AH-1Z Viper, 1000 Hellfire Missiles approved for sale to Pakistan

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They are planning to get Cobra from US, WS-10 from China, MI-35 from Russia all import ..

Recipe for Logistic nightmare with spares and ammunition ..

Even the combine force is no where countering Indian thrust if it put in practice ..

Better stick to nukes .. :rolleyes:



AH-1Z Helicopters are a good buy, however as kunal as already mentioned 15 Vipers cannot cover the whole terrain therefore cannot make any difference.

Besides, PAK seems also planning to buy WS-10 helis from China.
 

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HELLFIRE MISSILES IN A HELLISH REGION


by Lal Khan

The one billion dollar arms sale to Pakistan recently approved and announced by US officials failed to stir the Pakistani masses from their deep indifference and inertia. The media also failed to whip up much jingoistic fervour. However, in a country with mounting debt, a crumbling economy and an impoverished populace, plunging ever deeper into the abyss of deprivation and exploitation, very few have wondered whether this arms sale could resolve any of their agonies. The war on terror is going nowhere, with periodic and irregularly regular vicious suicide bombings and explosions. How far this exorbitantly expensive procurement of armaments will help tilt the balance in this war of attrition is doubtful to say the least.

The proposed sale will include 15 AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters, 1,000 AGM-114R Hellfire II Missiles and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $ 952 million. The package also includes 32 T-700 GE 401C engines (30 installed and 2 spares), 36 H-1 technical refresh mission computers, 32 helmet mounted display/optimised top owls, 17 AN/AAR-47 missile warning systems and system integration and testing. The principal profiteers will be Bell Helicopter, Textron in Fort Worth, Texas, General Electric in Lynn, Massachusetts, the Boeing Company in Huntsville, Alabama and Lockheed Martin in Bethesda, Maryland.

This is a country whose military has not fought a major foreign war since 1971 and which is being pulverised by domestic terrorism, violent crime, extortion, corruption, terrorist acts and kidnappings/ransom but has allocated seven billion dollars to the military, whereas the police and internal security departments received a meagre $ 800 million. In the next few weeks, Pakistan will buy Chinese submarines costing anything between five and seven billion dollars. With a callous ruling elite, state expenditures on health and education are amongst the lowest in the world. However, the arms race for conventional weapons between the two neighbouring nuclear-armed adversaries goes on ferociously.

Across the Radcliffe Line, it is well known that India plans to spend approximately $ 100 billion over the next 10 years on defence modernisation. India has increased its defence spending by 10.95 percent; in other words, it has increased from Rs 222,370 billion to Rs 246,727 billion. According to the Indian Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), India cleared a bulk of weaponry projects worth $ 13 billion in a bid to boost the country's national defence preparedness. The DAC decided that six submarines would be made indigenously at a cost of about Rs 500,000 billion. It also decided to purchase 8,356 Israeli anti-tank guided missiles at a cost of Rs 32,000 billion and finalised the purchase of 12 upgraded Dornier Surveillance Aircraft with improved sensors from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited at a cost of Rs 18,500 billion and 362 infantry fighting vehicles at a cost of Rs 6,620 billion. This outrageous spending is in a country where 863 million people live in poverty, cut out of the economic cycle. The expenditures on the nuclear arsenals in India and Pakistan are probably the most fiercely guarded secret by the state.

As hundreds of millions of people across the globe go hungry, nuclear-armed nations spend close to $ 300 million a day on their nuclear forces. The production, maintenance and modernisation of nuclear forces divert vast public resources away from healthcare, education, climate change mitigation, disaster relief, development assistance and other vital services. According to Global Zero, annual expenditure on nuclear weapons globally is conservatively estimated at $ 105 billion or $ 12 million an hour. In 2010, India spent $ 4.9 billion, Israel $ 1.9 billion and Pakistan $ 2.2 billion just on maintenance and further advances of these weapons of mass destruction. The World Bank forecast that even if half of the known amounts had been spent on poverty alleviation in the last five years, poverty could have been all but eliminated. The South Asian subcontinent has 22 percent of the world's population while it hosts 46 percent of its poverty.

