Afghans future air fighters ???

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    Afghans future air fighters ???
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    In the recent weapon test campaign AT-6 completed firing of 2.75” unguided rockets, conducted captive carry test with guided 2.75" rockets and dropped general purpose bombs, four GBU-12, and four GBU-58 laser guided bombs (LGB - above), all LGBs scored direct hits. Additional tests are planned with other weapon types including Raytheon Griffin 35-lb. GPS/laser-guided bomb and Hellfire guided missile from Lockheed martin.


    Under the U.S. Air National Guard evaluation of a future Light Attack and Armed Reconnaissance (LAAR) to be operated by the U.S. and Afghan air forces, the Air Force is seeking a low cost, light fighter capable of flying at altitudes up to 30,000 ft. above sea level, with a range up to 900 nautical miles, and mission endurance of six hours.

    LAAR is positioned as an affordable, advanced training, light attack and armed reconnaissance aircraft that could meet the U.S. government plans to equip under-developed governments with effective aerial recce and attack capabilities necessary for combatting insurgency and drug trafficking. While providing effective, precision attack and real-time recce, the aircraft should affordable to own and operate and be able to operate from austere fields. Deliveries of such aircraft would often be considered as ‘training aircraft’, while combat operations could be flown by local trainees or,when necessary, by their foreign ‘trainers’, assisting government counter-insurgency operations.



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    The Super T's advanced avionics & guided munitions capabilities include an all-glass cockpit, certified to withstand bird strikes, with design and technology similar to fourth-generation fighters.




    As part of these evaluations the Brazilian Embraer A-29 Super Tucano and Hawker Beechcraft Defense Company (HBDC) AT-6 are undergoing weapon qualification and operational evaluation Currently undergoing operational assessment by the Air National Guard/Air Force Reserve Test Center (AATC), toward a final selection next month. Embraer has prepared its position in the U.S. by teaming with the California based Sierra Nevada company and establishing a production and support facility for its aircraft in Florida.



    Evaluations currently underway focus on weapon qualification; while the A-29 team has maintained radio silence since June, HBDC provides regular updates about the program progress. In recent months the AT-6 completed firing of 2.75” unguided rockets and carried out precision guided weapons test campaign dropping eight laser guided bombs (LGB). During the two week deployment, the AT-6  typically  flew three sorties per day employing approximately 60 BDU-33, BDU-50, GBU-12, and GBU-58 general purpose and precision munitions. All eight LGBs scored direct hits.

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    Two Griffin missiles attached to the AT-6 underwing pylon. The aircraft is scheduled to test fly with the griffins in the coming weeks


    Additional tests are planned with other weapon types including Raytheon Paveway II bombs, captive carry of different types of 2.75” guided rockets, the Griffin 35-lb. GPS/laser-guided bomb. In follow-up testing the aircraft will fire laser-guided rockets, and Lockheed-Martin’s AGM-114 Hellfire missiles
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    The aircraft also performed air-to-air gunnery, employing .5 Cal machine-guns, assisted by integrated lead computing  gun  sight. This capability could be of value for the Air Sovereignty Alert (ASA), which the U.S. Air National Guard performs defending U.S. airspace. Similar mission, currently flown by F-16s, could be performed by gun and missile-armed AT-6s. Hawker Beechcraft is offering the National Guard a version of AT-6 equipped with a glass cockpit based on the A-10C modernized Warthog. To further demonstrate this role the AT-6 will conduct a live-fire tests with the AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missile in 2012..

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    Raytheon Company is seeking to integrate its 12 pound Small Tactical Munition (STM) onto a wide variety of light-attack aircraft. Two of these 22 inch long missiles are stacked in a canister carried by manned or unmanned aircraft. STM is the smallest air-launched weapon in Raytheon’s portfolio. According to Bob Francois, vice president of Advanced Missiles and Unmanned Systems for Raytheon Missile Systems, the small size of this new missile enables the warfighter to carry dozens of STMs on a multitude of light attack aircraft. “Instead of using an expensive system to destroy a target such as a lightly armored vehicle, the warfighter could use an STM, which costs roughly the same as a pickup truck and reduces collateral damage.” The STM weapon uses foldable fins and wings, it incorporates a purpose-built warhead designed by Nammo-Talley and features a Kaman Aerospace electronic safe arm and fire device. The weapon is employed from the U.S. military’s common launch tube.

