Al-Khalid MBT And Pakistani Armour

[NikSha]

Err, then India should concentrate on Brahmos first? I mean, kinda pointless charging with tanks when they won't get past border thanks to Brahmos..

 

[Rahul92]

Err, then India should concentrate on Brahmos first? I mean, kinda pointless charging with tanks when they won't get past border thanks to Brahmos..

not on bramhos we should concentrate on nag which is a anti tank missile:emot112:

 

[Rahul92]

Err, then India should concentrate on Brahmos first? I mean, kinda pointless charging with tanks when they won't get past border thanks to Brahmos..

we should concentrate on Nag which is a anti tank missile

 

[Rage]

With this economy? How?

With the 1st regiment of the Arjun already in service? And 248 on order.

With the vast majority of their T-80UD's, except for the final regiment, being of vintage quality (don't believe that shit they tell ya on wikipedia, only the final regiment had welded "T84" turret) - the first regiment infact being from a batch of 52 UD's salvaged from Ukraine army stocks built several years before; and the rest largely made from parts salvaged from other operating countries because Russia refused to supply Ukraine with critical components needed in the making of the tank? With a substandard night vision system, the TO1-KO1E- dependent on the TPN-4E image intensification sight- stabilised only in 1 axis for line-of-sight and with no IR lights mounted on the chassis (most of their tanks don't include the Burran-Catherine-E ), an outdated FCS- with no active cancellation and a Sight/Range-finder with an internal unit for gun-sight system aligning control that takes upto a minute (to check and adjust the correspondence of the central sight mark with the range-finder beam); and the 1G46 day sight- stabilized for two-axes and line-of-sight (Pakisthan has not received the 3 axes stabilization system on the T-84)?

The only tanks worth considering in the Pakistanie inventory are the Al Khalid / "MBT 2000", ~280 of which are in service with the Pakistani Army as of 2010, the ~240 serviceable T-85II AP- which is a potent system because of its 125mm smooth bore gun, despite its fixed shaft transmission; and the Al Khalid II- purported to be in the early stages of development.

They may keep their ~400 Type 69-II's, their ~400 Al Zarrar's and their ~400 T-59's "in storage", but these are lil more than rotting, hulking heaps, that will provide limited use in wartime operability.

 

[Rama]

arjun mbt +smerch mbrs +sp 155mm arti+ bmp micv +atm in nombers is enough to take care of pak

 

[Rahul92]

actually Arjun is facing problems in weight ,night vision ,lack of smoothbore gun & In earlier stage Indian Army thought if arjun fails we can replace it by T 95s but wen the T 95 is officially canceled t 95s the indian officials started ordering more & more t 90s more than 340 tanks are to be inducted by 2018(Wikipedia) Indian army is expecting T 90s to serve till 2030 but russia may offer modernising t 90s of india as they r modernising their ones

 

[Yusuf]

Rahul, you need to have a look at the Arjun thread http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/land-forces-army/9558.htm

 

[Sabir]

who cares if they claim to have larger tank force. our jawans will have more platforms to dance upon at the end....Hope Ak is strong enough to sustain the weight of 10-12 guys.....

 

[bhramos]

actually Arjun is facing problems in weight ,night vision ,lack of smoothbore gun & In earlier stage Indian Army thought if arjun fails we can replace it by T 95s but wen the T 95 is officially canceled t 95s the indian officials started ordering more & more t 90s more than 340 tanks are to be inducted by 2018(Wikipedia) Indian army is expecting T 90s to serve till 2030 but russia may offer modernising t 90s of india as they r modernising their ones

T-95 may be officially cancelled but its not a dead project, It has been trying to get the funding from foreign countries and mostly probably India is one. Arjun has some Problems, but they will be addressed in MK-II,

The final Arjun when all problem addressed will evolve like Leo 2A4

 

[pmaitra]

One of the greatest tank battles since WW2 has been the battle of Assal Uttar in 1965.

