign jihadists in Syria have been described by reporters. They are funded and armed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. And they collaborate with the Free Syrian Army which is aided and abetted by the US.
Bush condemned the Taliban regime because they were ''sponsoring and sheltering and supplying terrorists. By aiding and abetting murder, the Taliban regime is committing murder''. Eleven years later, the parallels produce an uncomfortable truth.
If only the Syrian uprising was as simple as the Arab Spring narrative where citizens seek democracy and freedom. But those unarmed protests have long since been hijacked by a cocktail of agendas which have little to do with Syrian democracy, and more to do with a proxy war to create a sectarian Sunni state that weakens Shi'te Iran's main partner in the region.
Bush was correct in claiming that al Qaeda ''want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan'' - who were all US-Israel allies at that time.
But his list stopped short of mentioning Syria or Iraq, the real targets of al Qaeda. Why does overthrowing Syria, using the same terror tactics, fail to attract the same degree of outrage?
Bush continues: ''We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism.''
This pledge appears to have fallen on its own sword, given the funding of the jihadists in Syria. The terrorists have bred and spread across borders, which is the opposite of Bush's prophecy.
The US administration must come clean about its financial aid. It cannot use one hand to sign a blank cheque to the rebels, and the other hand to cover its eyes to their immoral and illegal tactics. It cannot hide behind ''the end justifies the means'' as there are too many innocent lives at stake.
Bush rode off on his high horse: ''We are in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by them "¦ may God grant us wisdom''.
If the principles and morality are to be taken seriously, then they need to be applied consistently.
The US regime should be actively and publicly distancing itself from the foreign terrorists and Salafist jihadists that are proliferating within sovereign Syria.
It should be condemning al Qaeda for its militant intervention. It should be condemning the Saudi sheikhs who issue fatwas for an Alawite holocaust.
The wisdom that we see is grief over the al Qaeda crime 11 years ago, yet covert collaboration with this sworn enemy today.
Perhaps the US is applying another principle that they may have learned from their pragmatic Arab allies - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Al-Qaeda now a US ally in Syria
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We Want a Control on Western AggressorsThe rest of the world. NATO does not amount to the whole world. Maybe a large chunk of the developed world, but not much of world population.
This is the man who will unravel the United States all over again. You couldn't joust well enough with the USSR, so you broke it apart(not blaming you). Now you are struggling against Russian plain-speak, God help the US.
I would like to clear few points which is always raised by the nationals of BRICS countries regarding the Syria crisis as below, with demand of a direct military operation against those NATO members who are violating the UN's laws and helping the rebels/AL Qaeda directly/indirectly against Syria right now, as below:
1st, Not just NATO members but humans live in BRICS countries also and we do understand meaning of Human Rights, much more than those 'democratic' NATO members who are giving direct support to 'democratic' Al Qaeda against the Syrian government right now. and if even 2 VETO's were used in favor of Assad government of Syria, then it simply means that other UN's members are then responsible to keep themselves out of this ongoing conflicts in Syria? and if the NATO members are directly involved in the war going on in SYria, then we also have right to defend our allies, including Syria, for what even Veto's were used in UN. and all the UN's member fall under UN's laws.........
2nd, we can't believe that Mr Assad, whose own wife was born in UK and kids living in Europe, would go against its civilians, regardless any religious/racial belief. while on the other hand the 'democratic' NATO is right with their support for even AL Qaeda, for any democratic reason? we sincerely believe that if Mr Assad is given an opportunity then he may establish peace in Syria, to help Syrian out of threat of Al Qaeda in future this way, with promising a prosper future to them also. its a simple one of the sectarian wars organized by NATO and their Arab followers and we dont want them to win any more war. the Western War Champions who always have someone on their gun point and others in waiting list, Libya would be their last stop and we don't want these War Champions to proceed further in their intentions of organizing more wars in world, and we won't let them win any more war. we just dont want to let these western war champions win any more war to change regimes by force, one by one......
3nd, the demand is so serious that we even demand a direct road link through Azerbaijan/Georgia to approach our allies, in tough circumstances. as it is argued that if Turkey and Iran want to fight with each other then its a one-one match, but how is it justified to leave our one ally with fighting with whole NATO in either way? and how can we maintain confidence among us if we can't help our any ally if whole NATO go after it, including Syria? as, what the guarantee that this is their last stop and they will not proceed further to another sovereign country after that???????
