Ahead of Modi’s visit, China says ‘huge dispute’ over Arunachal

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    To be clear, there is no dispute. It is Indian territory.

    The dispute that is huge is Aksai Chin and the rape of Tibet.

    In fact, India finds the fact that Chinese leaders visiting Tibet as totally unacceptable or suppressing the free Tibetan people of Tibet, or lecturing them and educating monks to be 'patriotic'.

    However, China thinks they are the sole country in the world and the World is a part of China.

    Who can stop delusions of the Chinese people?

    Let them bark.
     
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    Keep in mind China is in the best possible spot it is ever going to be. It's economy has arrived, it was the size of India's is today as recently as 2006. But now India is going to start playing catch up and China is going to start slowing down, the demographics of the 1 child policy are around the horizon, the India alliance with the USA, Japan is just starting to take off. So you can't expect China not to try and pull something, their planners are also aware of all these facts. They will never have such a large relative advantage over India again.

    India's best course of action is to play things calm, maintain the status quo and just wait them out. Lets re-discuss the issue when our economy is much much larger and their population has rapidly aged.
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    they are using scare tactics as they cant take it by force otherwise they would have tried as they
    did in sumdorongchu

    we have to improve our defense manufacture and deploy better in aggressive positions at the right time

    timing is crucial as you have noted .

    we can also start fomenting the south east asian countries over the china menace
    India is allowing that opportunity to idle for the time being ....it should be taken up
    at the right time

    modi should delay his visit, at the last moment ....give a signal
     
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    Well, to be clear, Arunachal is disputed as much as Aksai Chin.

    Obviously, India diplomatic department doesn't agree with you.

    Since India can't stop barking either, why blame Chinese.
     
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    India has been saying that since 2000. Oppose to what you wish, the gap is becoming bigger and bigger.

    What alliance? Nobody wants to bear any obligation to others.
    You are not going to be USA's alliance. Indians know it, Chinese know it and Americans know it as well.

    Today, Chinese economy is about 3-4 times larger than India, is India scared that China may try to take the territory by force? NO!
    How larger Indian economy should be before India reach the time of taking territory back?
     
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    I know you have some nationalistic dogma you wish to get out but facts are important too.

    1) No India hasn't been saying it since 2000, because China wasn't anything much in 2000
    2) Your demographic time bomb wasn't approaching around the horizon then
    3) No the gap isn't increasing China's growth rate is SMALLER than India's.
    4) China's economy has been consistently slowing down year after year
    5) India's economy has been speeding up
    6) China's economy isn't 3-4 times bigger than India's. India does internal trade a lot, your whole economy is export driven because you artificially suppressed an entire generation and now they can't support a consumer base. Because you export a lot, your currency exchange rate in higher. PPP which gives the actual worth of an economy is $17.6T China, $7.3T India. As India's economy continues to develop the exchange rate will swing in a way that makes the Rupee stronger.
    7) China with the exception of Russia is pretty much internationally isolated by every nation that matters. Certainly has no meaningful friends except for a few state sponsors of terror. India is pretty much friends with everyone powerful.
    8) China has taken every short cut to fast track their economy. Much like someone claiming to be rich because they have fancy things and goes out and makes a lot of purchases on his credit card. China's political system is inherently unstable, any issues with it and it could be as bad as a total collapse of the nation. China still has to adjust for the fact that it is getting very old and actually LOSING workers. Growth? China will be lucky to not see its economy contract in the coming years.
    9) Take land back? India is happy with the status quo, we don't make wild claims, or send our troops across the line of control. It's your nation that is known for you know, invading others.

    The truth is even if China is bigger and richer than India in the future, they have way way more opponents to deal with than India. We've got ummm Pakistan and China. You've got India, USA, Japan, Philippines, South Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia etc...

    I don't understand with so much going against you guys, the Chinese feel the consistent need to act so condescending and arrogant. You're the underdog, the straw man that helps the rest of the world have something to unite against. Much like the USSR before you, and you're likely to end up with the same fate.
     
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  8. Ray

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    If Arunachal is disputed, then Tibet, Greater Tibet, Xinjiang, Sichuan, Inner Mongolia and NE China are all disputed.


    Not quite.

    India is clear that it is an AUTONOMOUS Region of China.

    Since Tibet is NOT Autonomous, it is not a part of China.



    Indians don't bark.

    China does since they are fond of dog meat and they also squeal since pork is their staple.
     