Nuclear weapons expenditure on a world scale in 2010 was more than twice the official development assistance provided to Africa and equal to the gross domestic product of Bangladesh, a nation of some 160 million people. The Office for Disarmament Affairs — the principal UN body responsible for advancing a nuclear weapon-free world — has an annual budget of $ 10 million, which is less than the amount spent on nuclear weapons every hour. A UN report said, "The world is over-armed and peace is under-funded. The end of the cold war led the world to expect a massive peace dividend yet there are over 20,000 nuclear weapons around the world. Many of them are still on hair-trigger alert, threatening our own survival."

The ruling cliques in India and Pakistan cannot afford a full-fledged war, nor can they sustain a durable and genuine peace. This explains a treacherous cycle of state of war and peace talks over the last three decades. They are constantly talking about poverty alleviation, yet their cruel spending spree for mutual destruction exacerbates infinitely. It is not an accident that these poorest of countries are amongst the top 10 purchasers of arms. Their ruling classes are some of the richest in the world. The same is the case for Russia, China, the US and Europe as the main exporters of destructive weapons to India and Pakistan. On the one hand, they can ill afford a military confrontation as this would create a conflagration and put an end to their massive investments and profits. On the other hand, brokering a durable peace in the region would spell the death knell for their military industrial complexes. From the US Congress to the Politbureau of the Chinese Communist Party, the corporate bosses of the arms manufacturing industry are the ones who really call the shots. Hence, all policies, domestic and foreign, are devised in accordance with the vested interests of these capitalist barons of the war industry.

Kashmir, Sir Creek and Siachen will never be resolved under this parasitic system of profits and dehumanisation. To accentuate religious fundamentalism, both the Indian and Pakistani ruling elites ascribe bigoted religious titles to their missiles produced and tested frequently. Yet there is little possibility of nuclear weapons or even destructive conventional weapons ever being used. However, the imperialists and the local comprador bourgeoisie are grossing billons in this arms race. These exhibitions are designed to whip up national chauvinism and religious hatred to crush the class struggle and mass revolts against exploitation and misery imposed by this coercive system.

There cannot be any peace or stability when one and a half billion people are tormented with harrowing repression and excruciating poverty. The continuation of the capitalist system is akin to a living Armageddon for the beleaguered masses of this potential paradise on earth. Only the socialist revolution led by the workers and youth can put an end to this madness of capitalism and armaments that is leeching the blood of the toilers of this historic land.

The writer is the editor of Asian Marxist Review and international secretary of Pakistan Trade Union Defence Campaign. He can be reached at [email protected]

Hellfire missiles in a hellish region
 

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PAA has a very small fleet of Gunships consist of mainly outdated Cobars and more 15 more won`t make any significant difference ..

Nothing to be concerned off ..
We have 54+ AH's. And over a dozen Fennecs!

These are just the first batch of Vipers .

Apart from them 3 WZ-10s have already landed here .. Meanwhile 4 MI-35E will be recieved next year..
 

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We have 54+ AH's. And over a dozen Fennecs!

These are just the first batch of Vipers .

Apart from them 3 WZ-10s have already landed here .. Meanwhile 4 MI-35E will be recieved next year..
If true then Pakistan will probably be the only country to have 3 different attack choppers with minimal numbers. It will be a logistical nightmare but let's see what the future holds.
 

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They are planning to get Cobra from US, WS-10 from China, MI-35 from Russia all import ..

Recipe for Logistic nightmare with spares and ammunition ..

Even the combine force is no where countering Indian thrust if it put in practice ..

Better stick to nukes .. :rolleyes:
If true then Pakistan will probably be the only country to have 3 different attack choppers with minimal numbers. It will be a logistical nightmare but let's see what the future holds.
Kunal and blueblood even we are acquiring attack helis from US and Russia .
We have Rudra Ready and LCH (No Body knows when).
We are also dependent on Imports for a large variety of spare parts.
Even Rudra and LCH are not 100% Desi but all major parts are desi.

The only difference is in the numbers being ordered.

Atleast they are getting choppers whereas we are stuck either its LUH or LCH.

Russia is building LUH in India lets see when .
 

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Kunal and blueblood even we are acquiring attack helis from US and Russia .
We have Rudra Ready and LCH (No Body knows when).
We are also dependent on Imports for a large variety of spare parts.
Even Rudra and LCH are not 100% Desi but all major parts are desi.

The only difference is in the numbers being ordered.