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Terrorism by US/Britain in India:
Supported by the Voters and Tax Payers of US/UK who have put their 'democratic' governments to do so in India :
For those who dont know about these Western War Handlers, would start learning from the few news as below. you people are worried for the criminals/terrorist like Dawood Abrahim, who is wanted in over 1000 deaths in India due to different bomb blasts like in early 90s, murders during 80s with having hands in Mumbai attack also, while its clear on the different political tables that until we may successfully kill those Americans/British who 'handle' the people like dawood abrahim, there is no meaning to fight with either Dawood Abrahim or his lord like Mr P.Musharraf who himself is a Pet Dog of Britain, (who kept Dawood in Pakistan, similar to many kashmiri militants, other different indian criminals in pakistan, as guided by his British lords.....). as, if they used Mr Mush and Dawood like people in past then they may put someone else to do same in future again............
there is no part of the world where the terrorism is not being funded or directly handled by the US's government agencies, India just got an experience in Mumbai Attack as below. internet is full of this type of news, get to know few things as below:
=> I have been part of many type of politics during last 5-6 years, by unwillingness, but I did get valuable experiences due to that. and I can say something in short, "if an American or British is killed somewhere then there is always a 'good' reason behind it." i mean, you just can't ask why an American or British was killed in any part of the world, as there are always too many 'good' reasons behind it that you would simply understand that, "yaah thats how the things are.......". while we find Al Qaeda first raped that US's diplomat in Libya and then killed him as we do know that Al Qaeda and US are 'close' friends, who sometimes work together and sometimes they first have sex and then murder each other.........
American+British governments have organized so many wars, military/economic/political, in this world that its simply foolish to ask for a reason behind killing of their citizens in any part of the world. you may find my this comment little rude but its a type of "common sense" among the different political groups of world..........
Supported by the Voters and Tax Payers of US/UK who have put their 'democratic' governments to do so in India :
For those who dont know about these Western War Handlers, would start learning from the few news as below. you people are worried for the criminals/terrorist like Dawood Abrahim, who is wanted in over 1000 deaths in India due to different bomb blasts like in early 90s, murders during 80s with having hands in Mumbai attack also, while its clear on the different political tables that until we may successfully kill those Americans/British who 'handle' the people like dawood abrahim, there is no meaning to fight with either Dawood Abrahim or his lord like Mr P.Musharraf who himself is a Pet Dog of Britain, (who kept Dawood in Pakistan, similar to many kashmiri militants, other different indian criminals in pakistan, as guided by his British lords.....). as, if they used Mr Mush and Dawood like people in past then they may put someone else to do same in future again............
there is no part of the world where the terrorism is not being funded or directly handled by the US's government agencies, India just got an experience in Mumbai Attack as below. internet is full of this type of news, get to know few things as below:
David Headley is a Chicago-based Pakistani American, who conspired with Lashkar-e-Taiba to launch the 2008 Mumbai attacks. Since his arrest he has been closely guarded by the US government and access to him restricted. Despite pleading guilty he has not been extradited to India, instead he has been cooperating with the U.S. authorities with matters related to terrorism.
Before the attacks the CIA had strong links to Headley and it is suspected that he was an agent for them. Unfreemedia reports that India's Home Ministry officials are now investigating whether the Pakistani-American terror suspect David Coleman Headley was in fact a CIA double agent.
Terror Alert Fashback: Mumbai Attack Involved CIA and ISI - WideShut: Alternative News
=> I have been part of many type of politics during last 5-6 years, by unwillingness, but I did get valuable experiences due to that. and I can say something in short, "if an American or British is killed somewhere then there is always a 'good' reason behind it." i mean, you just can't ask why an American or British was killed in any part of the world, as there are always too many 'good' reasons behind it that you would simply understand that, "yaah thats how the things are.......". while we find Al Qaeda first raped that US's diplomat in Libya and then killed him as we do know that Al Qaeda and US are 'close' friends, who sometimes work together and sometimes they first have sex and then murder each other.........
American+British governments have organized so many wars, military/economic/political, in this world that its simply foolish to ask for a reason behind killing of their citizens in any part of the world. you may find my this comment little rude but its a type of "common sense" among the different political groups of world..........
Role of Alleged CIA Asset in Mumbai Attacks Being Downplayed
by Jeremy R. Hammond
December 10, 2008
The role in the terrorist attacks in Mumbai last month of an underworld kingpin that heads an organization known as D-Company, has known ties to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), and who is alleged to have ties with the CIA is apparently being whitewashed, suggesting that his capture and handover to India might prove inconvenient for either the ISI or the CIA, or both.