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    Can India and China Be Friends?
    Perhaps, if they begin to focus on the economics rather than the geopolitics.


    Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is scheduled to visit China in May in what will be a significant foreign policy event for New Delhi. Modi will be seeking a solution to the nagging boundary dispute between the two countries and geopolitics should dominate the prime minister’s itinerary. Tensions have long clouded relations between the two Asian powerhouses, but they need not dominate Modi’s visit. If India and China want to find a way to collaborate, the answer may well lie in economics.

    Over the last few decades, relations between Beijing and New Delhi have run hot and cold. Border disputes have held them back, but the two countries have often managed to find common ground on economic issues. While China’s Maritime Silk Road has made news in India for all the wrong reasons, New Delhi itself has yet to explicitly and officially oppose the concept. In fact, many of China’s grand economic initiatives have come in collaboration with India. Both are founding members of the proposed Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, for example, and both established the BRICS Development Bank last year. While India has often clashed with the United States in the World Trade Organization, India and China frequently find each other on the same side in the WTO, asking for the same things, from the right to export steel to America without discrimination, to allowing developing countries to maintain a larger food stockpile. Even on climate change, India and China hold fort together, asking the industrialized world to allow them greater leeway and calling for the easy transfer of green technology.

    This collaboration is quite natural. Whatever their disagreements on power politics, Beijing and New Delhi together represent nearly one-third of mankind, and share several similar economic problems. To many in the developing world, regardless of their political leanings, India and China represent the economic rights of poorer, emerging economies on the world stage, thereby making Beijing and New Delhi the natural leaders of the developing world.

    Yet, this economic cooperation and team spirit is more likely to be evident in multilateral forums than in bilateral ties. Despite being the largest economy on China’s periphery (in PPP terms), India is not even rank among China’s ten largest trade partners. Worse, trade has been falling. In 2011-12, bilateral trade between India and China stood at $73 billion. Two years later, it was less than $66 billion. New Delhi has been worried about the rising trade deficit between the two countries, and so has been trying to prune imports while boosting exports, although slowing growth in China is partly responsible for the decline. Given the size of the two economies, trade is far below its potential.

    There are challenges, however, to economic partnership. Many Indian are still deeply suspicious of the Chinese, given the ever-present border disputes and the shadow of the war of 1962. Even back then, India and China shared close ties as representatives of the developing world. India and China had established the Non-Aligned Movement only a decade prior to that war, in order to give the developing world an independent voice during the Cold War. Yet the inability of Prime Ministers Jawaharlal Nehru and Zhou En-lai to resolve the border dispute and political disagreements over Tibet precipitated a military conflict in the Himalayas.

    These political challenges are only more complex today. Half a century later, the border disputes remain unresolved. While President Xi Jinping was on a visit to India last year, the Indian military accused Chinese soldiers of infiltrating the disputed territory. Further complications are brought about by each other’s neighborhoods. While New Delhi is suspicious of Beijing’s engagements with its South Asian neighbors, Beijing is apprehensive about India’s increasingly close ties with its own neighbors in the Far East. Smaller nations in South Asia, for their part, seek to play China against India, just as China’s neighbors in the Far East want India to counterbalance the Chinese. Yet, for all the power clashes, nations in both South Asia and the Far East seem to wish to see India and China speak and act together on economic initiatives such as the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and the Maritime Silk Road.

    The challenge for India and China is to separate the geopolitics from the economics. If Beijing and New Delhi can do that, and cooperate more closely on their economic ambitions, it will likely bring benefits, not just for two of the world’s most populous nations, but also for their smaller neighbors.

    Mohamed Zeeshan is a student of engineering at VIT University, India and a commentator on issues of Indian and international governance.

    Can India and China Be Friends? | The Diplomat
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    Certainly, you can argue that. But again, your own government doesn't agree with you.

    Please let me know that your government makes the protest.



    Sure, Indians don't bark, just cry.
     
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    The fact is China is bigger and richer than Indian NOW.

    They are competitors, not enemy: none of this list wants China dead.


    Funny thing is we think that Indians have the same problem. The difference is nobody take you seriously since you get nothing to back up.
     
  12. Ray

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    Good to know that you understand my Govt better than us.



    Here is your answer from China:

    Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
    Sun Tzu


    You are right.

    Cry of Joy that there are witless people around who are consumed by their fallacious squeals and fond delusion.
     

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