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    The outfit the AT-6 is offered includes the Pratt and Whitney Canada PTA-68D turboprop engine, CMC Esterline’s mission modified Cockpit 4000, Lockheed Martin’s A-10C-based mission system and L-3 WESCAM’s MX-15Di day/night-capable sensor pod. The aircraft is also equipped with an ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management System, advanced ARC-210 radios with secure voice/data and SATCOM capabilities, a variety of air and ground datalinks and the weapons capability required to excel in meeting irregular warfare mission requirement. Phopto: Hawker Beechcraft</div><div>

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    we have a nice thread run by Kunal on prop fighters titled fighers for cheap.
    The only way the Afghans can use this is CAS. They will be no match for any Pak attack. India can find a market for its LCA in Astan. may be "gift" a squad of these. Serves twin purpose. it will be tested in battle as Afghans conduct operations against the Taliban which will provide valuable information to us and second, gets Astan further close to India.
     
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    Let us first suffice our own need first and not dream much into exports of LCA as of yet. Remember the latest newz coming out of LCA, its been delayed one full year. So let us Indians have first hand experience of our own products then it would be feasible to think on that lines.
     
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    When and if we give it to astan, it will end in the hands of Pukestan. The only question would be when ?

    And let's see if we can 1st gift it o the IAF
     
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    you dont understand. giving them LCAs is in our interest. They are in the combat zone. We can augment production. The LCA hardly has any orders from IAF. HAL will be able to make 20 fighters for Astan easy.
     
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    It will be better if Afghanistan gives us a Airbase where we can deploy a squadron of MKI. We might indulge in unnecessary things, but it would be good for us in long run in case of war with Pak.
     
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    That will means logistics, pilots, SAMs the whole hog. Too expensive and quite frankly not in our capability yet.

    Better to sell.
     
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    I think IAF should send Volunteers and missionaries, to help and train the Afghan pilots, even may be sent some on deputation like things in Afghan air force... like PAF used to sent their pilots to Egypt and Syria or other Middle East........
     
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    Saar we have pilot shortage ourselves. We are not going to be mercenaries for them. We are not Pakistan.
     
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    Why you do not think about engine, radar and weapons coming from other countries ? We alone dont make these decision, US will surely push their fighters instead of giving us more engines to sell.

    LCA is costly for a 3++ generation fighter.
     
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    Yes, It would be expensive. But after 3-4 years, I suppose we can manage 1-2 such airbases. Advantage is huge. We can attack Pakistan from 3 side (West,East and Arabian sea) in war like scenario. IMO, The expenses are worth as 1 such base will be worth 3 bases as Pakistan air force will be divided which is currently concentrated on 100 km away from Indo-Pak border.

    Yes, we can do that. We have initiated some foundation to do such things.
     
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    Who said they have to pay. We "gift" them. The US has already declined any F-16s. What will the US sell to Astan? Strategic Agreement with Astan has US blessings. I dont think the US will mind.

    Nitesh has to see your 3++ thing about the LCA :D
     
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    Let me tell you, its not happening. It will be a major escalation for us and i dont think we are up for it. At best we can and should have some boots on the ground with choppers. I think maintaining an air base is out of the question. We dont have enough fighters on our side. Let alone that side.
     
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    For US business comes first, so they will be hard to convince to sell us engines, not impossible but hard. If they have enough money to buy LCA they may as well go for Gripen, which is superior to LCA.

    Yes i am little scared about that :D
     
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    I am a salesman of India not Sweden..

    And again, i am talking about gifting afghans 20 birds.. why will they pay for gripen? US is not going to give them anything for free.
    For us it serves the purpose of seeing the LCA in action conducting ops against the Talibunnies and gives us valuable input from combat zone.
     
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    For free ? I don't think so, did u consider what reaction govt will receive from opposition for throwing away this much amount of money ?

    Yes its in our interest but surely we wont do such a thing.

    We could sell two or three squadrons of LCH, since its cheaper than other attack choppers they might buy it.
     
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    we have been providing "aid".. what the harm in giving them birds for free. serves a lot of purpose. we armed them throughout the Taliban days. We didnt make any money from that. We had to do what we had to do.
     
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    Aid for development so it has not attracted much attention. Just announce about giving LCA or any military assistance then you will see the real reaction.
     
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    Reaction from whom? US is on our side as far as this goes. The US with its economy going down will not mind India stepping in.

    Pakistanis can scream themselves hoarse and we dont care.
     
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    Reaction from parties inside India.
     

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