Kasab told his interrogators that his team had set out from Karachi, Pakistan, on a ship belonging to Dawood Ibrahim, the MV Alpha. :ranger:
Upon arriving off the coast near the city, they were received by inflatable rubber dinghies that had been arranged by an associate of Ibrahim's in Mumbai.
One of the SIM cards used was possibly purchased from New Jersey. Investigators are looking into this potential link to the US, as well.
Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen similarly reported that according to intelligence sources, Dawood Ibrahim is a CIA asset, both as a veteran of the mujahedeen war and in a continuing connection with his casino and drug trade operations in Kathmandu, Nepal. A deal had been made earlier this year to have Pakistan hand Ibrahim over to India, but the CIA was fearful that this would lead to too many of its 'dirty secrets' coming to light, including the criminal activities of high level personnel within the agency.
Former Indian Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani wrote in his memoir, "My Country My Life", that he made a great effort to get Pakistan to hand over Ibrahim, and met with then US Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice (now Secretary of State) to pressure Pakistan to do so. But he was informed by Powell that Pakistan would hand over Ibrahim only "with some strings attached"
Role of Alleged CIA Asset in Mumbai Attacks Being Downplayed | Foreign Policy Journal
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Britain, the Sanctuary of Criminals and Corrupts:
Today Britain has become sanctuary of all those criminals who have committed different crimes in their home countries and want protection. And the loyalists of British royal family, including British government, give them all type of support if these criminals/corrupts can prove themselves for any use for Britain, in return of being defended in Britain.
Today, Britain is the only place of the world where not only professional criminals but also the political criminals/corrupts are getting protection, and only these people may help Britain to get progress; this is what British rulers believe now days. and as country like India is scared with this sanctuary of corrupts/criminals which is intended to interfere in the internal matters of other countries, to create problems for them to fulfill different national interests of Britain, the nation. so every one is scared of them (for example of pakistan, have a look on the number of corrupt diplomats/ politicians who are wanted by Pakistan's police but are being defended by the British government including former Pakistani president Mr P Musharraf who is charged for murder cases also? )
Now days British rulers are picking all those nationals of different developing countries who have criminal background/ corruption cases and in return of being defended, they are ready to work for the loyalists of British royal family/ the British government.
one day, India will finally have to declare the British origin politicians/diplomats, the national enemies of India. there is no meaning to cheat ourselves, and having friendship with these people has only one meaning, you want to give them enough space to destroy your country. right now, US/UK/Australia etc have infused their every resource to get something done in India, to buy its diplomats/bureaucrats/ politicians/ businessmen etc. and if you dont take proper action in this regard then it only means that soon US/UK will have done the same in India, what they have done in Pakistan to an extent ........
hence, I strongly believe that India would adopt China model to resist these people and have higher progress at the same time.....
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I tried to find out why Britain has become this big problem for the whole world that they are now in search of people of wrong background only to fulfill their different national interests? Then here we have example of this M-MRCA deal of India. Britian made so much noise on MRCA as their over 10,000 jobs are threatened after losing this deal, while EFT Typhoon is mainly developed by Germany, And their other future aircraft, F35/ JSF, is being made by US. While winner of MMRCA, the Rafale, is made by just one country, the France, including its engine so France is confident to make new technologies by themselves in future and can get progress by themselves. While these main pigs of the world, the British, are either relying on the technologies developed by US+EU, or, they are picking all those corrupts and criminals who have committed different crimes in their home countries and can be of any use for Britain, the nation, to help Britain get progress by either way. Only this type of corrupts and criminals can help Britain get progress, the belief common British nationals have got right now
Today Britain has become sanctuary of all those criminals who have committed different crimes in their home countries and want protection. And the loyalists of British royal family, including British government, give them all type of support if these criminals/corrupts can prove themselves for any use for Britain, in return of being defended in Britain.