I would like to draw everyone's attention to the fact that in that war, canals were breached, causing massive flooding in the plains. Consequently, Pakistani tanks were stuck in the flooded plains and were sitting ducks for jeep mounted RCL guns of the Indian Army. This made Indian victory possible and destroyed the myth of the invincibility of the Patton Tanks.

I was wondering: What if India deployed regiment(s) of hovercraft armed with Nag missiles or RCL guns, breached the canals again, and faced the Pakistani tanks in the plains of Punjab with the hovercrafts? Be it grass, water or slush, a hovercraft will be highly agile and mobile and capable of engaging targets.

A typical hovercraft would look like this:
View attachment 1536

Pakistan outstripping India in the number of tanks, although a serious threat, can be overcome with some out-of-the-box thinking. If anybody thinks there are weaknesses or drawbacks to this idea, please fell free to comment.

N.B.: I posted this same comment at another Tank related thread.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

actually Arjun is facing problems in weight ,night vision ,lack of smoothbore gun & In earlier stage Indian Army thought if arjun fails we can replace it by T 95s but wen the T 95 is officially canceled t 95s the indian officials started ordering more & more t 90s more than 340 tanks are to be inducted by 2018(Wikipedia) Indian army is expecting T 90s to serve till 2030 but russia may offer modernising t 90s of india as they r modernising their ones

Weight:
Arjun is 60ton, it is transported by the same Tatra transport which transport all T-tanks in IA..
Also Rail carriages are available since 2006..

Night Vison:
Arjun have Thermal vision which is better than NV, though data on newer Arjun mk-1 is not available, But earlier data say it can detect enemy tanks from 6kms..

Rifled Gun:
Arjun rifled gun is superior to present T-90s gun, In terms of Chamber pressure, The rounds are AP can travel at speed of 1650m/s, the rod are made of tungsten alloy, In future IA may turn to smooth-bore coz of foreign rounds..

T-90S:
The further 1000 T-90s will be T-90M ( Just google )..


Over all India have a elite force of 100plus Arjun Mk-1, 650 t-90s with updated T-72M1s..
Defeating such force is impossible without tactical nukes..

IA rules!

 

[keshtopatel]

The photo of Arjun MBTs above and the following detailed account appears in the latest DRDO newsletter:
Comparative trials between MBT Arjun and T-90 tanks were held during 15 February to 12 March 2010, to evaluate the utilisation strategy by the Indian Army. The evaluation parameters were firepower, mobility, maintainability and medium fording. The trials were conducted in four phases.


Phase I: This was conducted at 180 Armoured Brigade, Bikaner. Acceleration, turning radius, stab performance, ergonomics, static fuel consumption, and serviceability and mean time to repair were checked for various subsystems of the tanks.

Phase II: This was conducted at Hisar, Haryana. Check was made for medium fording capability.

Phase III: This was conducted at Mahajan Ranges, Rajasthan. Bridge crossing, night driving, maximum speed on cross-country and on hard ground, tilt driving, firing of primary and secondary ammunition, firing at night with thermal imagers (TI), consistency, rate of fire, thermal signature, TI capability and firing of small arms and Air Defence (AD) Gun were compared. In this phase, approximately 100 rounds were fired and 150 km of mobility run was completed by each of the 14 MBT Arjun tanks. Phase

IV:This was conducted at Ranjitpura, Rajasthan. Mobility in the desert and tactical cruising range were evaluated by running three tanks each for additional 150 km. MBT Arjun displayed its capabilities and successfully passed all the trials.


IA has ordered 248 units, so its good......

 

[civfanatic]

There's no way in hell Pakistan can have more tanks than India, simply impossible.

Even with their T-59 and Al-Zarrar junk they only have around 2,000 MBTs, which is around how many T-72s India has (including upgraded Ajeyas).