Atleast they are getting choppers whereas we are stuck either its LUH or LCH.

Russia is building LUH in India lets see when .
AH-64 - Most likely anti armour ops wrt to Strike Corps.

LCH - All kinds of ops with specialization in high altitude anti infantry ops.

Rudra - Armed but not an attack chopper. Stop gap till LCH. Common logistics with LCH.
 

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AH-64 - Most likely anti armour ops wrt to Strike Corps.

LCH - All kinds of ops with specialization in high altitude anti infantry ops.

Rudra - Armed but not an attack chopper. Stop gap till LCH. Common logistics with LCH.
I am aware of this.
I was not able to get the point you and Kunal raised in respect to multiple platforms being operated....

for me the categorization is mainly Utility and combat .
so we have a wide variety of helis just like our airforce too many different type of a/c.
 

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I am aware of this.
I was not able to get the point you and Kunal raised in respect to multiple platforms being operated....

for me the categorization is mainly Utility and combat .
so we have a wide variety of helis just like our airforce too many different type of a/c.
Three different kind for the same job VS different jobs. Big difference.

Standardizing is good for smaller countries with relatively smaller budgets. You can't have the world's fourth largest military and have standardized equipment all across the board, at least in this generation.

But in case of Pak, it is all but broke. Operating this kind of diverse inventory with its messed up economy will kill it's hopes for any kind of sustained war even with Afghanistan.

PS: Shakti engine is license produced by HAL.
 

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They are planning to get Cobra from US, WS-10 from China, MI-35 from Russia all import ..

Recipe for Logistic nightmare with spares and ammunition ..

Even the combine force is no where countering Indian thrust if it put in practice ..

Better stick to nukes .. :rolleyes:
It will be better if these toys are if acquired, destroyed on ground.
 

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Buying and maintain them are two different things ..

To keep a high sorties one has to invest double on spares, In case of Pakistan, This is a nightmare for so many variety of gunship in such low quantity ..

It will be magic if they all preform at the same time with sorties which will make difference, That is why they will be destroyed by themselves in hangers ..

It will be better if these toys are if acquired, destroyed on ground.
 

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Buying and maintain them are two different things ..

To keep a high sorties one has to invest double on spares, In case of Pakistan, This is a nightmare for so many variety of gunship in such low quantity ..

It will be magic if they all preform at the same time with sorties which will make difference, That is why they will be destroyed by themselves in hangers ..
Why do you think PAK will only procure 3 Z-10s? Or even 4 MI-30E's?


MI's are said to be for ANF and not the military.. And according to various source (25? in total number - no official confirmation though). Anyways again maintaince is not a very big issue .. Thank to commonality in parts with MI series transport helis.. Apart from that we have already developed a over hauling and maintaince factory for the MI helis (with russian help offcourse.



As for W-10s.. If going to be our workhorse ... And we have the option to produce them in house (they 3 elevation units were assembled in Pak).

Fennecs aren't a problem coz Pak is apready using the unarmed versions in numbers.


AH-1s will finally be phased out and Vipers are replacing them۔
 
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I am not sure what MI30 is, As for W10 may be your country workhorse, But its a little far stretched imagination as of now, Till then your country procurement policy will only make sure these hanger queens stay mostly in hangers ..
 

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Baki will go broke with dept .

We need to increase our defense budget to 3-4 % of GDP
 

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I am not sure what MI30 is, As for W10 may be your country workhorse, But its a little far stretched imagination as of now, Till then your country procurement policy will only make sure these hanger queens stay mostly in hangers ..

MI-35 and MI-28 deal put on hold.. Z-10s being utilised in WOT...

I guess they are probably still evaluating them in real combat ..
 

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MI-35 are fro ANF, not Army Aviation, for the latter, Z-10 and AH-1Z will take the burden. Z-10 orders may go as high as 30 if one source is to be believed, As of now, trials are being conducted with and without weapon loads. Instead of Viper, it is the Z-10 that will replace all old AH-1 (S, F) versions.
 

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DoD awards Pakistan AH-1Z contract

The US Department of Defense (DoD) has awarded Bell Helicopter a USD581 million contract that includes the delivery of AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters to Pakistan.