Today, Britain is the only place of the world where not only professional criminals but also the political criminals/corrupts are getting protection, and only these people may help Britain to get progress; this is what British rulers believe now days. and as country like India is scared with this sanctuary of corrupts/criminals which is intended to interfere in the internal matters of other countries, to create problems for them to fulfill different national interests of Britain, the nation. so every one is scared of them (for example of pakistan, have a look on the number of corrupt diplomats/ politicians who are wanted by Pakistan's police but are being defended by the British government including former Pakistani president Mr P Musharraf who is charged for murder cases also? )
Now days British rulers are picking all those nationals of different developing countries who have criminal background/ corruption cases and in return of being defended, they are ready to work for the loyalists of British royal family/ the British government.
one day, India will finally have to declare the British origin politicians/diplomats, the national enemies of India. there is no meaning to cheat ourselves, and having friendship with these people has only one meaning, you want to give them enough space to destroy your country. right now, US/UK/Australia etc have infused their every resource to get something done in India, to buy its diplomats/bureaucrats/ politicians/ businessmen etc. and if you dont take proper action in this regard then it only means that soon US/UK will have done the same in India, what they have done in Pakistan to an extent ........
hence, I strongly believe that India would adopt China model to resist these people and have higher progress at the same time.....
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I tried to find out why Britain has become this big problem for the whole world that they are now in search of people of wrong background only to fulfill their different national interests? Then here we have example of this M-MRCA deal of India. Britian made so much noise on MRCA as their over 10,000 jobs are threatened after losing this deal, while EFT Typhoon is mainly developed by Germany, And their other future aircraft, F35/ JSF, is being made by US. While winner of MMRCA, the Rafale, is made by just one country, the France, including its engine so France is confident to make new technologies by themselves in future and can get progress by themselves. While these main pigs of the world, the British, are either relying on the technologies developed by US+EU, or, they are picking all those corrupts and criminals who have committed different crimes in their home countries and can be of any use for Britain, the nation, to help Britain get progress by either way. Only this type of corrupts and criminals can help Britain get progress, the belief common British nationals have got right now
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sir, I dont post anything which is not of my own idea, whether I posted the same somewhere else under my ID hello_10/sunny_10, or here, there is 'none' which i cut and paste which is not my own idea.........
the problem we have, that most of members i found on the forums of 20s, who first need to be educated about the geo-political issues. and if you check my threads then i first make at least 6-7 posts/articles, of my own search, my own ideas, to first let the members get to know about that certain topic. and hence I have to first take my posts, i myself posted on the different forums under my ID, hello_10/sunny_10, and post here so that we may then start healthy discussions in the light of proper informations, through credible reference :thumb:
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Terrorism and Friendship can't continue together 
While talking to the US's/British side, Indian side must always be clear that terrorism and friendship can't continue together. no country would do friendship with US/Britain, just to give to give them an opportunity to help them get their evil activities done in India, definitely not. any type of attack on the sovereignty of India, its security and national interests, simply put these two countries in the category of 'enemies', which then means of tackling these two with whatever strength India has. having hands in all the terrorist activities in India during last over 40 years, giving protection to the criminals wanted in India, all means for declaring these two as national enemies of India. why would India allow those b@stards who only have a single intention to break down this country, the nation, its peace?????
today we find China, Russia as 'lucky' countries then its simply because they haven't given enough opportunity to these two biggest b@stards of the world, the US+UK, to get their work done in their countries. then here, how is it advisable for India to remain 'unlucky' under shadow of these two enemies of humanity, the US+UK? why won't India also have friendship with these western countries based on the certain terms and conditions only?????
While talking to the US's/British side, Indian side must always be clear that terrorism and friendship can't continue together. no country would do friendship with US/Britain, just to give to give them an opportunity to help them get their evil activities done in India, definitely not
. any type of attack on the sovereignty of India, its security and national interests, simply put these two countries in the category of 'enemies', which then means of tackling these two with whatever strength India has. having hands in all the terrorist activities in India during last over 40 years, giving protection to the criminals wanted in India, all means for declaring these two as national enemies of India. why would India allow those b@stards who only have a single intention to break down this country, the nation, its peace?????today we find China, Russia as 'lucky' countries then its simply because they haven't given enough opportunity to these two biggest b@stards of the world, the US+UK, to get their work done in their countries. then here, how is it advisable for India to remain 'unlucky' under shadow of these two enemies of humanity, the US+UK? why won't India also have friendship with these western countries based on the certain terms and conditions only?????
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Good point. In fact we should abhor anything and everything that tries to spread their influence covertly. There are a great many of those.Terrorism and Friendship can't continue together
While talking to the US's/British side, Indian side must always be clear that terrorism and friendship can't continue together. no country would do friendship with US/Britain, just to give to give them an opportunity to help them get their evil activities done in India, definitely not
today we find China, Russia as 'lucky' countries then its simply because they haven't given enough opportunity to these two biggest b@stards of the world, the US+UK, to get their work done in their countries. then here, how is it advisable for India to remain 'unlucky' under shadow of these two enemies of humanity, the US+UK? why won't India also have friendship with these western countries based on the certain terms and conditions only?????