 

[pankaj nema]

Why does pakistan start weeping and dirtying its pants when all 3 INDIAN ARMY STRIKE CORPS are mobilised.

What does a STRIKE CORPS CONTAIN ?

It contains a very large number of tanks and artillerry

India has an overwhelming conventional superiority over Pakistan

Our "only " challenge is CHINA.

 

[sob]

There were news reports that the IA was interested in Stryker. This could be a lethal compliment to the T 90/ Arjun Tank.

 

[Rahul92]

wat is stryker please upload its images & specification also

 

[charlie]

T-95 may be officially cancelled but its not a dead project, It has been trying to get the funding from foreign countries and mostly probably India is one. Arjun has some Problems, but they will be addressed in MK-II,

NO it's not funded by India or any other country but its is funded by the company who made the design itself now the company that developed the design was a big company and was making good profit

In the past i guess before 9 years it overtook the company which made the prototype of black eagle tank so officially now that company owns black eagle design too

 

[keshtopatel]

wat is stryker please upload its images & specification also

The IAV Stryker is a family of eight-wheeled, 4+4-wheel-drive, armored combat vehicles derived from the Canadian LAV III and produced by General Dynamics Land Systems, in use by the United States Army. The vehicle is named for two American servicemen who posthumously received the Medal of Honor: Pfc Stuart S. Stryker, who died in World War II and Spc4 Robert F. Stryker, who died in the Vietnam War. The Stryker is the U.S. Army's first new armored vehicle since the M2/M3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle in the 1980s.

Weight ICV: 16.47 t (18.12 sh tn)
MGS: 18.77 t (20.65 sh tn)
Length 6.95 m (22.92 ft)
Width 2.72 m (8.97 ft)
Height 2.64 m (8.72 ft)
Crew 2+9
Armor 14.5 mm resistant[1]
Primary
armament M2 .50 caliber machine gun or MK19 40 mm grenade launcher mounted in a PROTECTOR M151 Remote Weapon Station (RWS) (ICV)
Secondary
armament .50-cal M2 MG and M240 7.62 mm MG (MGS)
Engine Caterpillar C7
260 kW (350 hp)
Power/weight ICV: 15.8 kW/t (19.3 hp/sh tn)
Suspension 8×8 wheeled
Operational
range 500 km (310 mi)
Speed 100 km/h (62 mph)

 

[charlie]

well there is no need to worry about pakistani tank as they are no match for T-90 only the capable tank in pakistani army now has is T 80 and they had the old version of T80 UD and the second bactch that was sent has some real quality issues as they were bought from Ukrainian and 70% of spares were produced in russia so the indian pressured russia not to sell those parts so Ukaranian gave some of the tanks from its own arms inventory which was good quality but the next batch was designed in Ukrainian which was not up to the mark but the 3rd batch was good as they mastered the tech by then and they came up with a new tank called T 84 that was fully developed T80 with totally indigenous components

now we dont have the fully loaded version of T90 that is an issue, T90 is one of the best tank in the world as it has the shtora system and a active protection like arena which is an upgraded version of "Trost" which was developed in 1980's which the Israel are working on a similar system called Trophy after 30 years

YouTube - Tank Protection Systems. T-90 (English sub)

so sonner or later India is going to have an active protection system for tank protection but the deal is not go through as the russian were not willing to transfer the tech of shtora or arena, so there were roumers that it is going for a Israel system called Trophy but Indian Army sent request for proposals to Rafael, BAE Systems, Raytheon, Rosoboronexport, Saab, and Germany's IBD Deisenroth Engineering for an active protection system in April 2008

http://www.indian-military.org/army/armour/main-battle-tanks/641-t-90s-main-battle-tank.html

 

[charlie]

There were news reports that the IA was interested in Stryker. This could be a lethal compliment to the T 90/ Arjun Tank.

lol you got to be kidding right striker is an APC like BTR-80 orBTR-90 how can it take place of a tank