Pakistan has requested the sale of 15 AH-1Z attack helicopters. The DoD has awarded a contract for what appears to be the first two such helicopters. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen

The contract, which was announced by the DoD on 26 August but awarded the day before, covers the manufacture and delivery of 15 Lot 12 UH-1Y Venom utility helicopters, 19 Lot 12 AH-1Zs, one Lot 13 UH-1Y, and 21 auxiliary fuel kits for the US Marine Corps (USMC) and government of Pakistan.

Pakistan requested the sale of 15 AH-1Z helicopters in April, and this announcement is the first official confirmation that a deal has been signed. While the notification does not say how many of the 15 helicopters have been signed for at this stage, it states that 10% (USD57.9 million) of the overall contract value covers the sale to the government of Pakistan. This suggests that this is an initial deal for the first two helicopters only, with contracts for the remaining 13 (plus spares and support) to follow.

According to the DoD, these initial helicopters will be delivered by the end of August 2018. The original US Defense Security Co-operation Agency notification of Pakistan's request included 1,000 AGM-114 Hellfire II air-to-surface missiles for "a precision-strike, enhanced-survivability aircraft that can operate at high altitudes. By acquiring this [AH-1Z and Hellfire II] capability, Pakistan will enhance its ability to conduct operations in North Waziristan Agency [NWA], the Federally Administered Tribal Areas [FATAs], and other remote and mountainous areas in all-weather, day and night environments".

The contract notification is the latest development in Pakistan's ongoing efforts to bolster its rotary-winged attack capabilities. As well as procuring the 15 AH-1Zs to bolster and eventually replace its existing 32 AH-1F Cobra platforms, Pakistan has also evaluated the Chinese CHAIG WZ-10 attack helicopters, which has included flying them operationally on counter-terrorism missions, and is rumoured to be interested in the Russian-built Mil Mi-28NE 'Havoc' as well. On 19 August it was announced that Pakistan and Russia had signed a formal agreement for the procurement of four Mi-35 'Hind' attack helicopters, with more likely to follow.

http://www.janes.com/article/53825/d...ah-1z-contract
 

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DoD awards Pakistan AH-1Z contract

The US Department of Defense (DoD) has awarded Bell Helicopter a USD581 million contract that includes the delivery of AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters to Pakistan.



Pakistan has requested the sale of 15 AH-1Z attack helicopters. The DoD has awarded a contract for what appears to be the first two such helicopters. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen

The contract, which was announced by the DoD on 26 August but awarded the day before, covers the manufacture and delivery of 15 Lot 12 UH-1Y Venom utility helicopters, 19 Lot 12 AH-1Zs, one Lot 13 UH-1Y, and 21 auxiliary fuel kits for the US Marine Corps (USMC) and government of Pakistan.

Pakistan requested the sale of 15 AH-1Z helicopters in April, and this announcement is the first official confirmation that a deal has been signed. While the notification does not say how many of the 15 helicopters have been signed for at this stage, it states that 10% (USD57.9 million) of the overall contract value covers the sale to the government of Pakistan. This suggests that this is an initial deal for the first two helicopters only, with contracts for the remaining 13 (plus spares and support) to follow.

According to the DoD, these initial helicopters will be delivered by the end of August 2018. The original US Defense Security Co-operation Agency notification of Pakistan's request included 1,000 AGM-114 Hellfire II air-to-surface missiles for "a precision-strike, enhanced-survivability aircraft that can operate at high altitudes. By acquiring this [AH-1Z and Hellfire II] capability, Pakistan will enhance its ability to conduct operations in North Waziristan Agency [NWA], the Federally Administered Tribal Areas [FATAs], and other remote and mountainous areas in all-weather, day and night environments".

The contract notification is the latest development in Pakistan's ongoing efforts to bolster its rotary-winged attack capabilities. As well as procuring the 15 AH-1Zs to bolster and eventually replace its existing 32 AH-1F Cobra platforms, Pakistan has also evaluated the Chinese CHAIG WZ-10 attack helicopters, which has included flying them operationally on counter-terrorism missions, and is rumoured to be interested in the Russian-built Mil Mi-28NE 'Havoc' as well. On 19 August it was announced that Pakistan and Russia had signed a formal agreement for the procurement of four Mi-35 'Hind' attack helicopters, with more likely to follow.

http://www.janes.com/article/53825/d...ah-1z-contract

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