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'West's policy of iron and blood doesn't work'
01 December, 2012
Advancing democracy abroad through "iron and blood" "doesn't work", said Russia's Foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov. In his speech the diplomat slammed the West's policy towards Syria and reiterated Russia's stance on the situation in the war-torn state.
Sergey Lavrov stressed that Moscow's position towards Syria and other countries in the region is not because Russia "opposes Western influence" or "puts a stick in the spokes of Western-initiated projects out of spite", but because "advancing democracy through iron and blood just does not work".
"In most cases it produces the opposite reaction" and leads to "the strengthening of extremists and repressive forces, decreasing the chances of real democratic change," Lavrov said at a foreign policy council meeting.
"This has been made clear in recent months – the past year-and-a-half," he added.
Lavrov recalled the results of past attempts to use force by avoiding the UN Security Council, and expressed concern that some states are trying to make the "Libyan model a precedent."
"What is worrying is that at times of crises one is tempted to resort to military methods. Some of our partners find these methods suitable," Lavrov said.
"No-one knows in the end what will happen in the Middle East, including Syria," he said.
The latest statement by Lavrov echoes President Vladimir Putin's comments made back in July. Then Putin criticized the West for clinging to its influence in the Arab world under the guise of "humanitarian operations", dubbing western involvement in Arab affairs as the export of "rocket and bomb democracy."
Moscow has been repeatedly criticized for supporting Assad's regime, including weapon and money supplies, and vetoing resolutions against government regime. Russia has denied the accusations by western powers, but says it will not allow a repeat of Libyan scenario. At the same time, Moscow insists that Assad's resignation, something the West actively seeks, cannot be decided by foreign states, but only by the Syrian people.
Lavrov: 'West's policy of iron and blood doesn't work' — RT
01 December, 2012
Advancing democracy abroad through "iron and blood" "doesn't work", said Russia's Foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov. In his speech the diplomat slammed the West's policy towards Syria and reiterated Russia's stance on the situation in the war-torn state.
Sergey Lavrov stressed that Moscow's position towards Syria and other countries in the region is not because Russia "opposes Western influence" or "puts a stick in the spokes of Western-initiated projects out of spite", but because "advancing democracy through iron and blood just does not work".
"In most cases it produces the opposite reaction" and leads to "the strengthening of extremists and repressive forces, decreasing the chances of real democratic change," Lavrov said at a foreign policy council meeting.
"This has been made clear in recent months – the past year-and-a-half," he added.
Lavrov recalled the results of past attempts to use force by avoiding the UN Security Council, and expressed concern that some states are trying to make the "Libyan model a precedent."
"What is worrying is that at times of crises one is tempted to resort to military methods. Some of our partners find these methods suitable," Lavrov said.
"No-one knows in the end what will happen in the Middle East, including Syria," he said.
The latest statement by Lavrov echoes President Vladimir Putin's comments made back in July. Then Putin criticized the West for clinging to its influence in the Arab world under the guise of "humanitarian operations", dubbing western involvement in Arab affairs as the export of "rocket and bomb democracy."
Moscow has been repeatedly criticized for supporting Assad's regime, including weapon and money supplies, and vetoing resolutions against government regime. Russia has denied the accusations by western powers, but says it will not allow a repeat of Libyan scenario. At the same time, Moscow insists that Assad's resignation, something the West actively seeks, cannot be decided by foreign states, but only by the Syrian people.
Lavrov: 'West's policy of iron and blood doesn't work' — RT
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Spreading democracy.
USA is practically bust to finance another war of occupation like Iraq so the solution came with Libya armed all lunatics let them do the dirty work support them with your aviation and win reconstruction contracts with puppet regime installed.
So the west got the winning recipe with that giving that soldiers are no longer returning in coffins hence no public outrage.
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Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start World War III "¦ to Speed Up the Second Coming
But millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly.
According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:
In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:
"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:
"This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins""¦
There can be little doubt now that President Bush's reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam's Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.
And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:
"Tony's Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better."
Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair's mentor, says that his religion gave him a "total belief in what's right and what's wrong", leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as "a moral cause""¦
Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.
Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel – led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee – is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture. See this and this.
This all revolves around what is called Dispensationalism. So popular is Dispensationalism that Tim LaHaye's Left Behind series has sold 65 million copies.
Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches:
â– Jerry Falwell
â– Pat Robertson
â– Billy Graham
They are supported by politicians such as:
â– Newt Gingrich
â– Joseph Lieberman
â– John McCain
â– Texas Senator John Cronyn
â– Former House Minority Whip Roy Blunt
â– Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay
â– And others
Dr. Timothy Webber – an evangelical Christian who has served as a teacher of church history and the history of American religion at Denver Seminary and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Vice-President at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary in Lombard, IL, and President of Memphis Theological Seminary in Tennessee – notes:
In a recent Time/CNN poll, more than one-third of Americans said that since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, they have been thinking more about how current events might be leading to the end of the world.
While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God's Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study, over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return.
Millions of Americans believe that the Bible predicts the future and that we are living in the last days. Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible's prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. They make up about one-third of America's 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel's best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference.
Evangelical Christians Want to Start WWIII to Speed the "Second Coming" ... and Atheist Neocons are Using Religion to Rile Them Up to Justify War Against Iran
But millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly.
According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:
In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:
"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:
"This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins""¦
There can be little doubt now that President Bush's reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam's Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.
And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:
"Tony's Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better."
Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair's mentor, says that his religion gave him a "total belief in what's right and what's wrong", leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as "a moral cause""¦
Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.
Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel – led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee – is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture. See this and this.
This all revolves around what is called Dispensationalism. So popular is Dispensationalism that Tim LaHaye's Left Behind series has sold 65 million copies.
Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches:
â– Jerry Falwell
â– Pat Robertson
â– Billy Graham
They are supported by politicians such as:
â– Newt Gingrich
â– Joseph Lieberman
â– John McCain
â– Texas Senator John Cronyn
â– Former House Minority Whip Roy Blunt
â– Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay
â– And others
Dr. Timothy Webber – an evangelical Christian who has served as a teacher of church history and the history of American religion at Denver Seminary and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Vice-President at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary in Lombard, IL, and President of Memphis Theological Seminary in Tennessee – notes:
In a recent Time/CNN poll, more than one-third of Americans said that since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, they have been thinking more about how current events might be leading to the end of the world.
While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God's Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study, over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return.
Millions of Americans believe that the Bible predicts the future and that we are living in the last days. Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible's prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. They make up about one-third of America's 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel's best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference.
Evangelical Christians Want to Start WWIII to Speed the "Second Coming" ... and Atheist Neocons are Using Religion to Rile Them Up to Justify War Against Iran
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America will die a death similar to what it inflicted on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. Let us not forget that nobody in their right mind after WWI believed that Germany would would start WWII and it would end with Soviet and Allied troops marching into Berlin. Nobody in their wildest dreams thought it was possible to defeat an advanced and a strong country as Nazi Germany. But history stands in testimony to how Nazi Germany were ruthlessly defeated.
In the same way, one day, the whole world will descend upon American shores and beat them in their own house. There is still time. America should mend its ways or it would suffer a horrible death.
In the same way, one day, the whole world will descend upon American shores and beat them in their own house. There is still time. America should mend its ways or it would suffer a horrible death.
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US/British/Western position in World directly endorses terrorism
Agent Vinod, an "exact similarity" with my Experience
I found an exact similarity of my experience with a recent released Indian movie, "Agent Vinod"........ its not about Bollywood movies but, I just saw 'Agent Vinod' few months before and at the end he 'correctly' found out the main enemy who was controlling bomb blasts in India from Britain. that man made the exact same type of arguments to Vinod (Saif Ali Khan), like, "you can't understand what happens when chinese share market go up, what if something happens in different parts of world bla bla, geo-political reasons etc." this is the same type of bullshiits, the reasons, why top politicians of West are now involved in terrorism now days, I got a direct experience with that......
(like how I saw different bomb blasts in India being discussed around me in 2008 in WMA Ltd, with full misuse of Western media to trade those Bomb Blasts on the international platform. and even if we found ISI was behind that, as Kasab type IM's men were finally found Pakistanis at the end in 2008 itself, but one thing was certain that Western/British rulers were never willing to stop those dramas. and hence I got enough reasons to believe that those ISI agents were "Double Agents", working for US/British/Australian governments, who controlled/guided IM for the different attacks in India in 2008, and were given direct support from the Western governments to do so in India............)
this is the same type of philosophy with which the people like Mr T.Blair, Mr Howard, Mr Blair, Mr Bush and many other retired president and PMs of West are struggling with, mainly Mr Bill Clinton. the would be 'Cultural Wars', the sense that it's the blacks who feed whites, it's the white women who try for money by having closeness with rich immigrants, it's the rich immigrants doing white collar jobs who are superior to those local whites who work in work shop bla bla. and what may happen if this change may get established, to religious aspects/ to cultural aspects/ to national identities/ to Western identity, for the people who first proud to be a Western and then Americans, Italian, Australian, Canadian, British etc. and what if this or that?????? What may happen to West if chinese shares go up, and why few bomb blasts are required in such cases, these British and British origin politicians have all the good reasons for that. And at the end, Agent Vinod used an Al Qaeda suicide bomber to kill that British politician and took a picture of all those who were friends of that certain British man who was behind organizing bomb blasts in India.........
and many times I found western rulers, mainly British Origins of US/UK/Australia etc, have infused every strength of their country to get something done in India, on the diplomatic level/political level/full misuse of Media/ using businessmen like Bill Gates, Buffet etc..... and what I would recommend from my side, "I always try to find out why British and British origin americans/australians are sh!!ts/pigs and then I always catch them, and Indian government also has to do the same." and about the politicians/diplomats of Britain and british origin americans/australians/canadian etc, Indian government has to understand that they will have to finally kill these british politicians/diplomats, whether they may do it in front of the world or not. and even if India may not get chance to kill these british origin politicians, but Indian government always have to identify the main enemies, as these are those who even control pakistan/ use pakistan as an arm against India, regardless how many wars India-Pakistan has fought till now. India will only have to fight with British and British Origin politicians/diplomats of US/Australia/Canada etc, whether India gives space to these people to help them do their work easily in India or not. or, India would become like China and declare them national enemies....
India just has to understand that if they find snakes and British Origin politicians/diplomats then they will have to first kill that british origin politician of US/UK/Australia/Canada etc, later think for the snakes........
=> Belief Vs Ground Reality
A long time before a high ranked western official told me, "only your belief help you see the reality." she meant to say that, "only belief of ours are behind the truth we see.".......
and in other words, if you believe Mr Jesus Christ was Son of God then believe in it, similar to over 1.5bil christians of the world otherwise no one can guarantee what might have happened around 1000 years before and from my side, I find him a type of psycho who was put on the front with his claim to be "Son of God", which might be intended to challenge the Rule of that country by introducing a 'belief'. so in response, the rulers of that country hanged Mr Jesus and his followers and told him to ask your father to come down and help you. but regardless all, the 'business' of that incident on the name of Christianity is still being done......
we now find too many wars organized on the name of 'identity crisis', "political differences", "cultural war" etc but it all are intended to achieve religious goals and 'Rule' for the White/Christian/Western dominance, who are now look like prepared for even millions of deaths like in 19th/20th centuries, how different western countries fought with each others to take over other countries. as, now US/West are losing their greatness, based on publicity/military strength and the technology they got by help of professionals of the developing countries.......
and I replied to that lady, Ms Bevan, that, "when poor education level fall to a certain level, the only thing remain is, what we believe in regardless how things really work." there is no other reason to pick reality/truth on the basis of 'belief' only.....
one day i was told by few that people like me are not loyal to australia and i replied, "i may be loyal to you but not 'blindly', first because of moral ground and second, its looks like soon US/EU economies may fall and it will then bring australia under a serious military threat also as australia survive on 'security guarantee' of US/EU only and fall of US/EU will make a difference. and hence, I wont lose opportunity to go to the emerging markets in future in tough circumstances. as, the way you want me to always be loyal to australia in all the right and wrong case, the other side may also ask me the same if I will again try to back to that country????? the way i came here, if i again go somewhere else in search of better career opportunity in my profession then i would leave some space for myself to go back also, isn't it? coming to australia won't be a 'One Way Path'????????
overall, I found Western Rulers want only those Indian/Chinese who either 'Hate' their countries or may be made a complete 'toy'/'robot' by misuse to government resources...........
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Wars between Good and Bad Terrorists, to serve purpose of Western Rule'West's policy of iron and blood doesn't work'
01 December, 2012
Advancing democracy abroad through "iron and blood" "doesn't work", said Russia's Foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov. In his speech the diplomat slammed the West's policy towards Syria and reiterated Russia's stance on the situation in the war-torn state.
Sergey Lavrov stressed that Moscow's position towards Syria and other countries in the region is not because Russia "opposes Western influence" or "puts a stick in the spokes of Western-initiated projects out of spite", but because "advancing democracy through iron and blood just does not work".
"In most cases it produces the opposite reaction" and leads to "the strengthening of extremists and repressive forces, decreasing the chances of real democratic change," Lavrov said at a foreign policy council meeting.
"This has been made clear in recent months – the past year-and-a-half," he added.
Lavrov recalled the results of past attempts to use force by avoiding the UN Security Council, and expressed concern that some states are trying to make the "Libyan model a precedent."
"What is worrying is that at times of crises one is tempted to resort to military methods. Some of our partners find these methods suitable," Lavrov said.
"No-one knows in the end what will happen in the Middle East, including Syria," he said.
The latest statement by Lavrov echoes President Vladimir Putin's comments made back in July. Then Putin criticized the West for clinging to its influence in the Arab world under the guise of "humanitarian operations", dubbing western involvement in Arab affairs as the export of "rocket and bomb democracy."
Moscow has been repeatedly criticized for supporting Assad's regime, including weapon and money supplies, and vetoing resolutions against government regime. Russia has denied the accusations by western powers, but says it will not allow a repeat of Libyan scenario. At the same time, Moscow insists that Assad's resignation, something the West actively seeks, cannot be decided by foreign states, but only by the Syrian people.
Lavrov: 'West's policy of iron and blood doesn't work' — RT
US recognize two type of terrorism, one those who work for them like in Syria, and the other one like in Afghan who dont want to work for US anymore, so whether they are 'militants' or 'terrorists', the western media has made them all 'terrorists' .
and from our side, we know that US is fighting with that Taliban who isn't good to them like in 80s otherwise the same US/NATO is using even Al Qaeda in Syria? what if Taliban/Al Qaeda of Afghan will again start working for US, they will again become "Good"?
why would we be wrong if we also support Taliban if top nations like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Pakistan type NATO's allies even had diplomatic ties with Taliban till 2001 and still they have??? hence, why would India go against 'Islam' this way, while fund for Taliban in fact comes from the Arab nations???? and then again we find, rulers of SA, Qtr, UAE, Pak etc finally do what they are told from US/UK itself, like funding and arming terrorism in Syria right now??????then here, why we will be wrong if we also keep few Arab nations in pocket to use terrorist organizations against US/West, when they will exceed limits??? as, whats the guarantee that US will not do the same with its other opponents like Russia, China, India while we always have news of CIA's/MI6's involvements in anti-national activities in these 3 countries also?????
on the top of that, we do know that US recognized terrorism only after 9/11 attacks on their own people. for example of Drone Attacks on tribal areas of Afghanistan where US score at least 4-6 civilians in hunt of just 2-3 militas, on average? will they do the same with the Western Nationals? if not then what's the guarantee that they will not use their same 'mind-set'/belief against Indians also? dont we know the criminal activities of CIA/MI6 in India, with death of over 1000+ Russians in Syria to date during last 2 years? whats the guarantee that US will not proceed further from Syria, while we do know that they are hurt only when their own people are hurt??????
this is the current "world's power politics", made by US/UK/West under their White/Christian/Western belief
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Second Coming of Jesus and its 9/11 Connection:
I have been reading news online for more than 9-10 years and I find almost every newspaper of Muslim countries find CIA's hands in 9/11 attack. just go to any Muslim forum and read responses of this topic, there is a common consensus that 9/11 attack was plotted by US itself to get a good excuse/reason to attack on the Muslim nations. and from my side I may say that even if OBL plotted 9/11, its hard to believe that he was having enough supports/resources etc to do so, if CIA itself didn't help OBL. I mean, even if US may prove that its the OBL who organized 9/11, they certainly can't prove, how could he do the same without help of CIA/MI6 itself?????
at the same time, "it is the biggest lie of 21st century that OBL was killed by US's military and then they threw his body in ocean."
I mean, there is no sense to kill such a big personality if you 'only' wanted to kill him, who may give you valuable information. hence, either OBL never lived there, they always lied to world about one CIA agent, OBL, who always worked for CIA. or, OBL is still alive in a US's military base and might be telling everything of his past. there was never any reason, why US would capture OBL to kill him only, and then throw his body in ocean 
a long time before it was agreed on the political forums that Saddam never had any WMD, it was clear even since beginning also. as, if he might have WMD then US was not going to dare to attack on Iraq during Saddam rule, 'so easily'. I mean, ..... Iraq was attacked only because it didn't have WMD otherwise it was 'hard'
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